Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Candidat « Thread Started on Aug 29, 2008, 10:58am »
Like most Americans, I am surprised by the nomination of Mrs. Palin. I do not recall having any dealings with her personally, in Alaska. But I look at any Alaskan nomination with great skepticism and trepidation. My experiences there have been dismal. The people in government I knew were vicious, to put it as mildly as I can. I went up to the Supreme Court of the Northern District, trying to get my reputation back, which they stole. I wish I could believe what the media are saying. Is Mrs. Palin truly against abortion? I was! And look what they did to me for speaking out! And yet "they did nothing to her"?! Rather, they even promoted her! What scares me even more, is the following un-Catholic statement this lady uttered, when asked whether she was in favor of capital punishment in especially heinous cases such as the murder of a child. "My goodness," she said, "hang 'em up, yeah." You can see why I am concerned: no true Catholic, or Christian, can be so unmerciful! Only God can take away life! I will end it here. I wish I were wrong. I hope that I am wrong! But I am still shaking after hearing these news!
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #1 on Aug 29, 2008, 11:45am »
Nathanael,
Sit down, as I expect you will be surprised and pleased at what I have to say.
Is Mrs. Palin truly anti-abortion? Yes. She recently had her fifth child (while in office as governor. She and her husband knew in advance it suffers from Down's Syndrom, and they followed through with a normal birth and are getting on with their family life and 5 children. This is what I referred to earlier as "she walks her talk". While I support the individual right to choose an abortion or not, I really respect her decision and her respect for life.
You say **The people in government I knew were vicious, to put it as mildly as I can.** She faced the same viciousness in running for office in Alaska. She ran against her own party and won; they didn't like her as she is not a "good old boy" party politician and she didn't talk the conservative talk it takes to get elected up here. Mind you, this is from the "conservatives" in the state who spend every nickel they can get their hands on, and the same group of "conservatives" who are more and more populating our jails for accepting bribes and other crimes. There was also a lot of not-so-hidden talk that the governor (and the senator) office is too powerful a place to trust to a woman.
She is the most attractive governor in the entire USA, so the "blonde factor" should help her gather votes. She certainly is far more pleasant a politician than is Hillary Clinton. Happily she is quite capable and I would say an original thinker and doer, not being stuck in party politics. Perhaps she is the maverick that John McCain wishes he were! She is person of the people with standard family activities in Alaska, just normal healthy outdoor stuff, with some more unusual stuff as commercial fishing in Bristol Bay (perhaps known nationally through 'Most Dangerous Jobs' or such a program on TV), and her husband was titled "First Dude" by the competitive snow machine (snow mobile) competition crowd. Both are activities needing full family support.
Her weaknesses: The big gorilla for me and why I did not vote for her as governor, though I have been happy with her in office, is her lack of experience. From memory I would say she has 8 years as town councilwoman and 4 years as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. Now she has two or three years as governor. That is her total political history. I can't identify any other weaknesses.
So we have two Pillsbury Doughboys, a Black and a Woman running for the highest offices in the land! Quite an interesting year! (McCain & Biden; Obama and Palin). The Pillsbury Doughboy comment comes from seeing the US Senate during the Clarence Tomas hearings. The contrast of seeing this very black Black man sitting in front of a row of bleached out, bloated old White men was quite impressive. What is it about American politics that produces these bleached out old geezer politicians? Is she anti-Catholic? I have no idea.
