tuft, I wonder if you are not Pawian under another name? Palin is a nut case, but that is not unusual in politicos.
haa, good one, Freet! I think Pawian will love this comment too
As to Palin, yes she does seem a little weird proposition for a vice president to me, but I certainly don't have enough data to judge her, and don't follow the pres. elections campaigne the way you all do. From my foreign point of view nothing especially revolutionary will happen with either of the candidates being chosen. The main problem I see is the future president of US did not have the guts to say openly something like that - guys, the times have changed, it will be hard and it might hurt a little, but we must change our wasteful lifestyle.
Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #166 on Oct 9, 2008, 1:34pm »
The Alaska Supreme Court is reviewing a lawsuit to stop the legislative investigation into the Palin Troopergate scandal, where Palin is suspected of trying to force the firing of a former brother-in-law from the State Troopers.
The investigation was instigated by unanimous vote of the bipartisan Legislative Judiciary committee, and Palin promised full cooperation - until she was nominated as VP. Since then she claims the investigation is a partisan investigation and refused to allow cooperation until forced to by a Superior court ruling; that ruling is now what is under appeal to the Supreme court.
The final ruling is expected today, as the final report is, as it always has been, due to be delivered to the Legislature at 9AM tomorrow morning.
Remember, this was all started and agreed upon prior to the Vice Presidential nomination.
Kai If you are a news junkie, I expect www.adn.com would be very quick to report any decision.
[quote author=nathanael board=misc thread=4978 post=43094 time=1223410116]I know that most of you do not believe in prophecies. When I was informed today that I actually wrote the following post almost exactly five years ago (from Italy), I was stunned myself. The post voiced my uneasiness with the post-Berlin Wall world ... but also predicted that [Bull Moose], Mrs. Palin, may win the election! Strange things human minds do at a distance of five years! Here is the post:
"Hegemony or not, I feel great uneasiness. The Berlin Wall was better. It kept alliances solidified, cemented! Today, "jackals" like Russia and Germany have the floor. They know the game, historically. The fall of the Wall of Friendship between the Allies is worse than the fall of the Berlin Wall! It spells out uncertain future for the world. It threatens the Catholic Church, although the Church, historically, has survived all calamities. The "jackals," France included, seem determined to force America to defend her "power." I knew it from the first day that it would happen. It never was about Saddam! It's about the New World Order, without the hegemony of the U.S.! America never thought it will play out like that. But the Europeans and the Russians know how to play chess! Will the American Bull Moose stand up and chase the jackals away, or will it concede defeat? Even the Pope has ruled out fighting! But, all said, let God prevail"! (2/11/2003 2:18:36 PM, Nathanael). I don't recall to which newspaper this went ... but the use of the noun "Bull Moose" is inexplicable. ==========================================
My good heavens under the blue sky Nathanael! What on this very earth has occurred to bring about of this?
In truth, I was not to respond for suspicion of entrapment into a useless discussion expounded by bored students of the University. But, was to think of this source as from a very responsible thinking man of education.
But my country as a {Jackal}? I realize we are not always welcomed as darlens, but I was some what taken back as of name "Jackal", but every thing must have a name, so be it.
My point I am expressing of though is this: In the expression of {World Domination} and of the here and now. I would tend to say that you are of a great many years behind. For there has been not as a {conspiracy theory},but in actual practice of fact as depicted as written history.
For only as an example of {The New World Order} leaders as of: Cyrus of Persia/Ashurbanipal/ Alexander "The Great"/ and of course the people of the sea, The Philistines. All were of a {New World Order} and in their time, conquered that of their known world.
For as you know, there is no {New World Order}, but simply nations working and attempting to survive through these turbulent times as of present.
In as much as to my country you would wish to name as a {Jackal} nation. Yes, we do have influence within our known world, and yes, we do maintain a certain degree of wealth, but these are assets my country people have built with the sweat of the brow to translate into our institutions in banking. Of this, is shared with your country in-as-much as possible as a manner for resolution to the currant credit crises of that we are well informed of and not responsible for.
And yes of course our fore fathers fought down the Roman legions that invaded our land to force them selves upon us, to turn us into vessels to steal for enrichment of Rome.
And yes, our fore fathers fought down your church out of our North Land to our South. This was for the abuses of our people that was practiced at that time.
Yes, for the above, we are guilty. We are guilty of many things for we are a creative and restless people. We build and produce that is what we do. But, we are not guilty as a Jackal, for this is simply non-sense.
