Revolutions of freedom, « Thread Started on Feb 27, 2011, 8:47am »
Hi Jaga & all
Thanx for your nice message .
In fact, I did not completely cut off from visiting the forum, I was browsing through threads quickly. But in this period I have spent the time to participate in demonstrations of electronic, perhaps a strange name, but most revolutions started through websites. And to mobilize the largest number of those opposed to totalitarian dictatorships .And we are working to provide the website, any visual recording, or any written documents condemn these regimes defeatist .But really I would be happy to convey the view of many who witness these revolutions variability, but are afraid of others to ride the wave of revolution to achieve their goals has not been nothing to us, (Such as the revolution that broke out now in Bahrain) because it is known that Bahrain, with a Shiite majority, all of the assets of Iranian and loyalty only to Iran, a sign that bad, as we do not want to stretch the hands of Octopus Iran to the Gulf to repeat the same scenario schism and disruption and segregation, as occurs in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq ,yemen ...
Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #1 on Feb 27, 2011, 9:48am »
Rabia,
I understand your position very well. You are doing a great job in supporting the freedom cause of the Arab peoples in various countries. I understand your concern about the Iranian (Persian) influence in various Arab countries with Shia majorities or minorities. I think in fact that Iran is controling Iraq via it's Shia government. I think these revolutions should end in Arab democracies. I don't fear the Islamist threat like it is used in Gadaffi's propaganda, because most revolutionairy leaders aren't Islamists, but ordinairy civilians, dissidents, and also secular Arab forces. You will have to find an Arab version of Freedom and Democracy, because the Arab countries were totalitarian for so long.
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #2 on Feb 27, 2011, 11:53am »
Rabia,
thanks for finding time to come to visit us and tell us what you think. Thanks for sharing your concerns. Are people in Arab countries more afraid of Iran than Israel? I really believe that these revolutions would bring better prospects for your daughters.
What is the system of education in Dubai? When your oldest daughter would start going to school? Is the school system coeducational?
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #3 on Feb 27, 2011, 1:35pm »
Jaga and Rabia,
If the Arab National revolutions succeed and keep following the Patriotic and democratic course it is going now the Geopolitical situation might change in the Middle-east. If there will be real democratic regimes the focus of the United States, Great-Britain, France, Germany, Italy and the EU might change. With democratic Arab regimes, choosen by the people of the Arab countries, Israel will become less important. It will be just one of the Democratic countries in the region (without oil). I wonder now that after a harsh dictatorship like Lybia is being toppled if the people of Syria and Saudi Arabia will dare to rise againt their leaders? I know that Saudi Arabia is heavily armed also as the centre and gatekeeper of Islam with Mecca and Medina. Saudi Arabia is funded by billions of US dollars like Israel and Egypt.
Here a translated article from the Dutch magazine Elsevier:
"King Saudi Arabia scatters money for fear of unrest"
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:35 p.m.
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia spends about 7.7 billion euros in subsidies to curb inflation, housing for young people to improve and scholarships to students to share. Civil servants get a pay rise of 15 percent.
Saudi-King-Abdullah-bin-Abdel-Aziz
It seems that if Abdullah wants to avoid large demonstrations in his country. He did'nt promise political reforms.
Elderly The 86-year old Abdullah returned to Saudi Arabia Wednesday after he spent a few months in Morocco for back surgery and rehabilitation.
Saudi Arabia is one of the richest countries in the world thanks to oil and gas stocks, but particularly the elite with ties to the royal family benefits from this position. The Unemployment is over 10 percent. Abdullah is an authoritarian leader who implemented strict Islamic rules in his country.
Commute In Bahrain the regime tried to buy off demonstrations by paying each family a bonus of 2,000 euros, but that did not halt the protests. In Libya Saif al-Islam, son of leader Muammar Qadhafi, promised to raise wages if the demonstrations would stop.
The wave of demonstrations began in Tunisia, where President Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali eventually fled the country. This was followed by Egypt, where the leader Hosni Mubarak resigned. Now there is unrest in Libya, Iran, Bahrain, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen and Sudan.
Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #4 on Feb 27, 2011, 11:50pm »
In all Arab homelands suffered from totalitarian regimes, which depend (the Emergency Law) unjust, we are all living under the lines of repression and intimidation, secret and public, and on top of existing living conditions of humiliation, and all that led to the prison is full of all categories, and most important ( Prisoners of Conscience).
The regime in Syria is the most dictatorial and sectarian at all, and waiting for the day when it will collapse the tyrant governor of Damascus. Prisoners of conscience in Syria, hundreds of up and some of them died before they even go to jail, the severity of the torture suffered by him. Anyone who dares to criticize the regime they accuse of spying, either for Israel or for America. And I like to mention a girl named Tal Almlouhi
In an article posted on the liberal website Aafaq, Palestinian journalist Zainab Rashid wrote that the Syrian propaganda apparatus had sought to use the Gaza flotilla to divert attention from what is happening in Syria, and that the Syrian people needs freedom flotillas more than the Palestinian people does, because of its oppression at the hands of the Assad family, and because the economic and human rights situation in Syria is worse than in Gaza.
Following are excerpts from the article:
"When People Hear that Syrians Participated in the So-Called 'Freedom Flotilla,' They Get the Impression that the Syrians Have Overcome All of Their Domestic and Foreign Problems"
"When people hear that Syrians participated in the so-called 'Freedom Flotilla' [to Gaza], they get the impression that the Syrians have overcome all of their domestic and foreign problems, and that they have nothing left to do but to participate in mitigating the problems of others, and in ending the siege on them.
"When people hear that the Syrian ambassador to Jordan accompanied the Syrians who were 'expressing solidarity' [with Gaza] to the Jordan-Syria border, and that Israel freed them [following the flotilla events], it is only natural to think that the Syrian state takes a very special interest in its citizens, their security, and their wellbeing, anywhere they may need its assistance.
"When people hear that the Syrian foreign and information ministers were in continuous contact with the Syrian flotilla participants following their release, they are almost convinced that the Syrian government holds its citizens in very high esteem.
"But when matters reach their climax, and the Syrian president meets with the Syrian flotilla participants in his palace, to hear all the details of the violence and torture they suffered during their detention in Israel after Israel took over the flotilla ships and brought them to the Ashdod port... then everyone, not only some, envy the Syrian citizens for the treatment they are accorded by the president of the[ir] country.
"I and everyone else know that the Syrian officials' treatment of the Syrian flotilla participants, and Syria's official propaganda stance vis-ŕ-vis the flotilla, are only an attempt to ride the rising Turkish wave of [Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip] Erdogan – but I am convinced that the regime... hopes that showing special interest in the Syrian [flotilla] participants will divert [public] attention from the situation in Syria, from the complete deterioration in all areas, and from statements and the groaning of the freedom fighters imprisoned in the various, and numerous, bastilles [of the Syrian regime], both aboveground and underground."
"Until the Hamas Takeover, Gaza's Economic & Educational Situation, and Its Living Conditions and Freedoms, Were Much Better than in Syria"
"Until the Hamas takeover, Gaza's economic and educational situation, and its living conditions and freedoms, were much better than those in Syria under the rule of the Assad family and its oppressive security apparatuses – which have set Syria back decades, and made its honorable people one of the poorest in the region and in the world. They have strangled the freedoms, and 'taken captive' any who raised their voices to ask for [even] a minimum [of freedoms].
"I insist upon using the term 'captives' for any Syrian citizen, male or female, in the dungeons of the Assad regime, because the hope that reconciliation would follow the great dictator's death and his son's succession is lost. The current regime is 'hostile' towards the entire Syrian people, after exploiting every opportunity for an historic reconciliation that this noble people gave it. The Syrians in the dungeons are the captives of an element that is hostile to the people, to the homeland, and to all things humane, moral, and beautiful.
