Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #30 on Jan 17, 2008, 5:28pm »
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Just John and Generation 3
You are both correct with the English rule of I before E, except after C (but there are exceptions to this rule - that part ends the 'rule') - can't think at the moment what they are but I can assure you there are some.
Leslie
I think it's: 'I' before 'E' except after 'C' or when sounded as 'A' as in 'sleigh' and 'weigh'.
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Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #31 on Jan 17, 2008, 6:26pm »
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Just John and Generation 3
You are both correct with the English rule of I before E, except after C (but there are exceptions to this rule - that part ends the 'rule') - can't think at the moment what they are but I can assure you there are some.
Leslie
I think it's: 'I' before 'E' except after 'C' or when sounded as 'A' as in 'sleigh' and 'weigh'.
Jeanne
Yes Jeannie! I remembered there were exceptions too, but couldn't think of an example. Thanks!
Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #32 on Jan 18, 2008, 9:32pm »
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I think it's: 'I' before 'E' except after 'C' or when sounded as 'A' as in 'sleigh' and 'weigh'.
Jeanne
Yes Jeannie! I remembered there were exceptions too, but couldn't think of an example. Thanks!
Mary
Mary,
You're welcome. As a tutor who often works with young children who are learning to read, I often employ the 'old' sayings to help the kids out, though I'm not sure it's considered a sound, modern teaching technique. But if it works, who cares?
Here's another: who remembers this one? "When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking." - meant to help kids decode words with 2 consecutive vowels like 'road' or 'steal'.
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Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #33 on Jan 19, 2008, 5:09am »
Jeanne I have never come across your two vowels walking reminder, but what do you say when the word is 'feel' or 'fool' (probably too early, but what about Aardvark)? Leslie
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Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #34 on Jan 19, 2008, 5:46am »
Jeanne.....I have never heard of that of the two vowel reminder either only the i before e reminder, but there are exceptions to the rules like "ceiling". I wonder if there are more we don't know about.
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Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #35 on Jan 19, 2008, 7:45am »
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Jeanne.....I have never heard of that of the two vowel reminder either only the i before e reminder, but there are exceptions to the rules like "ceiling". I wonder if there are more we don't know about.
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Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #37 on Jan 19, 2008, 10:50am »
"Y" before "I" except after "es" . With many hobbies and passtimes I use many different jargons , abbreviations and sometimes a dictionary. Except for the latter I would not try to use jargon or abbreviations in a general forum where they would not be understood. If I have to use specialised jargon or an abbreviation, I try to define it.
Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #38 on Jan 19, 2008, 8:57pm »
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Jeanne I have never come across your two vowels walking reminder, but what do you say when the word is 'feel' or 'fool' (probably too early, but what about Aardvark)? Leslie
Leslie,
Well, 'feel' follows the rule, the first 'e' does the talking. 'Fool' is one of those crazy exceptions. We teach the kids the two sounds of 'oo', the sound it makes in 'food' and the sound in 'cook'. This little sentence helps them remember: "You must have food to cook."
Aardvark can't be a word of English origins, can it? Therefore it doesn't follow the rules.
Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #40 on Jan 20, 2008, 7:20am »
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Jeanne
Here are one or two words that break the I before E except after C rule:
seize protein weird Keith Sheila species Neil
freight neighbour weigh weight
And those are the only ones I can think of without going through the dictionary!!
Leslie
Leslie,
You are absolutely right! That is why I said using the 'old' sayings is not sound, modern teaching technique. Of course the sayings aren't correct in every instance.
Regarding the words you listed however:
freight, neighbour, weigh and weight follow the latter part of the 'I before E' saying, which was (look back) "Or when sounded as 'A' as in 'sleigh' and 'weigh'".
The other words: seize, protein, weird, Keith, Sheila, and Neil follow the "When two vowels go walking..." rule.
Okay, so "species" doesn't follow either rule. Now-a-days (not relying on the 'old' sayings), we just teach the two sounds of 'ie' which are the 'E' and 'I' sound. The sentence to remember these would be: "The Chief likes pie." This sentence also shows them which sound is more frequently used with 'ie' because it comes first in the sentence.
Now, what about 'ea'? How many sounds does that make?
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Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #41 on Jan 20, 2008, 11:51am »
Jeanne I like your saying 'The Chief likes pie' but always remember to teach the exceptions. For example, using some of the words I posted 'The Chief likes pie but only when riding on his sleigh. He seizes them because they are full of protein.' Leslie I like my English language because it is not consistent and there are always problems lurking around corners ready to catch you out. Whatever you do, don't bring up the subject of 'evening' and ''night' or you'll wake Pawian up again and start this whole controversy again !! For example, if you are going out, some people shout to you 'Have a good evening' OR ' Have a good night out'!!!!! Leslie
Re: Writing in a forum « Reply #42 on Jan 20, 2008, 4:37pm »
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Jeanne I like your saying 'The Chief likes pie' but always remember to teach the exceptions. For example, using some of the words I posted 'The Chief likes pie but only when riding on his sleigh. He seizes them because they are full of protein.' Leslie I like my English language because it is not consistent and there are always problems lurking around corners ready to catch you out. Whatever you do, don't bring up the subject of 'evening' and ''night' or you'll wake Pawian up again and start this whole controversy again !! For example, if you are going out, some people shout to you 'Have a good evening' OR ' Have a good night out'!!!!! Leslie
Leslie,
Yes, I also love English with its inconsistencies, but, alas, it can prove quite challenging for young children trying to learn to read, especially students like mine with learning disabilities. That's why we try the little tricks, sayings, etc to help them out.
So Pawian had some trouble with the evening/night thing? I must have missed that, but sounds like a fun one!
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