I will not speak against your Church, for this would be sin-ful against the house of God and of those that dwell within the confines of this church. For there are many houses of Gods domain. For to condemn one house, would be to condemn all other of his, and I will not do that.
For how ever my reply may stand, will be as it is. for I am only one voice of my nationality with two hands to bear a shield and sword. I will do what that is necessary of my part if perhaps nothing or very little. For I am a small man in a world of giants bearing a very small shadow.
For todays world, a shield and sword, is now the strategic use of economics and division of resources.
Note: I have only engaged in and of this subject only that being of your prophesy. Please not to consider this to be of indigenous politics of local/reginal or Federal in or that of, The United States.
Karl
Karl, you're right it was not nice to name your country as a jackal, but apart from this unfortunate name, our dear St. Nat is right. Which you in a way confirm in your post. But on the other hand I wish you thought about letting some of the air off from your pumped national ego baloon, please, as there's hardly any space in the room for anyone else this way. Have mercy, you're in a Poland forum, so depicting your historical compatriots as creative and restless people only and without the obvious additions, is equally boring as making you a little unreliable. I'm sure you can do better!
Tufta
You will never have a horse tall enough to talk down to me, so do not attempt, Ok?
In as much to Nathanael. You are looking but not properly observing. If perchance you are to use Empathic Observation, you would have observed Nathanael as a person of conviction.
For this man is not milk toast, but a man of conviction. Nathanael is an activist, and is willing to risk him self to that of his beliefs.
Certainly he has provided a provocative message, and so it is. My reply to him was also of my convictions. I was not offended, for in this stead, was impressed. Nathanael has earned my respect as a man and a person of convictions.
If you are horrified of our post exchanges then so be. But you do not tell me what to say or where I am, Ok?
The final ruling is expected today, as the final report is, as it always has been, due to be delivered to the Legislature at 9AM tomorrow morning.
Remember, this was all started and agreed upon prior to the Vice Presidential nomination.
Kai If you are a news junkie, I expect www.adn.com would be very quick to report any decision.
being a news junkie I followed the link! and this just in "Supreme Court won't block Troopergate inquiry The Alaska Supreme Court today rejected an attempt by six Republican legislators to shut down the Legislature's investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin. The ruling means that investigator Steve Branchflower will release his report as scheduled on Friday."
besides that there is another little nugget on the front page of the adn "Palin wins praise from Michelle Obama Appearing on "Larry King Live" and Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show," first lady candidate Michelle Obama praised Palin's family/work juggling act, saying, "She's doing publicly what so many women are doing on their own privately." That is class on Michelle Obama's part
Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #170 on Oct 10, 2008, 3:47am »
I will answer Karl's concerns later. For the time being let me say this regarding the latest news: People say many things on the spur of the moment, especially wherever they strongly feel that they rights are being violated. But there is a limit. Joe Vogler has crossed the limit of propriety but he was not a bomber! Ayers was a bomber. So it is ludicrous and unconscionable to blame Mrs. Palin for Joe Vogler's faults, while it is entirely proper to blame Sen. Obama for his association with Ayers! A bomb carries much more weight than a word!
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Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #171 on Oct 10, 2008, 11:38am »
Nathanael,
blaming Obama "for association" with Ayers is ridiculous. Ayers is a professor of the university right now. From what I understand he was just symphatizing with these who did the bombing, he was not a bomber. Ayers is used by GOP as a low type of the attacks. It has nothing to do with the issues of this elections at all.
Let me just do a comparison. Since you are a forum member does it mean that you have the same views as me? This is "guilt by association" which McCain campaign desperately try doing.
Jaga PolishSite Nothing is black and white. One country's terrorist is another country freedom fighter. Spy is either a hero or a traitor - depending where.
Radical history Further information: Weatherman (organization) Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[7] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang", Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.[5]The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Between the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[5]"During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously become a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant, Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.[8]In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[5] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to riot police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot confrontation between labor supporters and the police.[9] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[10] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[11][10] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.[10]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, thought that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".
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Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #173 on Oct 10, 2008, 12:13pm »
Ayers participated in bombing which blew out 100 windows, he did not participate in any killing.
Mary,
I am ashamed of McCain and Palin tactique. I wish they presented coherent economical recovery plan instead. I am ashamed of Palin who does not even know what newspapers she reads. I do not want women to be seen this way. She is one of these sweet and charming women who has no clue about international affairs. I do not want men to think that all women are like that.
Ayer association is low-level hit. Democrats do not use such low retoric. They could.
How you can explain McCain crashed 5 military airplanes?
