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Post by pieter on Feb 28, 2007 11:44:59 GMT -7
Pieter, I like Agnieszka Chylinska very much. She doesn't record new songs right now, since she is taking care of her newborn child. She's one of the most defiant rock singers in Poland. So is 'Kult' leader - Kazik Staszewski, another very oustanding artist. The song "Polska" you have provided the link for is certainly among his best ones. I am sure you can understand a lot of it even without understanding the lyrics. Kazik Staszewski father was also an artist and defiant in communist times, when more courage was needed to be one. Pudelsi, Siekiera, KSU, Defekt Mózgu are all classiques of their genres, but it seems that the 'new generations' did not accept them as they did Kazik and Agnieszka Chyliñska. Thanks for posting and bringing some good memories back on my mind  Wojtek, You are welcome, and I thank you for taking me in this topic through the history of Polish pop- and Folk music of the past and present. Maybe the new generations don't know what they are missing, when they don't open themselves to the good old Polish Punk, New Wave, Hard rock, rock and blues. I was thankful when I received my Polish records in the eightees, and was happy when I heard Polish Punk ( Nowa Huta) on local anarchist (squaters) radio in the ninetees. I even think that the subcultures of artists, squaters and Punks (Anarchists) might be more interesting in Central- and Eastern Europe than in Western-Europe, because it has roots in the old Dissident Underground (as you mentioned). I like Agnieszka Chylinska too, she must be a sort of Polish Punkdiva, her band sounds like the Brasilian thrash metal band Sepultura, I wonder how she will develop herself, because her way of singing is very intense. I like this numbers too: chyli?ska - zla, zla, zla chyli?ska - deszcz, b?dzie s?o?ce |
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Post by pieter on Feb 28, 2007 17:52:50 GMT -7
More Polish (old school and new) pop music, which is available at youtube:
Marek Bili?ski - Ucieczka z Tropiku
Smolik feat. Mika - Om
Reni Jusis - Ostatni raz
Obciach - Ku Chwale (live)
Oliver and Mietek Blues Band at Jazz Club
Erectus - Nie b?dz taki pewien (fragment)
Czech New Wave:
Atlanta-?as okamžiku
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Post by bujno on Mar 1, 2007 7:25:12 GMT -7
Thanks, nice music, Pieter. The Czechs have some very interersting bands. Not to mention their jazz, which you know very well! |
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Post by jimpres on Mar 1, 2007 8:08:38 GMT -7
Here in this area everyone seems to like 'Psalm Dla Ciebie' and it is on the radio everyday.
Written by Rubik
Jim
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Post by hollister on Mar 1, 2007 8:18:52 GMT -7
Here in this area everyone seems to like 'Psalm Dla Ciebie' and it is on the radio everyday. Written by Rubik Jim This the one? |
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Post by pieter on Mar 1, 2007 15:12:21 GMT -7
Polish Pop
Aya RL - Ulice Miasta / Polska
Abaddon - Bezprawie
syntezatory.prv.pl - roland juno-60
Nie jestem kontrolowany
KOMBINAT - Karolina Tr?bacz - Sexy doll (5/13)
18 lat Lady Pank - Kryzysowa Narzeczona z Lechem Janerka
Bunkier - Heniek
Guernica Y Luno polish punk
Krzak + Sciera?ski w Krakowie
Polish reggea; ZJEDNOCZENIE SOUND SYSTEM at Warsaw Aurora
And especially for Wojtek her some Czech music:
The Plastic People Of The Universe-Moc jsem si neuzil
Galactic Industry - Perfect life
PHONETIX - In The Rain
DJ Anchovy Presents Mancuso, Czech Psychedelia
Slovak Pop
Zuzana Smatanova - Pocestny
Russian music:
AVIA (Russia): "Avia" great art-rock/wav
Mashina Vremeni - Vremya Probyet Menya Na Zub
Russian Music / Group: Rapka - Song: Odessiti
Agata Kristi - Morjak
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Post by bujno on Mar 1, 2007 16:15:11 GMT -7
Pieter, we'll have a complete Polish and Slavic music compendium soon! Mashina Vremeni– Time Machine. Maybe Kostia will correct me, but I think it is one of the oldest Russian rock groups. In this clip they are however somehow changed, and... not for good. This Slavic rock talk have brought to my mind my favourite non-Polish Slavic rock band. In fact they are among my favourite rock bands ever. They come from Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina) and their name is Bijelo Dugme. When I was a teenager and in my twenties they had they best time and I just couldn't stop listening their music. That's how I learned some Serbo-Croatian language. I am glad my sons do listen Bijelo Dugme, too. Here are some clips, unfortunately some not that good technically. I strongly recommend obtaining a CD with their ‘best of’ at least. :)Deeply moving music. Bijelo Dugme - Ako mozes zaboravi Bijelo Dugme - Ima Neka Tajna Veza (There is a mysterious bond! Bijelo Dugme - Tako ti je mala moja kad ljubi bosanac |
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Post by pieter on Mar 1, 2007 17:36:59 GMT -7
Wojtek,
