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« Thread Started on Feb 22, 2009, 1:02pm »

"h.Tarnawa - Krzyz i w dole pol-ksiezyc. Znak frankistow ,ktorzy
przyjeli chrzescijanstwo we Lwowie w XVlll wieku.Ich przywodca
rabi Frank przyjal najpierw religie muzulmanska.Z tad nazwa tej
grupy - "farbowane lisy".5oo rodzin tej nowej szlachty polskiej
zasililo kasy biednej szlachty polskiej wchodzac z nimi w
zwiazki malzenskie.Od tego czasu pozostala nazwa
"arystokratyczne nosy".Miasto Tarnawa lezy w obecnym
Pakistanie.Zaczynaly tu swoja podroz karawany
kupcow:Turkow,Arabow,Azerow,Chinczykow no i oczywiscie Zydow
aszkenazyjskich z przyprawami,dywanami,porcelana itd.Najnowsze
badania genetyczne stwiedrdzaja,ze Polacy maja najwiecej genow
semickich wsrod mieszkancow Europy.Ponad 75% .Jest to zwiazane z krzyzowaniem sie drog handlowych na terenie obecnej Polski."

This (above stated) is text from one of forums in Poland (Kolo Nalecz).

Indeed my extensive Y-DNA tests confirmed origin in western
Ukraine-Galitzia, among Ashkenazi Jews.

But, my family was catholic in 19th century (the far back as we
completely certainly know, in the beginning of 20th century
nobody recalled Judaism, so we wasn't sure when and how
conversion occured), with tradition to be aristocratic (and how
we entered into noble rank).

"List of Nobility of Bila Tzerkva, published in Ukraine in 2001,
indeed showed Krupa szlachta in village Bosivka near Bila
Tzerkva, again near Lvow.
Again,one of my exact 12/12 marker Y-DNA matches is from Bila
Tzerkva, with most distant known male ancestor from that place
in early 1800's!

My haplogroup test showed Q1b result which is very rare
haplogroup, but found only elsewhere on moderate level in north
Pakistan (and Ashkenazi Jews), which is again something very
misterious, as Tarnawa City is over there!)

Does anybody perhaps posses a list of converts who was adopted into rank of Szlachta in mid-18th century in Lvow or surrounding
churches?

Thank You in advance for your support and help!

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Re: KRUPA h.TARNAWA FRANKIST NOBILITY
« Reply #1 on Feb 24, 2009, 7:26am »

Feb 22, 2009, 1:02pm, krupatarnawa wrote:

My haplogroup test showed Q1b result which is very rare
haplogroup, but found only elsewhere on moderate level in north
Pakistan (and Ashkenazi Jews), which is again something very
misterious, as Tarnawa City is over there!)

Does anybody perhaps posses a list of converts who was adopted into rank of Szlachta in mid-18th century in Lvow or surrounding
churches?

Thank You in advance for your support and help!

Hello and welcome. I am afraid I cannot help you concerning the list you are looking for. But just a remark which may be (or may be not) helpful. Tarnawa is also a village on today's Polish-Ukrainian border in Southern Poland.

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Re: KRUPA h.TARNAWA FRANKIST NOBILITY
« Reply #2 on Feb 24, 2009, 12:32pm »

Hi,

welcome to the forum. What is your last name? This may help to figure out whether your family were converts or not.

Tarnawa is indeed a very famous Polish coat of arm. Here is more about it:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnawa_(herb_szlachecki)

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« Reply #3 on Feb 24, 2009, 12:34pm »

here is the article:
http://www.polishsite.us/immigration-and....in-polan d.html

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« Reply #4 on Feb 24, 2009, 3:28pm »

My surname is Krupa, and it is listed under herb Tarnawa. There is many Krupa's in Poland (of different origin), not so many in Ukraine, but nobody claimed herb Tarnawa, only my family.
And my father Mladen have been accepted by the Polish Nobility Association, and the COnfederation of Polish Nobility.
But, it looks that they my family was among people who was "adopted" in that surname and rank in mid 18th century.

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Re: KRUPA h.TARNAWA FRANKIST NOBILITY
« Reply #5 on Feb 26, 2009, 6:48am »

Feb 24, 2009, 3:28pm, krupatarnawa wrote:

Krupa is a very common name. Actually my aunt's husband last name which she adopted was "krupka" which means the same as small krupa.
I never realized that Krupa might be the aristocratic name.
Frankly it does not sound Jewish in the first place, but very Polish. Krupa means groats or grains

Wow, there are some fasion models with this last name:
http://www.joannakrupa.com/

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« Reply #6 on Feb 26, 2009, 7:14am »

Well, famous drummer Gene Krupa was of of Jewish Polish origin.

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« Reply #7 on Feb 28, 2009, 3:48pm »

Yes, Krupa is a very common Polish name. I researched Gene Krupa on the net, and i found no evidence he was half Jewish. He was catholic.In the Jewish relgion, if your mother is Jewish your a full Jew. Gene was catholic. If your catholic with a name like Krupa , you got to be Polish

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