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Post by karl on Apr 7, 2017 7:22:25 GMT -7
Pieter
I was to watch the video with great interest, but needed to shut off the sound to watch it, chanting was getting on my nerves this morning...
Americans are some times a mystery, for in their greatness, then comes out of the closit, that which is not admirable. For one, the negros, for they are as American as whites, for then to call them African American seems odd and some what seems a bit race conscience. With their military, there is no reason to differentiate one from the other for black people dependant upon of course, the individual, would do as well as any American solder..
But then, my experience with black people is very limited, in this manner, perhaps I am a bit naive, if so, I do invite to be corrected.
Karl
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Apr 13, 2017 8:27:39 GMT -7
Did the USA and Soviet Union ever actually clash in WWII?I’m not talking friendly fire incidents, accidental artillery strikes, shots in the dark or anything like that. I’m talking actual planned combat against each other. Shawn Mitchell Yes, the only recorded clash between the two superpowers, happened on the 7th of November 1944 , over the city of Niš, Yugoslavia. Whilst on their way to Belgrade from Niš the 6th Guards Rifle Corps was suddenly strafed by 3 groups of American P-38 Lightnings. Killing 31, wounding 37 and the commander of the convoy being killed in the attack. The soviets then immediately responded with their aircraft, the Americans thinking the soviet Yaks(aircraft) are German shoot one down, noticing the huge red star on the side. The P-38s then realizing what they had just done pulled off and made a defensive circle over the city of Niš. The remaining soviet Yaks flew low over the city and shot at the P-38s from below, one P-38 going down in a ball of flames. The Americans then shot down yet another soviet Yak. The soviet reinforcements then arrived which resulted in a 15 minute air battle between the Yaks and P-38s. Estimates state that 5 American aircraft were downed, and 3 soviet aircraft. The United States apologized to the Soviet Union, the diplomatic situation never truly recovered.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jun 17, 2017 9:51:56 GMT -7
The Lost Army Of King Cambyses (Historical Mystery Documentary)
Published on Apr 19, 2017
While escaping the Egyptians 2,500 years ago, the Persian King Cambyses led his army into the desert and disappeared forever. Despite efforts in the 1930s to discover what happened to him, no clues were found until 1996 when a geologist stumbled on evidence by accident. The Egyptian authorities have suppressed news of these findings until now. The Lost Army Of King Cambyses returns to the site to uncover the truth.
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Post by karl on Jun 17, 2017 14:40:20 GMT -7
J.J.
Thank you for presenting, although some what disappointing with findings of the filmed expedition. For all that was recovered at the supposed site, was: Some human bones, arrow heads of common Persian origin was all that was uncovered. No smoking gun nor definitive evidence of the army of King Cambyses. Very disappointing, but simply not unusual. For the desert winds and sand will cover over a short time, all evidence of an event, then through the natural shift of time and wind, uncover in an unexpected event of a storm. That which was in past unseen, then to be shown to the human eye what was sought after.
It is the nature of the desert.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jun 18, 2017 2:54:22 GMT -7
John, interesting. These Soviet yaks were considered quite a dangerous nonsence in SIlesia when my mother lived. They had a clock and they were releasing the bombs according to the clock, without wondering aboit consequences. My mother's family neighbor was threw with her bed out of the room, and was killed just after giving birth to the baby that miraculously survived. Did the USA and Soviet Union ever actually clash in WWII?I’m not talking friendly fire incidents, accidental artillery strikes, shots in the dark or anything like that. I’m talking actual planned combat against each other. Shawn Mitchell Yes, the only recorded clash between the two superpowers, happened on the 7th of November 1944 , over the city of Niš, Yugoslavia. Whilst on their way to Belgrade from Niš the 6th Guards Rifle Corps was suddenly strafed by 3 groups of American P-38 Lightnings. Killing 31, wounding 37 and the commander of the convoy being killed in the attack. The soviets then immediately responded with their aircraft, the Americans thinking the soviet Yaks(aircraft) are German shoot one down, noticing the huge red star on the side. The P-38s then realizing what they had just done pulled off and made a defensive circle over the city of Niš. The remaining soviet Yaks flew low over the city and shot at the P-38s from below, one P-38 going down in a ball of flames. The Americans then shot down yet another soviet Yak. The soviet reinforcements then arrived which resulted in a 15 minute air battle between the Yaks and P-38s. Estimates state that 5 American aircraft were downed, and 3 soviet aircraft. The United States apologized to the Soviet Union, the diplomatic situation never truly recovered.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jun 21, 2017 4:39:38 GMT -7
Well, how about a little coffee up your nose this morning. I never would have guessed.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jun 21, 2017 10:57:24 GMT -7
The largest ethnic cleansing in history
Faces of Ancient Europe ~ ArianrhodJelena
The largest known example of ethnic cleansing in history.
