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Israeli soldier shot American activist in face wit « Thread Started on Mar 23, 2009, 6:32am »
An American activist who participated in a Palestinian 'solidarity' demonstration is in serious condition Saturday after an Israeli soldier shot him in the face with a high-velocity tear gas canister. He underwent surgery early Saturday.
Even as the rescue operation commenced, more tear gas rained down on the demonstrators as soldiers allegedly delayed ambulance access.
"Tristan Anderson, 38, of Oakland, Calif., was wounded Friday in the West Bank village of Naalin, during a protest against Israel's separation barrier," reported the Associated Press. "In the past year, four Palestinians have been killed and scores injured by Israeli troops putting down weekly stone-throwing protests against the barrier, which cuts off Naalin from 300 acres of olive groves."
"The Israeli soldiers were standing on the hill looking over us firing tear-gas canisters" Ulrike Anderson, who was with Tristan when he was hit, told the International Herald-Tribune. "Tristan was hit and fell to the ground. He had a large hole in the front of his head. I tried to stop the bleeding. He was bleeding heavily from the nose."
"Tristan was shot by the new tear-gas canisters that can be shot up to 500 meters," said Teah Lunqvist with the International Solidarity Movement, according to California's IndyBay. "I ran over as I saw someone had been shot, while the Israeli forces continued to fire tear-gas at us. When an ambulance came, the Israeli soldiers refused to allow the ambulance through the checkpoint just outside the village. After 5 minutes of arguing with the soldiers, the ambulance passed."
"Other ISM activists killed or injured by Israeli forces: Rachel Corrie, killed by a bulldozer in 2003; Brian Avery, shot in the face in 2003; and Tom Hurndall, shot to death in 2004," the site notes.
At the Berkeley Daily Planet, Tristan first became known as an environmentalist by sitting in trees to prevent their removal.
“He has worked extensively with Food Not Bombs,” Marcus Kryshka, one of Tristan's long-time friends, told the paper. “He was also heavily involved with the tree-sit.”
"Kryshka said one of the reasons for his trip to Israel 'was to engage in solidarity with the Palestinian protesters.'"
The Israeli army claimed protesters were throwing rocks at the troops.
"Anderson could very well die from his injuries," reported ABC. "And even if he does recover, his friends doubt he'll ever be the same, physically and mentally."
This video is from PalSolidarity.org, broadcast Mar. 13, 2009. It contains graphic images
Re: Israeli soldier shot American activist in face « Reply #1 on Mar 23, 2009, 12:43pm »
Rabia,
This is a terrible example what brutal attack can cause to human beings. In the Netherlands I have seen the power of a massive Police force during a student demonsration when the combined force of police forces of three Dutch cities became a sort of Riot Police Army in the summer of 1994. Mounted Police (horse brigade) and Police jeeps drover over peaceful protesting students, while masked left radical (anarchist squaters) elements hid behind the moderate students to throw their rockets, metal ropes and fire bombs at the police.
The police then fired tear gass, beat the innocents students with their bats, and used accesive violence. Hundreds of casualties were the result. Broken arms and legs, bloody noses, bleeding heads and bruises.
But that was nothing compared to what happens in Palestine on weekly or daily basis. No bats, but rubber bullets and sharp amunition, the new tear-gas canisters that can be shot up to 500 meters, and soldiers who must act like Police officers.
Rabin ordered his soldiers to break the arms and legs of the Palestinians in the first Intifada, today the Israeli Army, Border Police, secret service in the occupied territories (Shabak or Shin Beth) use the same methods, but with new develloped techniques of crowdcontrol, torture and opression. To be an opressor you have to opress your own humanity, emotions, feelings of empathy, ethical values and nerves.
Tough, Tougher, the Toughests! We are united, we are one people, we are the chosen ones, we unite religion, culture, politics, nationalism, militairism, ethnicity (ethnocentricty) in one ideology! In this way we can see the other as differant, dangerous, alien, inferior, invaders (not we are the invaders, but they are!), the enemy, a beast, a national threat, a problem that must be solved, and a burden in our hands and on "our territory".
