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Post by johnypl on Jun 4, 2009 12:41:34 GMT -7
As this is my first message on this Forum I`d like to say to every users: hi! Quick presentation: My name is Jan (Johny is my nickname), I`m from Poland and I`m shocked by the fact that this kind of forum exists! I came here thanks to Paul Eriksen and I hope I`ll have a nice time reading about how people from other countries see Poland and maybe I`ll be able to help in answering some questions about my country But! I`d like to tell you about the 20th anniversary of free election in Poland (4th of June 1989) after many years of communism. Today Poles couldn`t find mutual language (is it only a Polish idiom?) so government was celebrating in other place than poeple of Solidarnosc did. It`s sad but the important thing is that 20 years ago they menaged to stick together so now we have an independent, free from communism country. Lech Walesa and other nameless heroes - we thank you all.
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Post by Jaga on Jun 4, 2009 13:22:56 GMT -7
Hi Johny (Jasiu), welcome to the forum! I just watched Polish news and everybody seem to be upset that the world remember Berling wall fall much more that the fact that the first free elections happen in Poland on June 4th, 1989. I still remember, I was proud also and voted for Solidarity! Poland marks first free vote TWENTY anniversary www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/04/Poland-marks-first-free-vote-anniversary/UPI-59631244139671/WARSAW, Poland, June 4 (UPI) -- Poland's leaders, accompanied by foreign dignitaries, are marking the 20th anniversary of the country's free elections that led to the fall of communist rule. Prime Minister Donald Tusk led a party of Polish officials who gathered in the southern town of Krakow. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and prime ministers of the Czech Republic, Hungary, Lithuania, Romania and Ukraine attended ceremonies in the Wawel Castle and the Wawel Cathedral, thenews.pl Web site said Thursday. Also attending the services in the cathedral was former Polish President Lech Walesa, the former leader of the Solidarity union movement that helped topple the communist regime in 1989. Ceremonies will be held later in the day in Gdansk, the northern city on the Baltic Sea coast where the Solidarity movement began its activities in 1980.
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Post by johnypl on Jun 4, 2009 13:56:33 GMT -7
I don`t know if you heared about the movie about falling of communism in Europe made by some "artists" from the EU comission: Berling wall is falling - view from the left, from the right, view from the top, from the bottom, from the bottom left, from the bottom right and so on. Later they modified it a bit but it`s still not great. And not because of very few scenes about Poland, it`s just.. weak.
However now there is a new clip made because of the anniversary, for sure I like it more than the prevorious ones.
The text at the end: Marta Wloka was born on 4th of June 1989, at 10.00 PM. Twenty years ago, exactly at this time polling stations were beeing closed and counting of votes begun.
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Post by Jaga on Jun 4, 2009 19:31:11 GMT -7
John, I saw the movie which focused mainly on the Berlin wall and I know that Poles were upset about it. I will see this movie which you show also, thanks. Here is Lech Walesa and domino effecthttp://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/6689/z6689753X.jpg bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/6689/z6689753X.jpg
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Post by Jaga on Jun 4, 2009 19:46:32 GMT -7
John, I saw the clip. It is really nice and it shows lots of our history. I did not know that U2 song "New Year's Day" was inspired by Polish Solidaity movement! Here it is more about it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Day_(song)
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cfn
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Post by cfn on Jun 4, 2009 23:27:25 GMT -7
Johnypl: Glad you're here! I trust your judgment, and feel you are a smart man. That was a good video with a profound message. That would sell in Hollywood--the idea of having the girl in it who was born right when freedom started. That's a movie I would go and see.