Thank you very much for being so kind for adding the Bosnia-Herzegovinian (Yugo-slavian), Southern-Slavian pop-music to this topic. I have to admid that I did not knew Yugoslavian pop-music (exept the Nationalistic Turbo-folk I heared in documentries and movies), before your brought this band up. For me digging in the Slavic music is both getting deeper into an atmosphere and memory which is dug deep inside of me (the elements of Slavic folk music of my childhood, and the elements of Polish pop-music I must have heard as a child in the seventees and a teenager in the eightees in Poznan), and something completely new, an awareness of Slavian musical culture and tradition, and the differances between the nations. The New Wave and electro I liked so much fit well with the melancholical memories of the old Polish cities (Poznan, Krakow and rebuilt Warsaw) and other Central-European cities (Budapest/Prague), because the old atmosphere was better kept in the East-bloq countries than in the West (Holland and Germany are to sterile and clean Modernist). That's why I liked to search the internet the past two days for the New Wave, Punk and Underground (electro) of the seventees, eightees and ninetees.
Again thank you for your sympathetic response. It helps me to get connected to the Slavian music. By the way Poland is the country with nearly the most bands, if you compare it with the other countries Czech republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Russia. is that because it is a large country, or because it has a long musical tradition (Classical, folk/peoples music, jazz and modern pop). Any way, Polish music belongs to the European musical heritage, and is part of the larger Slavian musical tradition. I am very fond of the Russian language and music too. Russian has a poetic sound, like french.
I am talking purely esthetically, because I can only listen to Polish and Russian like a child who likes French chançons, because of the sound and melody of it, without understanding the content of it. Watching the video clips I get an idea where the songs are aboud. The language of the images is universal and so is the music.
Pieter
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Post by bujno on Mar 2, 2007 4:42:34 GMT -7
Ok, Pieter, let's go on then. Here more from Southern Slavs. Another superstar of the former Yugoslavia. His name is Zdravko Èoliæ. He's originally from... Sarajevo, Bosnia and Hercegovina, athough moved to Serbian capital Beograd. His best times were in 70 and 80 too. A very good singer that used intensivey and extensivey the Southern Slavs folk music. If one listens carefully and iis able to compare with Western Slavic or Eastern Slavic folk melodic lines , it hits how different they are, and at the same time how alike. It is easy to find the inffluence of Greek, Turkish and even Midde Eastern music in Southern Slaviv folk and not just folk. I love it. Zdravko Colic - Ao nono bijela Zdravko Colic - Moja draga Zdravko Colic - Jasmina And beware of the Slavic girls in the first two! |
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Post by pieter on Mar 2, 2007 17:18:54 GMT -7
Yugoslavian Pop music
Ekatarina Velika - Samo par godina za nas
Idoli - Maljciki (from Belgrade)
Elektricni Orgazam - Danas nisam sasvim svoj
Sarlo Akrobata
Disciplina Kicme - Politicari Virusi
Azra - Marina (Croatian band)
MALA VITA
Haustor-Djevojke u ljetnim haljinama volim
Prljavo Kazaliste - Uzalud vam trud sviraci (Croatian)
Videosex (Live in Ljubljana 1983)
Tanz Mit Laibach
leb i sol - jovano
Mizar - Juda (Macedonian darkwave band)
Kud Idijoti - We salute you
Zabranjeno Pusenje i Arabeske
Oktobar 1864 - Crni ples (Rock group from Serbian city Novi Sad)
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Post by bujno on Mar 3, 2007 3:39:24 GMT -7
Thanks for posting some excellent Yugoslavian music. You might be astonished how close relations bond Polish and Yugoslavian musical scenes... It begun in ’70, even before the ‘first Solidarnoœæ’ revolution period 1980-1981 which started to dismantle the communist block. Yugoslavia at that time was full of very good progressive bands, rock and else. Yugoslavian music publishing company released them nicely and quickly. The name of the company was YUGOTON. Since Poles could travel to Yugoslavia without difficult to obtain passport these albums easily permeated into Poland. It was the so called ‘private import’. They were expesive but at least it was possible to listen to good progressive music form Yugoslavia and from the West too, since Yugoton published Western rock too. In the seventies Polish musical scene was rather conservative although there were some excellent bands and singers too. We’ve talked about them already. But Polish progressive music was almost non-existent, so we listened to Western Radio stations, spend all the money on Western and Yugoton longplays imported privatlty and buying ‘pocztówki dŸwiêkowe’ (musical postracards – quite a phenomenon of a realcommunism era). And then all of a sudden a group of Konrad Wallenrod’s took control of one of the Polish Radio