"Gaza has no mud schoolrooms, like those in many Syrian provinces. Gaza does not have 60 students in a single classroom. Even after Gaza was besieged, food is not scarce as it is in Syria, where many food products do not reach the markets except for those smuggled in across the Syria-Lebanon border. Gaza's Internet services are vastly superior to the pitiful Internet [services] in Syria. Gaza and the West Bank have no lists of hundreds of banned websites. Until Hamas came to power, Gaza's water and electricity situation was much better than that in Syria. The average [Gaza] Strip income is higher than Syria's. The tens of thousands of [government] employees who became unemployed after the Hamas coup still receive a regular salary. So who needs freedom flotillas more? The [Gaza] Strip residents, or the Syrian people?
"Prior to Hamas' Gaza takeover, various media outlets there expressed various and even contradictory opinions, and carried out their work with a reasonable measure of freedom. At that time, the media's criticism of the [Palestinian] Authority went uncensored. Satellite television channels, radio stations, magazines, and newspapers represented all of the various factions, including the independents.
"In Syria, at the same time, 'Ali Al-'Abdallah stood trial for an article he wrote from an Assad regime prison – where he was being held for expressing his opinions. So who needs the freedom flotillas more? The captive Syrian people, or the Gaza residents, who would never have known the oppression they suffer today if not for Hamas, which is supported by the Syrian and Iranian regimes?
"The Gaza residents were never massacred in prison like [prisoners were] in [2008 at] Sidnaya Prison and [in 1980] at Tadmor – or [in 1982] in the city of Hama. Their prime minister and interior minister were not assassinated, like Mahmoud Al-Zu'abi [in 2008] and Ghazi Kana'an. Gaza has no nefarious emergency laws like those that have been in force in Syria for 40 years. So who is more deserving of freedom flotillas, so that the world will notice the oppression, repression, and coercion under which they suffer?
"The Syrian people, led by a group of its own free sons and daughters, is today determined to throw off the dictatorship of the Assad [family], in order to build its homeland and the future of its sons, and to join the modern world – now that this gang has depleted the homeland's resources and castrated and trampled its citizens.
"Freedom flotillas sailing for the Syrian coast is the very least that the Syrian people needs – so that world's attention, and conscience, will be focused on [the people's] terrible suffering it is enduring under the oppressive lash of the Assad [regime]. Can anyone take the initiative? Or is no one interested...?"
« Last Edit: Feb 28, 2011, 12:11am by RabiaMuweis »
Presidents in the homelands they have a rule: Either we continue to heads, or to die Become the country as if it were a property inherited by the Son of the Father.
Praise their oppression and impoverishment of their people, and consider that poverty is a struggle and glory and consider removing intellectuals and patriots to protect their people from enemies and spies ,And no claim for any repair or improvement or freedom, to serve as a betrayal of greatness, are not permitted to speak to anyone for any civil rights. Because it does not sound louder than the voice of battle (but where the battle), and with whom???
Freedom for our children to live in peace and freedom of opinion and to enjoy the wealth of their land, and not a little from the remains of those ungrateful .
« Last Edit: Feb 28, 2011, 12:17am by RabiaMuweis »
Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #6 on Feb 28, 2011, 12:33am »
In relation to the educational system in (UAE), in which case the options available for all ', but we have no right to attend school-governmental organizations, and I think these schools are not mixed, for my daughters, they are attending a British school ,each school of freedom in their educational .Celebrating their festivals, national and religious (I do not mind the participation of my daughters in any activity for the school as an opportunity for rapprochement and get to know different cultures and I like to mention that school even if they are tracking a particular country, but children can attend any school he wants, could find a school system continued education of any state in Europe, Asia and America) and this is a good thing.
Appears to be a new Khomeini in the land of the Gulf
Prominent Bahraini opposition leader Hassan Mushaima has returned from self-imposed exile to the UK, greeted by a crowd of supporters at the airport.
Mr Mushaima, a senior Shia figure considered a radical by many, returned after the Bahraini government dropped charges against him, a move to appease protesters demanding changes. In another concession, the king sacked four government ministers.
Meanwhile, thousands of demonstrators marched in the capital, Manama, as protests continue for a 13th day.