They did not live here for hundreds or thousands of years, like some of us, but we have alonger claim on this land! The old testamony, praying to Jerusalem in the Diaspora for thousands of years. We have a devine right to this land, and they don't. Their democratic rights, religions, faith, social-cultural identity, politics, resistance, suffering, legal and human rights are unimportant for us!
Rabia, these last words were ofcourse meant to be read in an ironical and cynical intend, because I don't agree with it. I don't believe in the right of people to come back to an area and country after 2000 years alien to them and claim it, because they have a religious, ideological or ethnic-cultural claim on it! I see them as Germans (the Jeke's), Poles, Russians, Rumanians, Hungarians, Austrians, Americans, Dutch, Belgians, French, Italians, British, Canadians, Argentinians, Spanish, Portugese, Maroccan, Iraqi, Iranian, Lebanese, Yemenite, Ethiopian, and Syrian people. Because from all those country the Jewish immigrants came in the 19th and 20th century towards Palestine to form the Yishuv (the Jewish community before the establishment of Israel) and Israel after 1947! I see and artificial state, with a new language and culture, with people who kept the culture of the countries they came from and who are not united! Only the jews who lived in Israel and the Palestinian territories before the great immigrations of the 19th and 20th centuries, the Palestinian jews are in my view real Israelites, because they have centuries old roots in Palestine.
I don't believe in a two state solution, because two hostile states living next to eachother will bring no peace and prosperity. I think one Federal Jewish-Arab state will be beter. It does not matter if this state is called Israel or Palestine, Israestine, Palerael, Republic of Levant! I believe in a state for Jews, Arabs and Druze, one state for Muslims, jews and christians in which the three religions are respected and treated as equal!
Re: Israeli soldier shot American activist in face « Reply #2 on Mar 23, 2009, 7:30pm »
Dear people,
My previous post sounded anti-Israeli, but that is not my intend. I just wanted to show the Israeli blindness towards the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong in the Israeli society. If you immigrate to and area, ignore the original authentic population. We have to deal with generations of people whom lives have been destroyed, mutulated and twisted around by a conflicts that goes on for decades! Borth Israeli's and Palestinians are the victim of the vicious circle of violence and spiritual vermin. Palestinians humiliated by the ongoing Israeli militairy dictatorship in their territories. The Israeli's by the rocket attacks, suicide bombings and shooting accidents by the Palestinian militant fractions of Islamists, Palestinian Nationalists and Marxists.
The Arab world is in confusion themselves about who is the biggest enemy, Iran or Israel, because they fear both! The Israeli's and Iranians in their term fear the Sunni extremists and Arab seperatism and terrorism on their own soil, and both Iran and Isrtael opress Arab minorities. Israel even opresses it's own Arab jews!
Re: Israeli soldier shot American activist in face « Reply #3 on Mar 24, 2009, 12:59am »
The Arab world is in confusion themselves about who is the biggest enemy, Iran or Israel, because they fear both! The Israeli's and Iranians in their term fear the Sunni extremists and Arab seperatism and terrorism on their own soil, and both Iran and Isrtael opress Arab minorities. Israel even opresses it's own Arab jews!
Peter, we know from our enemy is Israel and Iran has now entered to compete with Israel's control of the region and Iran is not afraid of the Arabs, because it never knows that the Arabs have no Abort force and do not have any military arsenal and their weapons, rotten and not suitable for hunting birds, as well as Israel is a strong military. We are stuck between the two, the first dream of a Shiite Persian empire and the state of the second dream of Greater Israel, which starts from the Euphrates to the Nile, as the Israeli flag symbolize
My previous post sounded anti-Israeli, but that is not my intend. I just wanted to show the Israeli blindness towards the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong in the Israeli society. If you immigrate to and area, ignore the original authentic population. We have to deal with generations of people whom lives have been destroyed, mutulated and twisted around by a conflicts that goes on for decades! Borth Israeli's and Palestinians are the victim of the vicious circle of violence and spiritual vermin. Palestinians humiliated by the ongoing Israeli militairy dictatorship in their territories. The Israeli's by the rocket attacks, suicide bombings and shooting accidents by the Palestinian militant fractions of Islamists, Palestinian Nationalists and Marxists.