channel – Trójka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Wallenrod It was a real shock!! Good music from all around the world including the most rotten capitalistic enemies of our great socialist and internationalist people’s Patria. Music from all around the world meant from Yugoslavia, too. Elektricni Orgazam, Idoli, Bajaga, Film, Prljavo Kazaliste, Laibach, Bijelo Dugme were as well known in Poland as Rollin Stones, Led Zeppellin, Animals, Black Sabbath , Nazarerth. And in fact they were no worse. They just sung in a less popular language than English. I remember regular listening to a weekly radio broadcast in Trójka dedicated to rock from all the Yugoslavian republics (now most of them form separate states). It later turned out that most of the now famous Polish rock musicians did listen to the broadcast too. Among them Kazik Staszewski and Pawel Kukiz. And then in the Eiggties came the eruption of Polish hard rock and progressive music. We listened to Perfect, Lady Pank, Titl, Dezerter, Turbo, Maanam, Lombard, Aya RL, VooVoo, Rezerwat, Kult and many many other. And we fought with ZOMO gentlemen en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZOMO And we did the bibu³a stuff en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat And the situation on musical scene has turned around. Polish music got popular in Yugoslavia and inspired the Southern Slavic artists. Elektricni Orgazam even realesed an album entitled Warszawa ’81. Some years ago a group of Polish artists who were mostly ‘alternative’ in eighties, and now are very popular have decided to record some kind of a tribute to Yuogoslavian music that have inspired them. The leading two were.... Kazik Staszewski and Pawe³ Kukiz. They admit however that it was someone else, who has inspired them to do so. His name is Grzegorz Brzozowicz, the same guy who was an authot of the weekly broadcast dedicated to Yugoslav music in the seventies. The name of the album is... YUGOTON. And here’s a cover of a Malchiki song you’ve presented (Idoli - Maljciki. Malchiki is in Russian and stand for 'boys'. It is sung in Serbo-Croatian and Russian) You’ll easily notice how they compare and ridicule the old-time competion for the ‘leader of socialist work’ and contemporary corporate competition of ‘company leaders, managers of a month etc, and the so called ‘rat race’ of capitalism in general. Yugoton – Malcziki |
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Post by pieter on Mar 3, 2007 5:39:02 GMT -7
Wojtek, I enjoyed reading your last reply very much, and feel connected to this history, since Yugoslavia is very important to me and my family too. My father and mother met eachother in the Yugoslavia of the sixtees. My mother went to Yugoslavia two times with girlfriends of her from her Warsaw Urbanistic buro. She followed the advice from her landlord, a retired Polish banker, who had travelled all Europe before the war and spoke several languages fluently (French, German and English). He told her to go to Yugoslavia, because it was such a beautiful country in his memory. She followed the advice of this gentleman, and flew to Belgrade, where she had a very good time, because the Serbs were very guestfree and friendly people to the Poles. Suprisingly she did not like Croats after that when she went to Croatia, because the Croatian men were hostile towards foreigners (she and her Polish friend). The Croatian women were OK thaugh. She remembered that the Croatian farmer women were working very hard and that the man were lasy and annoying. That was around 1965-1966 I think. My mother listened to radio Luxemburg at that time, and she liked the Beatles very much. My father and mother met eachother in Dubrovnik, where my father was with his Dutch friends. Yugoslavia was accessable for Poles, because as you said it was a Communist country too. But with Tito it was a completely differant branch of Communism. AS we now know Tito forcibly hold the Southern-Slavs together, and unfortunately old Ghost from the second world war got alive agian in the ninetees, and we know the terrible result. I know a Yugoslavian woman in Arnhem who says she has no homeland anymore, because her country was Yugoslavia, and her Serbian fathers lives in Belgrade, her Croatian mother in Zagreb and her sister and brother in Serajevo. Her family is devided over three countries, and she could not live there anymore and so fled during the war to the Netherlands. There are many Yugoslavians living in the Netherlands, Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Kosovar Albanians, Macedonians and Montenegronians. Wojtek, you decribed the Underground culture and the Polish-Yugoslavian bond exellently, it is far more interesting to me than the Western Underground, Squaters and Punks I grew up with. Here they clashed with the Police to in Amsterdam and other cities (like in Copenhagen, Denmark or Berlin these days). I went out in the Squat houses in Amsterdam and Arnhem in the early and late ninetees, and saw quite a lot of Punk, New wave and Electro bands. It was nice to