Mr Mushaima is known for his strong opposition to the ruling Sunni dynasty, and was sentenced in absentia last year on charges of trying to overthrow the government.
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #8 on Mar 1, 2011, 1:03am »
Rabia,
I did not realize that Syria's system is so bad. I thought that the current Assad (a know he is a son of the previous president) is pretty tolerant. He did not even want to be a politician but a doctor. I remember that in the past Syria's politics was more pro-Soviet.
Referring to your daughters' education, it is good that they are in the British school. Do you have to pay for it? It is good if they would be able to continue education abroad if they would like. By the way, we also pay for Ela's school, but she has a good education there.
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #9 on Mar 1, 2011, 5:00am »
Yes of course we pay, because it is a private school(we pay for the school 66 000 dirhams, the equivalent 17971.80 USD ) but we are pleased that our children receive an excellent education and develop children's skills are wonderful, making us forget about the money , all residents are not entitled to attend to the public school it's only for the citizens Emiratis , as well as we do not wish to do so. Many people here are turning to British schools, and the U.S. even if they are from any country from Europe, although there are schools of Russian and French and Polish and Swedish and German and .......... a lot but are few in number.
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #11 on Mar 1, 2011, 5:22pm »
Rabia,
Important and interesting stories you tell us. I hope that the Protest movements from the Arab countries get support from the rest of the world. In the Netherlands there is a lot of news about the various countries, the protest movements, the dissidents en personal stories of the people who suffer from opression, humiliation and the lack of freedom under their regimes. There are Dutch Arabists and former diplomats who speak arab and know the reality of these countries. ANd ofcourse a lot of people with an Arab or Northern-African background live in the Netherlands. Especially Egyptians, but also Tunesians and Libyans.
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #13 on Mar 2, 2011, 7:31am »
Rabia,
this is amazing video! How was your schooling in Lebanon? How many years did you go to school? Did you go through the public education system?
I think I should not be amazed by a presence of so many Poles in Dubai and Arab countries since from time to time I hear about people, even the ones I used to know to move to Saudi Arabia and the region. The CEO of the company I worked for lives and works there
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Re: Revolutions of freedom, « Reply #14 on Mar 2, 2011, 8:55am »
Perhaps a noten and related thoughts to add.. For one as a constant: There is no action that is devoid of reaction...
For each of us as reasonable people, wish only to condone that action that is for the common good, for this is the wish of reasonable people of conscience.
What is occurring though, at this time, is the reaction of European and American military are and have approached the coast of currant effected areas caught up in this pan Arab situation. It is not a good hand of cards to hold. For at present, the match to touch off the fire storm, is quite easily struck.
We are currently reaching the end of a time for cease and hold, with little lost, but much to gain by those individuals of the common good. But, that time is becoming short in terms of non-stop in military intervention.
Knowledge is information that is fleeting in terms of importance and measured in value to the ownership of such. At present, the contents of this knowledge is not for common distribution, but only to the owners.
Freedom and Democracy are only words with various meanings to the individual dependent upon the receivers ability to comprehend.
It is a double edged sword dependent upon the holder of the handle.
What we as people are presently of witness in this particular third revolt, is the common good throwing off the chains of their past restraints owned by each respective government to then pass on to a new owner of the same chains? Is this what is being sought?
For the word of "Spontaneous" is quite very false. Their is a reasoning behind every action, and this pan Arab revolt is little different, what is hidden behind the obvious smoke screen, is the leadership for power. Nothing is for nothing,and the magnitude of this currant risk has behind it, a mind of ambition that is most admirable.
It is a given in reality, there will always be a given population that will always be in want. In relationship, there will always be a given population that is affluent. In as well, the smaller segment of population will always be in the arena of rule. For these are the central planners of the business conducted by the respective government. This is the reality.
Our future is what we make it to be, but, we must be careful for how we design and construct our future. For, it will then have the ability to bite its own master.
The following is surprisingly accurate for an American news site, but provides a good relationship between fact and reader understanding.
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