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #2 on Aug 29, 2008, 12:27pm »
Sorry, but we will have to disagree again. I wish I had the time you have to debate these issues. But I have far more important things to do, starting with my doctoral work on John Paul II, which I think is more important for Poland (and Alaska), than this discussion. So I am not going to debate this with you. You have made your point, and I made mine, and let's leave it there. I will say a few things for the record. Above all, I do not know Mrs. Palin and chances are that she is a saint! I want to make this clear. My quarrel is not with her, but with those who did me evil in Alaska! As far as I am concerned, you exhibit a staggering ignorance of the issues at hand. First, I have lived in Alaska 14 years. How many have you? Second, because a person has five children does not mean that she is for life! Millions of abortionists have children! Millions of them adopt! The right morality is in your mind: whether you derive your morals from God, or from the popular culture! The difference is huge! Third, speaking of Alaska popular culture, I am one of the few people who stood up against the radical feminism there and against the death penalty! Most Alaskans are in favor of death penalty which is against Catholic teaching. Most are squarely pro-choice. When Rodney King was being tortured by the police and the city of Los Angeles was burning, I conducted a survey in Anchorage what people thought about it: most of them, with utmost viciousness, responded: "Burn, baby burn". They would rather have the entire city of Los Angeles burn, than to acknowledge that a Black man, Rodney King was abused by the police! Mrs. Palin comes from that same culture. She hang up with the 500,000 dollar crowd of fishing licence holders and dog mushers. She only felt comfortable among the wealthiest! She is a self-proclaimed feminist pro-death-penalty! This for me is a red light, for I am a Catholic. It is also an explanation why she became a governor and why I went into exile! So when you hypothesize that "she did face the same viciousness I did," you are obscenely wrong! I give you a few examples, and I hope that I won't have to do it again. I had more studies in Alaska than she had. My teaching licence was blocked by the feminists. My permanent dividends (15, 000 dollars) were stolen from me by the government of Alaska. My residence of Alaska was rescinded. There was a vicious attempt (unsuccessful) to pull my graduate degree at UAA, as well. When I fought against abortion and radical feminism, my honor was tarnished. The pro-feminist government accused me of crimes I didn't commit. My attempts to get back my good name ended in the Supreme Court. I ended in exile losing all my savings. In the meantime, she went from endorsement to endorsement. She collected every permanent dividend. She was not sued by the state of Alaska as I was. She kept all her properties. She was elected governor, instead. Now, rather than seeking exile from the U.S. she is promoted to possible Vice-Presidency! You have to be callously out of your mind to say that "she faced the same degree of persecution in America, as I did"! You have no idea what you are talking about: all the evil of Alaska was unleashed against me! And I don't want to discuss this again since you are obviously out of touch.
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #3 on Aug 29, 2008, 12:54pm »
OK, no discussion, no debate. I will write this for whoever else may read this thread.
I really figured you were one of these anti-abortion people who care nothing about any other issue. Palin knew she would have her 5th child with Down's Syndrome, and she did not abort, she carried the baby full term and is providing a full family life for it now. How much more anti-abortion can a person get? Do you have to be an Old White Male to be more anti?
On your problems up here I cannot comment, though now there is enough to research it. I do have faith in the American justice system, and if your case went all the way to the Alaska Supreme Court and you lost, I have faith in the justice of that decision.
Your first point is how long have I lived here? I have more time in Fairbanks alone than you have in the entire State of Alaska. Other than ten years in Europe, I have been here ... 37 years and 2 days. I did not collect my Permanant Fund Dividend while I was in Europe, though by some interpretations I was eligible.
Palin went form endorsement to endorsement? I thought she was pretty obscure in Wasilla until the Republicans - her own party - did their best to defeat her when she ran for governor.
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #4 on Aug 29, 2008, 1:07pm »
What you are saying here is again confusing the issue! That she didn't abort her child has nothing to do with her staunch support of millions of other abortions! Neither Sens. Kennedy and Biden and Obama aborted their children. Does this mean that they aren't abortionists! They are, d**n it! They are! I have been fighting with Sen. Edward Kennedy on this since 1976! As for the American justice system: it is beyond repair! Otherwise the innocent wouldn't lose ... but they do all the time! It looks that you have faith in a broken system! You may have lived in Alaska longer than I have, but you sure know neither Alaska nor the United States!
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #5 on Aug 29, 2008, 1:34pm »
"Praising her "fighting spirit" and "deep compassion," Sen. John McCain introduces Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate at a Dayton, Ohio, rally." Deep compassion? When speaking of death penalty, this woman is on record saying: "My goodness, hang 'em up, yeah." Deep compassion? According to the standard of beasts, may be! But not the Christian standard, Mr. McCain!