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Post by justjohn on Jun 5, 2009 3:18:31 GMT -7
BBC NEWS Poles remember historic 1989 vote Poland is marking the 20th anniversary of the elections that led to the formation of the first non-communist government in the former Soviet bloc. Ceremonies began with a service at Krakow cathedral attended by PM Donald Tusk and the former leader of the Solidarity union movement, Lech Walesa. In 1989, Solidarity won an overwhelming victory in the first, partially-free elections in communist Eastern Europe. The vote paved the way for the gradual end of communist rule in the region. In December the following year, Mr Walesa was swept to power Poland's first democratically elected president. 'It started in Poland' European leaders including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, and the former Czech President, Vaclav Havel, attended the ceremony at Krakow Cathedral on Thursday marking the election that heralded the collapse of communism. “ The Polish model served as an example for next countries and in this way it might have speeded up peaceful transition to a better system based on democracy ” Leszek Balcerowicz, Minister in first Solidarity government The BBC's Adam Easton in Krakow says Poland is a deeply religious country, and the Polish Catholic Church and Pope, John Paul II, played an important role supporting the Solidarity movement in its struggle for democracy. With hindsight it seems obvious, but at the time Solidarity's victory surprised almost everyone, our correspondent says. Just six weeks before polling day the organisation was still banned. It had survived underground despite the communist authorities' attempts to crush it by imposing martial law in 1981. By 1989, the Polish economy was facing collapse and the former Soviet Union under Mikhail Gorbachev had signalled it would no longer intervene in Eastern Europe. The Communist Party began talks with Solidarity and agreed to hold elections as a calculated concession to allow it a limited platform. They thought the opposition was too weak to organise, let alone win them, our correspondent says. Solidarity's victory - the movement won 99 out of 100 seats in the newly created Senate and every seat available to it in the lower house, the Sejm - caught many by surprise and communism collapsed in Poland without bloodshed, he adds. Leszek Balcerowicz, a minister in the first Solidarity government, told the BBC that it was an example for the rest of the region. "The Polish model served as an example for next countries and in this way it might have speeded up the peaceful transition from a bad system to a better system based on democracy, market economy and civil society," he said. One banner outside Krakow's cathedral on Thursday read: "1989, it all started in Poland". Story from BBC NEWS: news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/8083339.stmPublished: 2009/06/04 14:29:45 GMT
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Pawian
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Post by Pawian on Jun 6, 2009 16:16:40 GMT -7
As this is my first message on this Forum I`d like to say to every users: hi! Quick presentation: My name is Jan (Johny is my nickname), I`m from Poland and I`m shocked by the fact that this kind of forum exists! I came here thanks to Paul Eriksen and I hope I`ll have a nice time reading about how people from other countries see Poland and maybe I`ll be able to help in answering some questions about my country But! I`d like to tell you about the 20th anniversary of free election in Poland (4th of June 1989) after many years of communism. Today Poles couldn`t find mutual language (is it only a Polish idiom?) so government was celebrating in other place than poeple of Solidarnosc did. It`s sad but the important thing is that 20 years ago they menaged to stick together so now we have an independent, free from communism country. Lech Walesa and other nameless heroes - we thank you all. Yesterday Poles celebrated the 20th anniversary of the collapse of communism in their country. There were concerts, events, festivals. Also, a special golden plane flew to Brussels with an unusual crew. Golden aliens invasion officially started the festival which is called: It all began in Poland.
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Post by cube on Jun 7, 2009 2:36:18 GMT -7
As this is my first message on this Forum I`d like to say to every users: hi! Quick presentation: My name is Jan (Johny is my nickname), I`m from Poland and I`m shocked by the fact that this kind of forum exists! I came here thanks to Paul Eriksen and I hope I`ll have a nice time reading about how people from other countries see Poland and maybe I`ll be able to help in answering some questions about my country But! I`d like to tell you about the 20th anniversary of free election in Poland (4th of June 1989) after many years of communism. Today Poles couldn`t find mutual language (is it only a Polish idiom?) so government was celebrating in other place than poeple of Solidarnosc did. It`s sad but the important thing is that 20 years ago they menaged to stick together so now we have an independent, free from communism country. Lech Walesa and other nameless heroes - we thank you all. I also want to say thank you to Lech Walesa and the other heros. And - czesc to the users! My name is Kuba and I am Polish and a liitle (1/2 :--) French. I found this forum while searching for some Polish culture items. I like the different stiles of language here and I hope to learn more English thanks to you.
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cfn
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Post by cfn on Jun 7, 2009 20:20:31 GMT -7
Welcome, Cube,
I also like the many varieties of viewpoints AND nationalities we have here.
Individuals from different countries can get along much better and easier than their governments.
You also get a better "feel" (understanding) for what is really going on in another country by talking to someone from that country. I think you will usually get an honest answer.
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cube
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Post by cube on Jun 23, 2009 12:11:06 GMT -7
Thank you Pauleriksen!
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Post by Bob S on Jun 23, 2009 13:06:41 GMT -7
;D ;D Aw well. Bienvenido a todos los nuevoes en el foro and we hope to hear more from y'all. It is the people and not the governments that talk to each other and make new friends. The only thing governments are good for is "to get in the way of everything". As for the freedom and elections in Poland, there are those of us who remember. ;D
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Post by ddddyyyy on Aug 6, 2009 1:33:22 GMT -7
I agree with johnypl
you are an agreeable cuss, ddddyyyy, but with just agreeing and posting your adverts you will be banned.
Kai
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