see that it was an international subculture where artists, musicians, students, political active youngsters felt attracted to. But this far left anarchist radicals were often to radical for me, because I saw a contradictio in terminis in their theory and actions many times. They were against the society, the real estate developpers and Capitalism in general, but they were exellent little businessmen when it suited them. They were against war, sexism, racism and xenofobia, but in reality (they are also human being) they could be violent, agressive, male chauvinist and sexist themselves. Their constant stuggle with riot police, assault groups of the real estate developpers, rival squaters, football hooligans (who often have a resentment aigainst the Punks and squaters) and far right movements (Neo-nazi skinheads) made them very well organised, well prepared (selfdefense) and very intelligent too (they know the law very well, and how to have a good relationship with neighbours -civilians- and the authorities -city councils and political parties). I just read you have squaters in Poland too in Poznan (Rozbrat), Wroclaw (Era Kromera, FreeDom, Wagony), Warsaw (Fabryka, Elblaska), Krakow (Wielicka), Gliwicach (Krzyk), Czestochowa (Elektromadonna), Bialystok(DeCentrum) and Sosnowc (M9). pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat I don't know if the squater culture is still linked to the development of Underground Pop-music, but I do know that Punk-rock, New-wave, Hiphop and reggea (Dupp) and alternative dance scenes (drum'n bass, jungle, 2step) thrive there. In Amsterdam you had a complete (paralel) underground supculture of squat theatre, concert halls, workshops, anarchist pubs, vegetarian restaurants, artists studio's, music studio's, debates, movienights and art exhebitions. Unfortunately this cultural underground infrastructure was broken by the power of the authorities, who with the law in their hands and the lawsuits of the real estate developpers dismantled this infrastructure (cultural facilities a lot of people were enjoying and which was really a benefit for cultural minded Amsterdam and international visitors) with police force and bulldozers. In staid of that new dull yuppy appartments came in the place of that. In the time I lived in Amsterdam (1990-1992) I also watched the Russian subculture of emigré's, in their Russian squats, harbour sheds, their private parties, their Russian pub at the edge of the red light district (Gelderse kade), and their flamboyant, lively, temperamentful parties with bands, dj's and performances. I heard Russian, Ukrainian, Gypsy and Jiddish music at those great parties, and met my Dutch girlfriend (my first in Amsterdam) at the Russian party. I will never forget that. So maybe therefor the Russian (Slavian) music is mixed with romantic feelings or memories in my case. I remeber the ZOMO very well my friend, because they were the notorious riot police of the ancien regime of the Peoples republic. Did they wore blue barets? I remember one evening walking in Poznan when there passed by a huge colomn of vehicles (filled with ZOMO militiamen) rushing to the city centre. It was a threatening sight, because I could imagine what force they would use against the people they would encounter. I really felt the opressive force of that paramilitairy police unit. Finally, Wojtek, you Poles had a great Underground scene of progressive rock'n roll bands. The bond between Poles and Yugoslavians was great, because music always crossed borders. Music can't be opressed, or hold between borders, because music is "anarchist" in it's nature, and music is the greatest art of all in my eye's. And I don't play musical instruments, never made music. I just enjoyed all kinds of music as long as I can remember. Your experiance and knowledge of the Polish music of the past decades and your exentended knowlegde of Yugoslavian music has widened my view of Pop-music in general and Slavian rock music in general. Pieter Some nice link to a movie from a Dutch squat theatre, it is a Dutch-Serbian co-production: The Secret Eyes Of Karlo Rojcvideo.google.com/videoplay?docid=1972335597773279009&q=karlo+rojc&hl=enwww.panvilla.com/ |
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Post by pieter on Mar 3, 2007 6:27:08 GMT -7
Wojtek I enjoyed watching and listening to Yugoton – Malcziki, it is a good illustration of your story and fit's well with the other yugoslavian clips. Now you know why I have something with Yugoslavia and yugoslavian culture in general. My life is directly linked to Yugoslavia. |
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Post by jimpres on Mar 3, 2007 6:51:18 GMT -7
Holly,
That is the tune they play everyday here.
Jim
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Post by pieter on Mar 3, 2007 8:04:47 GMT -7
Holly, That is the tune they play everyday here. Jim I wouldn't hate it if I heard it every day, but that simply never happens in my country. Nice song, and nice brunette and blonde girl. Pieter |
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