The Arab world is in confusion themselves about who is the biggest enemy, Iran or Israel, because they fear both! The Israeli's and Iranians in their term fear the Sunni extremists and Arab seperatism and terrorism on their own soil, and both Iran and Isrtael opress Arab minorities. Israel even opresses it's own Arab jews!
Pieter
Yes it did. While reading it I thought I will ask you if the children and grandchildren of newcomers to Netherlands are not Dutch But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin.
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Re: Israeli soldier shot American activist in face « Reply #7 on Mar 24, 2009, 6:23am »
By the way, , it is sad to watch as the forum is becoming yet another platform for one-sided criticism of US policies, Israeli policies. We should look for some participants from Cuba and Chile, to have a trans-national full spectrum of the fundamental critics of the present status quo. It would be interesting to watch it if it would have been something new. But it isn't. Same old story. "Let's leave Middle East to themselves' (which means let's leave it to the Russians and their friend Iran). 'Americans should leave Europe' is another boring exclamation (which means they should leave it to Germans and Russians). And as everywhere those with the strongest agenda are those who shout the loudest 'I HAVE NO AGENDA'. ZZZzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
My previous post sounded anti-Israeli, but that is not my intend. I just wanted to show the Israeli blindness towards the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong in the Israeli society. If you immigrate to and area, ignore the original authentic population. We have to deal with generations of people whom lives have been destroyed, mutulated and twisted around by a conflicts that goes on for decades! Borth Israeli's and Palestinians are the victim of the vicious circle of violence and spiritual vermin. Palestinians humiliated by the ongoing Israeli militairy dictatorship in their territories. The Israeli's by the rocket attacks, suicide bombings and shooting accidents by the Palestinian militant fractions of Islamists, Palestinian Nationalists and Marxists.
The Arab world is in confusion themselves about who is the biggest enemy, Iran or Israel, because they fear both! The Israeli's and Iranians in their term fear the Sunni extremists and Arab seperatism and terrorism on their own soil, and both Iran and Isrtael opress Arab minorities. Israel even opresses it's own Arab jews!
Pieter
Yes it did. While reading it I thought I will ask you if the children and grandchildren of newcomers to Netherlands are not Dutch But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin.
Tuftabis,
I have not written this that message in a sate of emotional arousel, but with a history of 27 years of following, reading about, examening the Milddle-east. After dousens of discussions with Diaspora jews (friends and strangers), Israeli's, Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Iranians, Dutch people and Poles inside and outside Poland. Reading encyclopedia's, files, American and European quality press and the Haaretz newsletter every day!
The view I expressed was extreme maybe, but there is a sincere message in my statement. Israel lies in the Middle-east, in an Arab environment. If it wants to have a future there it must treat it's neighbours and citizens (both Israeli-Arab and Arab-Jewish) better than it does. I don't want Israel wiped of the map, dismantled, boycotted, or that the country get placed in an isolated position. But Israel in my view is a country like any other country, with the same rights and the same duties and international rules that apply to other nations.
My wish, desire and hope is that both Israel and the Arab states will become more moderate, move towards the negocatiation table and start the real, long, tough, allmost impossible peace negociations, in which both sides must make difficult consessions.
My previous post sounded anti-Israeli, but that is not my intend. I just wanted to show the Israeli blindness towards the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong in the Israeli society. If you immigrate to and area, ignore the original authentic population. We have to deal with generations of people whom lives have been destroyed, mutulated and twisted around by a conflicts that goes on for decades! Borth Israeli's and Palestin-ians are the victim of the vicious circle of violence and spiritual vermin. Palestinians humiliated by the ongoing Israeli militairy dictatorship in their territories. The Israeli's by the rocket attacks, suicide bombings and shooting accidents by the Palestinian militant fractions of Islamists, Palestinian Nationalists and Marxists.
