Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #15 on Nov 28, 2007, 11:00am »
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, and it is not Mr. but President Bush.
Michael Dabrowski
Michael,
Did you extend the same courtesy to Clinton as you wish to have extended to Bush? My American tendency is to skip the titles, even the Mr. part.
*** This man, is ten times what you will ever be, in your best day. He made it to the top, ***
If this is the best we have, then we deserve the trouble we are building with the massive debts and other irresponsibilities of this administration!
Personally I do not rank 'politician' as the highest measure of accomplishment a man can attain. The average person who struggles and successfully maintains a marriage and raises children to be productive human beings can be quite a mark of success as well. Whether janitor or president, I just with one scale: does the ego exceed the ability of the person. A politician has quite a disadvantage by this scale, but they have a greater potential for benefit or damage as well.
Ah veteran, schmeteran. I am one too. Whoopie-do. It is no more than a service a citizen owes his country in time of need. I don't believe it accords us any privileges over those accorded to non-veteran citizens. I also realize this is a minority opinion in the US today. Bush, however, took an oath and skipped out on it. That is an offense to every honorable veteran and every citizen. By contrast Clinton skipped out before taking an oath, a more honorable option.
****It is nice that we are free to give our input, but should only do so where we live.****
OUCH! That is inhospitable of you and it is a two edged sword. I do like the implication that we in the USA should only give our input where we live. We mess too much in the internal affairs of other countries! This statement is far too restrictive and would greatly hinder the exchange of ideas in the world. Hmmm... maybe Bush should practice it. Please suggest it to him!
I have noticed - while I was overseas in service of our country - that Germans do tend to exercise a greater degree of freedom of speech. In America we tend to stick with the politically correct and are not as prone to discuss but to dictate one view in our conversations. Well, I did notice that recently in an earlier discussion with Pawi as well, so perhaps it is not just an American thing.
Kai who served longer and more honorably than the Chicken in Chief president.
Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #16 on Nov 28, 2007, 11:25am »
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Charles,
I think you know me, but do you? Who am I, and what do I stand for? I don't like outsiders, telling us what to do, to make us better. Look to your own and help them, if they let you. It is easy to find fault, and not try to help, correct things, with actions. I love this, the U.S.A. and would do all to make it better.
Michael Dabrowski
Michael
No person enjoys to be told what they are, no one..My reasoning for my post to you was. With great hope, you will respond with your own manner of realistic, intrinsic mannerisums. And perhaps this is becoming more apparnt.
I do not understand you, but, I like you. In this respect I am attempting to locate a manner of response that is both of understandable to my self, and of your self. For it is of my belief that you are an honest and straightforth man. We simply have a communication situation.
{Aller Anfang ist schwer}-Every beginning is difficult-
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #17 on Nov 28, 2007, 1:04pm »
Charles,
If you were American, I would say, I would fight for your choice of words, but you are not, so please be carefull with what you say, of us. I think you are a good person, who just does not understand the American way, and does not want to. So what, many here, today, do not either. But check both sides, and search out for yourself, and ask others, than make up you mind.
I have noticed - while I was overseas in service of our country - that Germans do tend to exercise a greater degree of freedom of speech. In America we tend to stick with the politically correct and are not as prone to discuss but to dictate one view in our conversations. Well, I did notice that recently in an earlier discussion with Pawi as well, so perhaps it is not just an American thing.
Surely it isn`t purely American.
Kai, I got depressed after you stopped trying to dictate your view in our discussion and left me so abruptly. When are you going to come back? There are new posts in the thread! hahahahahaha
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #19 on Nov 28, 2007, 2:02pm »
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Charles,
If you were American, I would say, I would fight for your choice of words, but you are not, so please be carefull with what you say, of us. I think you are a good person, who just does not understand the American way, and does not want to. So what, many here, today, do not either. But check both sides, and search out for yourself, and ask others, than make up you mind.
Michael Dabrowski
Dear Michael, I know a lot about Polish affairs.
However, much less about American ones.
What I want to say: It often strikes me that Bush has so many critics all over the country. As if hardly anybody voted for him. It is just like Poland - after elections people don`t tell the truth about their choices and immediately ciriticise the government ect etc.
Most people here in this forum are against Bush, they always state their reasons and hence I know their side`s arguments.
But, there are far too few suporters of Bush. Could you explain to me what you suport him for so that I could get to know two sides of the discussion, learn something from it and make my opinion on Bush?