Jaga PolishSite Nothing is black and white. One country's terrorist is another country freedom fighter. Spy is either a hero or a traitor - depending where.
Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #174 on Oct 10, 2008, 12:18pm »
"What the McCain (08) / Palin (09) ticket gives you is NO CHOICE"! Wayneprice, I wouldn't put it exactly that way: Mrs. Palin does have compassion for the life of the mother! That's pro-choice. Beyond that, the McCain ticket strongly opposes the choice of abortion. This attitude is essential in discouraging abortions! What the Supreme Court has done to actually encourage abortions without saying so! This has not worked to keep abortions in check. Millions of abortions followed soon after Roe v. Wade. This is why it is essential to abolish this ruling!
Radical history Further information: Weatherman (organization) Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[7] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang", Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.[5]The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Between the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[5]"During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously become a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant, Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.[8]In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[5] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to riot police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot confrontation between labor supporters and the police.[9] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[10] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[11][10] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.[10]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, thought that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".
Mary
You have a manner of stirring the black boiler, and this for sure... with the bring up of the Weatherman.
We had the RAF {Red Army Faction} branch of those crazies. I was a young man new in recruitment into our BND with little training and to be assigned as temporary loan to our branch of BfV {Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz}{means-Federal Office for the protection of the Constitution}.
And yes, as a young man, I very quickly learnt to hate very dearly those idiots.
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Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #176 on Oct 10, 2008, 12:49pm »
Ah Jaga, I'm not trying to stir the black kettle or however Karl put it. But, Your reply to Nathaniel a few posts back made me look Ayers up in Wikipedia. Just posting the known facts so all can have knowledge. Wikipedia is a good source for facts, not just someones opinion. I have learned to use it a lot as I don't necessarily trust todays media. I reccommend it.
Ayers participated in bombing which blew out 100 windows, he did not participate in any killing.
Jaga, In my opinion..he very well could have killed some. In fact some of his friends were killed while making bombs for the weathermen including one girlfriend. Just because he was unlucky enough to have missed his target does not excuse his teroristic acts.
Quote:
Ayer association is low-level hit. Democrats do not use such low retoric. They could.
Of course they do. This is politics in the US. It's dirty and will get worse as the days dwindle. They just don't have anything as low about McCain to use, so they attack his cancer. Thats even a lower level.
Quote:
How you can explain McCain crashed 5 military airplanes?
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Do you think he purposly risked his life to just trash some of the US's planes? The comment makes no sense at all.
Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #177 on Oct 10, 2008, 12:50pm »
Karl is definitely right: under no circumstances one should speak scornfully about any nation, even if one dislike them. I bear no grudge to Germany. The word "jackal" should not have been used; I never use this word against nations, not even against the Turks! But my "guilt" is somewhat mitigated by the historical circumstances when the post came to life. I was in midst of preparing exams at the Angelicum. The Italian Radio Rai was bombarding me all day long with hateful statements from Russian, German, and French foreign ministers about the "emancipation of Europe from American hegemony and the decoupling from the dollar." I can't remember all the names, Joschka Fischer, Dominique de Villepin, Nataly Churkin come to mind. One German, a red-faced fierce speaker, stood out. I recall that he was a nemesis of the United States at the UN. During those days he was on TV every day bashing the United States. I was one of the very few Americans at the University that year, and I was disturbed by his comments. So I took a minute and wrote that post to voice my displeasure. But I emphasize, the people of all nations should be respected, regardless how bad the leaders or regimes! It was inappropriate on my part to use the language I did.
Re: Nomination of Palin as Vice-Presidential Cand « Reply #179 on Oct 10, 2008, 1:56pm »
In a recent article (today), Charles Krauthammer has accused Sen. Obama of "high tolerance of the obscene." Of course, at issue is the association with Rezco, Ayers, and Reverend Wright. Where this "high tolerance" comes from, and why Sen. McCain is immune? I Think that the answer is simple: Sen. Obama is a product of modern education (I will skip the madrases). The modern education is highly liberal in tastes. When I came to America, I insisted in my magisterial literature classes that only classics be studied. I got a big surprise: my teachers voiced a clear preference for scatology ... or the love of the human excretions and the obscene! I protested and was quickly denied access to P.h.D and Teacher Certification in America! "You are a threat to our children," I was told. Not so Sen. Obama, of course, he heaped promotion upon promotion! Now, Sen. McCain escaped the scatological indoctrination by virtue of his age! And this precisely is the reason why his tolerance for obscenity is much lower!
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