The Arab world is in confusion themselves about who is the biggest enemy, Iran or Israel, because they fear both! The Israeli's and Iranians in their term fear the Sunni extremists and Arab seperatism and terrorism on their own soil, and both Iran and Isrtael opress Arab minorities. Israel even opresses it's own Arab jews!
Pieter
Yes it did. While reading it I thought I will ask you if the children and grandchildren of newcomers to Netherlands are not Dutch But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin.
Tuftabis,
As a matter affect a lot of children and grandchildren of new-comers to Netherlands are not Dutch, because they keep behaving themselves as a differant group with a differant identity, as foreigners who segregate themselves, organising themselves as foreigners, migrants or allochtonen ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allochtoon ), and in that way not acting or participating in Dutch native circles, society and nation. It is as if they don't want to become part of the Netherlands, or maybe are not accepted as such, because they look differant, behave differantly and are differant? The same thing is happening in Belgium, Denmark, Germany, France and Great-Brittain. Turkish coffeehouses have a Turkish flag on the window, often have a portrait of the Turkish national symbol Ataturk, posters of Turkish football clubs and etc. They speak Turkish, have their Turkish mosque, amateur Turkish football clubs, Islamic Primary schools and cultural clubs and youth centres. The same with Maroccan and Kurds from differant nations. They are called or Allochtonen, or Turks, Maroccans or Turkish-Kurds, Iraqi-Kurds, Syrian-Kurds, Iranians, Iraqi's (if they are Sunni- or Shia Arab Iraqi's). There is even a differance between the people from our former colonies, the Dutch Antiles, Suriname or Indonesia and other immigrants, because many of these people came to the Netherlands before the Independance of their country, so they are colored Dutch! In a language puristic, culturally autonomous and Patriotic country as the Netherlands with it's introvert people with a North-West European (cold) culture it is very difficult for a foreigner to adabt to it and to become accepted. If it is even difficult for Germans (with their heavy accent), French (havey accent too), and Southern-Europeans to integrate, how difficult it must be for non-Western people with a Middle-eastern, African or Asian background! Like Israeli-Arabs in Israel, Middle-eastern jews in Tel Aviv, Kurds in Syria, Turkey and Arab parts of Iraq?
My previous post sounded anti-Israeli, but that is not my intend. I just wanted to show the Israeli blindness towards the fact that there is something fundamentally wrong in the Israeli society. If you immigrate to and area, ignore the original authentic population. We have to deal with generations of people whom lives have been destroyed, mutulated and twisted around by a conflicts that goes on for decades! Borth Israeli's and Palestinians are the victim of the vicious circle of violence and spiritual vermin. Palestinians humiliated by the ongoing Israeli militairy dictatorship in their territories. The Israeli's by the rocket attacks, suicide bombings and shooting accidents by the Palestinian militant fractions of Islamists, Palestinian Nationalists and Marxists.
The Arab world is in confusion themselves about who is the biggest enemy, Iran or Israel, because they fear both! The Israeli's and Iranians in their term fear the Sunni extremists and Arab seperatism and terrorism on their own soil, and both Iran and Isrtael opress Arab minorities. Israel even opresses it's own Arab jews!
Pieter
Yes it did. While reading it I thought I will ask you if the children and grandchildren of newcomers to Netherlands are not Dutch But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin.
Tufta,
I really think my mother should go back to Warszawa and Jaga back to Krakow!
Israel lies in the Middle-east, in an Arab environment. If it wants to have a future there it must treat it's neighbours and citizens (both Israeli-Arab and Arab-Jewish) better than it does. I don't want Israel wiped of the map, dismantled, boycotted, or that the country get placed in an isolated position. But Israel in my view is a country like any other country, with the same rights and the same duties and international rules that apply to other nations.