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #20 on Nov 28, 2007, 9:23pm »
Pawian,
First off, after Clinton, even I would look good. Next, he stands up for what he thinks, and he is a very smart man. Last, I think he is a good family man, who tries to help other families, like with a tax cuts, and more benifits. He did not want this war, but will not pull out until it is over. This could have not happen if Clinton would have acted, when he was in office. Now he wants another chance, by way of his wife. Not with my help. There are many more reasons, but here are just a few.
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #21 on Nov 29, 2007, 2:24pm »
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Pawian,
First off, after Clinton, even I would look good.
Do you mean his dirty deeds with Monika Levinsky or even earlier, when he had used to smoke dope but hadn`t inhale it? What else do you have on Clinton what I don`t know?
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Next, he stands up for what he thinks, and he is a very smart man.
Does he have a university degree? What kind?
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Now he wants another chance, by way of his wife.
Hmm, but I heard that the Clintons have seperated or something?
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #22 on Nov 29, 2007, 2:33pm »
Pawian,
Travel Gate, stock deals, staff that killed themself, due to the Clinton action. Missing F.B.I. files, and missing records from her attorney office, on billing. No action when we were fired on in several places. Do you need more. Try Rush on the radio, for just a few weeks, and you will open up your mind to facts, and could even change your mind. Clintons have not seperated, and if she gets in, he will run things again, very bad, like last time.
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #23 on Nov 29, 2007, 2:36pm »
Pawian,
Do you live in the U.S.A.? Since you show pole-land. You don't get the true facts from the slanted press, you have to dig for facts. Try Rush radio, for a few weeks.
Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #24 on Nov 29, 2007, 3:07pm »
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Kai, I got depressed after you stopped trying to dictate your view in our discussion and left me so abruptly. When are you going to come back? There are new posts in the thread! hahahahahaha
Personal attacks and insults are recognized in the US as a last resort for the desperate, those who have run out of logical points to present. So your displays of temper and insults remain on the record to show your progressive loss of control and illogic.
You have enough playmates with rjb, Leslie and Pieter to continue on with, so you will be quite content.
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #25 on Nov 29, 2007, 3:09pm »
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Pawian,
Do you live in the U.S.A.? Since you show pole-land. You don't get the true facts from the slanted press, you have to dig for facts. Try Rush radio, for a few weeks.
Michael Dabrowski
No, I don`t live in the US. Clinton is already passe in Polish media. When he was in, it was mainly about his sex gadgets (cigar!!!) used in the Oval Office.
But, if you asked Polish politicians about Clinton, they would unanimously express one opinion: he was one who greatly contributed to Poland accessing NATO in 1997. It was a big thing then, nothing was certain and obvious, but Clinton pressed on it and Poland entered the Pact.
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #26 on Nov 29, 2007, 7:44pm »
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Try Rush on the radio, for just a few weeks, and you will open up your mind to facts, and could even change your mind.
Yes change your mind into drinking the Koolaid along with the rest of those listeners. Talk about bias and narrow mindedness. Personally I like Michael Savage better....for the entertainment value that is.
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #27 on Nov 29, 2007, 9:23pm »
Rdywenur,
I don't know of Michael Savage, where will I find him, I could give him a try, I have a open mind, and want to hear both sides, unlike here. Is he on radio or T.V. and where and when? Did you ever hear Rush? Or is just what you are told? I hope you reply and let me know where to find him, so I can try.
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #28 on Nov 30, 2007, 12:40am »
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Personal attacks and insults are recognized in the US as a last resort for the desperate, those who have run out of logical points to present. So your displays of temper and insults remain on the record to show your progressive loss of control and illogic.
Hey, that`s a repetition of what you have already said and I have replied to it too!
I thought you would have better news for me.
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You have enough playmates with rjb, Leslie and Pieter to continue on with, so you will be quite content.
No! Bigger parties are better than small ones.
Kai, don`t be such a wet blanket - it will be fun!
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Re: Sovietization of the US « Reply #29 on Nov 30, 2007, 1:30am »
Pawian,
Rush Limbaugh is a very partizan, pro-Republican politician who use dirty tricks to show his point. I have a hard time to understand why 30% of Americans hate ex pres. Clinton with passion. My father in law tried to convince me that pres. Clinton is a murderer. I think, he was much better president that the current one.
I do not understand how Rush Limbaugh could be seen as a better morally man (all Reps try) since... he was married several times, he was caught with Viagra and he was taking too many illegal drugs. Maybe this type of behavior helps you to find your enemy which are Democrats and Clinton.
Jaga PolishSite Nothing is black and white. One country's terrorist is another country freedom fighter. Spy is either a hero or a traitor - depending where.
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