Jaga PolishSite Nothing is black and white. One country's terrorist is another country freedom fighter. Spy is either a hero or a traitor - depending where.
Jaga PolishSite Nothing is black and white. One country's terrorist is another country freedom fighter. Spy is either a hero or a traitor - depending where.
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #4 on Jun 5, 2010, 8:49pm »
Maybe we should ALL go back to where we came from?
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #6 on Jun 6, 2010, 10:51am »
The Jew was originally condemned to 'wander the earth' the same way Cain was condemned after he killed his brother Able. When they began to settle in different lands, thats when the problems began.....and the killings as well.
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #7 on Jun 6, 2010, 12:17pm »
Aha, Aswerus! Good point, Niktosiu!
And thanks for magical turning the whole bunch of repetitive threads devoted to non-antiSemitic critic of Israel into a sudden glimpse of things interesting!
The Wandering Jew
This legend has been widely popular ever since its first appearance in a German chap-book of 1602. There it is told as follows: When Jesus bore his Cross to Calvary, he passed the house of a cobbler, Ahasuerus by name, who had been one of the rabble to shout, "Crucify him." Sinking beneath his burden, Jesus stopped to rest at the threshold of the cobbler, but was driven away with the words; "Go where thou belongest." Thereupon Our Lord gazed sternly at Ahasuerus and said: "I will stand here and rest, but thou shalt go on until the last day." And since then the Jew has been roaming restlessly over the earth.
The first literary record of such a doomed wanderer is found in the "Flores Historiarum", a chronicle of Roger of Wendover, a monk of St. Albans (d. 1237). The account there given was incorporated with some slight amplifications into the "Historia Major" of Matthew Paris (d. 1259). The story is told on the authority of an Armenian bishop who visited England in 1228 and had personally known the doomed man. According to this version, Cartaphilus, a doorkeeper at Pilate's mansion, saw Jesus as he was led forth to be crucified and struck him contemptuously, crying at the same time: "Go Jesus, go faster, why dost thou linger?" Whereupon Jesus replied: "I go, but thou shalt wait till I come." And so the offender has not been able to die, but still waits for the coming of Christ. He is leading a quiet, saintly life. Whenever he reaches the age of a hundred years he is miraculously restored to the age of thirty. Since his conversion to Christianity his name is Joseph. A similar version, also on the authority of the Armenian bishop, is given by the Flemish chronicler, Philippe Mousket, Bishop of Tournai (about 1243). No doubt, this version is the basis for the story given in the chap-books.
Now the legend is surely not the invention of the Armenian bishop, as has been sometimes claimed. It was well known in Italy during the thirteenth century and must have existed long before that. According to the astrologer Guido Bonatti, who is mentioned by Dante (Inf., xx, 118), the wanderer passed through Forli in 1267. Philip of Novara, a famous jurist, in his "Livre de Forme de Plait" (c. 1250), refers to a certain Jehan Boute Dieu as one proverbially long-lived. Now Philip resided for a long time in Jerusalem and Cyprus; this, together with the fact that the account in the English chronicles also localizes Cartaphilus in Armenia, seems to point to an Oriental origin for the legend. Probably it was part of a local cycle that sprang up in Jerusalem in connexion with the Passion, and was brought to Europe by crusaders or pilgrims. A legend of a surviving witness of the Crucifixion, who is represented as the victim of a curse, was certainly current in Jerusalem, and is repeatedly referred to in accounts of travels to the Holy Land. The name of the accursed wanderer is generally given as Joannes Buttadeus, in Italian as Bottadio, which evidently means "God-smiter". An old Italian legend knows of a similar punishment inflicted on the soldier who struck Christ before the High Priest (John 18:22), and later on this soldier was identified with Malchus whose ear was cut off by Peter. This legend was furthermore confused, it seems, with one current about St. John, to whom tradition ascribed immortality on the basis of a passage in John 21:20 sqq. The names Johannes and Cartaphilus (karta philos "much beloved"), given to the wanderer, lend some colour to this theory.
But, whatever its origin, the legend owes its fame and popularity to the above-mentioned German chap-book, which appeared anonymously in 1602 under the title: "Kurtze Beschreibung und Erzehlung von einem Juden mit Namen Ahasverus", etc. There the story is related on the authority of a Lutheran clergyman, Paulus von Eitzen (d. 1598), who claimed to have met the Jew in person in Hamburg in 1542, and to have heard the story from Ahasuerus himself. In a later edition of 1603, "Wunderbarlicher Bericht von Einem Juden Ahasver", etc., where the anonymous author assumes the pen-name of Chrysostomus Dudulćus Westphalus, the meeting is assigned to the year 1547, and in an appendix the fate of the Jew is made the subject of an exhortation to the Christian reader.
The legend at once sprang into popular favour, and numerous editions followed. From Germany it spread to Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, and especially to France, where it has enjoyed a great vogue up to the present. The best-known French version is the "Histoire admirable d'un Juif Errant" dating from the seventeenth century. Here a tragic touch is added by the recital of the dangers which the Jew courts in the vain hope of ending his misery in death. Stories of the actual appearance of the Jew also began to be common, many of them, no doubt, traceable to impostors who played the rôle with success. Of such a one we have a well authenticated record from Italy in 1415.
Various names are given to the Wandering Jew in different countries. The English chronicles call him Cartaphilus. The Italian form is Bottadio and this corresponds to Boudedeo in Brittany and Bedeus in Saxon Transylvania. In Belgium he is known as Isaac Laquedem, probably a name of Hebrew origin. In Spain his name has undergone the significant change to Juan Espera-en-Dios (John Trust-in-God). Why the German version calls him Ahasverus is not clear. This name is familiar from the Old Testament (Esther 1:1) as the surname of a Persian monarch (written Assuerus in Catholic versions). It is to be noted that the original wanderer was not necessarily a Jew; Cartaphilus, the door-keeper in Pilate's mansion, must have been a Roman.