My wish, desire and hope is that both Israel and the Arab states will become more moderate, move towards the negocatiation table and start the real, long, tough, allmost impossible peace negociations, in which both sides must make difficult consessions.
Pieter
Pieter, I agreed with you previously when you said one of your posts sounded anti-Israeli. And I once again completely agree with what you have written above. I would only add Israel is not quite like any other countryin one respect. Compare Israel to Netherlands. You have only friends around, they don't.
Yes it did. While reading it I thought I will ask you if the children and grandchildren of newcomers to Netherlands are not Dutch But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin.
Tuftabis,
As a matter affect a lot of children and grandchildren of new-comers to Netherlands are not Dutch, because they keep behaving themselves as a differant group with a differant identity, as foreigners who segregate themselves, organising themselves as foreigners, migrants or allochtonen ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allochtoon ), and in that way not acting or participating in Dutch native circles, society and nation. It is as if they don't want to become part of the Netherlands,
Well, my personal view is if they don't want to become a loyal part of Dutch society some way should be found to stop such immigaration. But this is uncomparable situation to when someone was born in a country, or immigrated into it to become a loyal citizen of a legal state.
Yes it did. While reading it I thought I will ask you if the children and grandchildren of newcomers to Netherlands are not Dutch But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin.
Tufta,
I really think my mother should go back to Warszawa and Jaga back to Krakow!
Pieter
Well, if you joke that way it would mean you very well understand the weakest point in the post which sounded anti-Israeli
Re: Israeli soldier shot American activist in face « Reply #14 on Mar 24, 2009, 12:50pm »
Tuftabis,
I think in general you have an alienated and disturbed foreign underclass in Western-European countries, who will live for many generations in the West as "the others", like the impoverished Jewish masses in Russia, Lithunia, Ukraine, Belarus and Poland in the 18th, 19th and early 20th century in their Shtetl, Getto's, neighbourhoods and Villages. Many of them moved to the United States, to Germany, the Nehterlands and Israel (Palestine back then).
Next to this migrant underclass you also have a large social native (white European) underclass of unemployed, low educated, demoralised, weakened by the social security states (Uneployment benefits, no demands, settled in city area's and neighbourhoods with unemployment, crime, vandalism and defaitist atmospheres and cultures). Ofcourse the last example is only about bad parts of cities, and some towns, and is not representative or the general situation in my country or city. Integrated foreigners or immigrants also try to escape ethnic enclaves or city centre neighbourhoods and move to the "white (Caucasian)" subburbs or towns and villages in the environment of larger cities, without unemployment, crime, drugs, violence, vandalism, and the defaitist culture.
So it is more complicated than the distorched or simplified image I and some populist or simple minded press does us wants to believe! Immigrants very easy blame the Dutch society, people, press, politcs and (audio-visual) media as being racist, xenophobe, discriminating and closing doors for them. Dutch people sometimes to easily use old negative stereotypes of foreigners. Like me, I have a negative attitude towards Maroccans, while you have a very good Rotterdam mayor, Aboutaleb, Maroccan politicians, actors and actresses, doctors, bankers, butchers, students, police officers, public servants and etc. But I stick in my native Dutch negative image of these people! Maybe there is some element of Islamophobia, Xenophobia, a trace of Dutch Nationalism, ethnocentrism and intolerance in me! In the example of Israel and the discrimination of the Mizrachi Arab jews by the white European Ashkenazi jews, I recognise my Dutch attitude towards the Dutch Maroccans and Turks. Thinking and viewing them: They can only be bad, they are robers, rapists, use violence against women and want to Islamise my city and country. Rediculous maybe, but traces of that exist in me to, next to the liberal, humanist, cultivated, internationalist cosmopolitan I am too!
One human being is complicated, how about a whole people and humanity?
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But I understand you have written that message in a state of emotional arousal and then when the initial feelings subsided you have again saw the both sides of the coin. 