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Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #6 on Aug 30, 2008, 1:41am »
She is definitively a better choice than Lieberman or Romney - the attack-dog for McCain. But she looks too much like a Fox babe and... she probably knows less about international politics than many people here in this forum.
She may have her time in the future, but I doubt it would be in this election.
My husband commented that McCain likes to be surrounded by young women. He used to be a big womanizer. He was using his gut instinct for this pick.
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Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #7 on Aug 30, 2008, 8:06am »
Sarah Palin has gotten my attention. Since her designation as a possible Vice -President, my mind has been in turmoil, torn between yes and no. I give her the benefit of the doubt. I am a Catholic, and as such I want her to change her stance pro death penalty. I fought radical feminism in Alaska for many years. I am the person who had coined the expression ""feminist-atheist" as an adjective. No one ever used this expression before in this way in America. The hell broke loose against me because of that. Paradoxically, although a feminist, she joined the Feminists for Life. This softened my disgust with some feminists, and dissipated my opposition to her, somewhat. But, as a non-denominational, she has a lot to learn, not just about the Office of the President, but about Christianity! Still all said I have to chose her over Sen. Obama, for whom Christian ethics count nought! Why? Because if our Nation ever finds itself sinking, we better have God on our President's side!
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Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #8 on Aug 30, 2008, 12:42pm »
Lets talk about Political womanizers. Bill Clinton Dolly Kyle Browning Sally Perdue Former Miss America Elizabeth Ward Gracer Former Miss Arkansas Jennifer Flowers 12 yr. affair Monica Lewinsky Paula Jones Kathlen Willey
Ted Kennedy
Mary Jo Kopechni A Polish girl The coward ran away and left her to drown.
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #9 on Aug 30, 2008, 2:27pm »
Just so there is no implication carrying over to Sarah Palin, let me say there was never a hint that she is anything other than a full, upstanding wife, woman and mother.
If anything else comes out under the microscopic investigations for national candidates, it would be quite a shock for me and for most Alaskans. She does have some press people who hate her and refer to her supporters as "Palinistas", and there is an investigation under way about undue pressure to transfer / fire a State Trooper who divorced her sister, but that is the worst going on.
As I said, I didn't vote for her due to her inexperience, but am please with her governance. Foreign affairs are probably her weakest point, and to have any faith in her at all I would have to see some action & statements comparable to Obama and his successful trip to Europe and the Middle East.
are you aware that Newt Gingrich who was on the top of Republicans accusing Clinton of love affair had its own love affair during the time of Clinton impeachment? So, please, do not forget that womanizers are on BOTH sides of the aisle.
What about another Republican orator - Rush Limbaught who was 3 tmes married and has multiple girlfriends, has drug problem and was caught with Viagra?
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Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #11 on Aug 30, 2008, 4:45pm »
Kai, With your last observation, the Palin campaign should engage you as an analyst/advisor. But I'd rather see you on PBS giving the U.S. some insight about Palin and her history. My take on this if anybody cares is: this is a desperate attempt on the part of McCain Republicans to appeal to the unhappy Hillary diehards and the ultra right conservatives. Palin is a member of and supporter of the NRA. The N.Y.Newsday printed a picture of her holding a huge gun. Nuff said about Republican political pandering to right wing groups. McCain = W again. God help the U.S.= us.
Re: The Nomination of Mrs. Palin as Vice-Presiden « Reply #13 on Aug 30, 2008, 8:14pm »
Whores and liars in politics? Say it aint so!!!!
Im gonna vote for McCain just because Palin has that hot librarian thing happening. Anyways, McCain is pretty old and I would love to see a woman in office. I am a real progressive and not just a socialist lurking around as a Democrat!
Jaga PolishSite Nothing is black and white. One country's terrorist is another country freedom fighter. Spy is either a hero or a traitor - depending where.
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