Polish connection:
please read a masterpiece of literature by Jan Potocki, entitled The 'Manuscript Found in Saragossa' ,everyone
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #8 on Jun 6, 2010, 12:22pm »
BTW. the explanation is this interesting clip, about 6 million Jews being killed in Germany in Poland, although technically true is misleading. APAIC or ADL would react instantly is parallel case, and would sue the author to bancrupcy. What are Polish Americans doing?
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #9 on Jun 7, 2010, 12:10pm »
Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas ‘immediately’ retires
By Agence France-Presse Monday, June 7th, 2010
"Veteran reporter Helen Thomas, who has covered the White House since the John F. Kennedy administration, is retiring immediately following her controversial statements about Israel, Hearst Newspapers reports," USA Today reports.
At his Washington Post blog, Greg Sargent posted the entire statement issued by Hearts newspapers:
Helen Thomas announced Monday that she is retiring, effective immediately.
Her decision came after her controversial comments about Israel and the Palestinians were captured on videotape and widely disseminated on the Internet.
Thomas later issued a statement: ``I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.''
Original AFP story follows:
White House correspondent apologizes for Israel remarks
WASHINGTON — Veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas has apologized for remarks she made about Israel which led to her being dropped as the graduation speaker at a local high school.
Thomas, 89, the longest-serving reporter in the White House press corps, was asked by the website RabbiLive.com during a May 27 "Jewish Heritage Celebration" at the White House whether she had any "comments on Israel."
"Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine," said Thomas, who served for decades as the White House correspondent for United Press International (UPI) and now writes a column for Hearst newspapers.
"Remember these people are occupied and it's their land, not German and not Poland," Thomas said. "They can go home, Poland, Germany, and America and everywhere else."
Thomas issued an apology on her website, HelenThomas.org.
"I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians," she said.
"They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon," Thomas said.
Thomas had been scheduled to deliver a June 14 commencement address at Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda, Maryland, outside Washington, but the school said Sunday it had cancelled her appearance.
"Graduation celebrations are not the venue for divisiveness," Whitman principal Alan Goodwin said in an email to parents at the school.
"Graduation is the time for a cohesive and joyous celebration of our students' achievements; other forums exist for discussions of political issues," Goodwin said.
Thomas has covered every US president since John F. Kennedy and is a former president of the White House Correspondents Association.
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #10 on Jun 8, 2010, 1:57am »
Helen Thomas is 89 and from Lebanon. If what she said is so bad, what about policies of Israel killing and getting rid of Palestinians? Is Netanyahu saying: "dear Palestinians, we invite you to live in Gaza and Israel"?
Character Assassinated: Helen Thomas has been misquoted to destroy her reputation. She asked for Israelis out of Palestine, not "Jews out of Israel." The man interviewing her interrupted, adding a phrase about "Jews" to alter the meaning, and Thomas wasn't nimble enough to change subjects. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Here is an actual transcript of the Helen Thomas interview:
Interviewer: Any comments on Israel? We're asking everybody today. Any comments on Israel?
Thomas: Tell 'em to get the hell out of Palestine.
Interviewer: Ooh. Any better comments on Israel?
Thomas: Remember, these people are occupied, and it's their land. It's not German; it's not Poland --
Interviewer (interrupting): So where should they go? What should they do?
Thomas: Go home.
Interviewer: Where's their home?
Thomas: Poland, --
Interviewer (interrupting): So the Jews...
Thomas (continuing): Germany, --
Interviewer (interrupting again): You're saying Jews go back to Poland and Germany.
Thomas (shakes her head, continuing again): and America, and everywhere else.
If you doubt the accuracy of this transcript, please view the video yourself to confirm it.
Helen Thomas was the only member of the White House Press Corps to stand up to the American government's militance over the past decade. She was a consistent thorn in the sides of both the American and Israeli governments, publicly questioning their military excess when no one else would.
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #11 on Jun 8, 2010, 6:55pm »
Jaga,
I agree that Helen Thomas was ambushed by the interviewer and I for one wish she would not have resigned! When you look and listen to the actual video, she is talking about the nation of Israel occupying Palestine, which is in fact what they have done! Since when did the "nation" of Israel become totally Jewish? The same problem arises when we look at those kidded during the Holocaust. The Holocaust should also include the Nazis' systematic murder of millions of people in other groups, including ethnic Poles, Romani, Soviet civilians, Soviet prisoners of war, people with disabilities, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other political and religious opponents, but it has been taken over by one religion and made a cause-celebre to the exclusion of all others.
And as far as the land belonging to Israel, what about the stab in the back the West gave to the Arabs after WW1? They are NOT one and the same!
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #12 on Jun 9, 2010, 5:49am »
Hi Wayneprice, I agree with you on the Holocaust. It has become a moral stick and a way to induce pressure by Israeli lobbies.
However, regarding the state of Israel, it has liitle reference. Both parties, Jews and Arabs, can claim rights to land in question, taken historically.
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #13 on Jun 9, 2010, 7:56pm »
Hi Wayne,
yes, Helen Thomas became a great distruction from Israel's disasterous attach into the flotilla. I agree that she was ambushed. You are right, she should fight back.
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Re: Jews get out of Israel, go back to POLAND ! « Reply #14 on Jun 10, 2010, 10:14am »
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