In December 1944 Winston Churchill announced to a startled House of Commons that the Allies had decided to carry out the largest forced population transfer — or what is nowadays referred to as “ethnic cleansing” — in human history. A crime so great, so cruel, and so heinous, that none in the entire span of human history can equal it. The gates of hell were opened up. It is the ghastly truth of the orchestrated plundering, mass rape, mass murder, and subjugation of the German people in the latter days and aftermath of World War Two, which continues to this day.
As a result of the Second World War, an estimated 14 million ethnic Germans were stripped of their citizenship, land and property, and expelled from their ancestral lands in Eastern Europe, mostly lands formerly part of Germany that were stolen at the Versailles treaty following World War One. 14 million Germans were expelled from their homes in Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and other Eastern European countries after the war. Only 12 million were able to get to Germany alive. The tragedy of the expulsion of the German civilian population is hardly widely known except amongst Germans and historians. Seven to eight million Germans were expelled from parts of Poland that were actually German land ceded to Poland following WW1. Three million were expelled from portions of Czechoslovakia, primarily the Sudetenland. Some two million ethnic Germans living inside the Soviet Union were expelled, many to Siberian gulags. Around half a million from Hungary, 300,000 from Romania, and smaller numbers from Yugoslavia and other areas were also expelled. It is estimated that at least 2 million of those Germans were murdered or otherwise died as a result of these expulsions, with some estimates running as high as 6 million killed.
"Since the end of the war about 3,000,000 people, mostly women and children and overaged men, have been killed in eastern Germany and south-eastern Europe; about 15,000,000 people have been deported or had to flee from their homesteads and are on the road. About 25 per cent of these people, over 3,000,000 have died. About 4,000,000 men and women have been deported to eastern Europe and Russia as slaves. It seems that the elimination of the German population of eastern Europe – at least 15,000,000 people – was planned in accordance with decisions made at Yalta." - Senator Homer Capehart in a speech before U.S. Senate, Feb. 5, 1946.
The expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe was accompanied by large-scale organized violence, including the confiscation of property, placement in concentration camps and deportation – despite the fact that in August 1945, the Statute of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg declared deportation of peoples a crime against humanity.
In many cases Ethnic Germans being forcibly expelled were ordered on to trains, some packed with 80 people crammed into each cattle car without adequate (or, occasionally, any) food, water or heating, to be shipped to occupied Germany. After the Soviet Army moved out of Czechoslovakia, the Czech Army and civilians began the mass murder and expulsion of the 3 million ethnic Germans living mostly in northern and western Czechoslovakia. This was sanctioned by the Czech President and government, who openly called for the “liquidation” of the German population from Czechoslovakia. Thousands of Germans attempting to flee to the German border were dragged from trains and convoys and shot by the side of the road, and buried in mass graves.
The largest scale expulsion of the Germans occurred in Poland. By the end of the war millions Germans were expelled from the territory of this country. They were mostly concentrated in German territory granted to Poland in 1945: in Silesia (1.6 million people), Pomerania (1.8 million) and East Brandenburg (600 thousand), as well as in areas densely populated historically by Germans in Poland (about 400 thousand). Also, more than two million Germans living in East Prussia came under Soviet control.
Deutscher Exodus (Seewald Verlag), Gerhard Ziemer writes: "2,280,000 people were shot or beaten to death or died of hunger and exhaustion in the labor camps of the deportation process in the East."
"The number of victims of the expulsion never impacted on public awareness in the East or West. Even in Germany only a small minority is aware of it. It has not become a topic for journalism and the mass media like the victims of Fascism and the persecution of the Jews have."
The statistics and documentation of these monstrosities have remained unknown. Official German authorities do not mention or publicize them. Was it right to speak of “liberation” and then to eradicate entire population groups? To expel 15 million people from their homes?
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Post by karl on Jun 21, 2017 18:15:59 GMT -7
J.J.
Of the body of the presentation, my self have no argument with. Although some of the photographs were not of the story, but of Jewish people being prepared for transport to a designated death camp and do question the numbers of effected people.
In the manner of the word: Ethnic Cleansing, I do hold with great detestment of that word, for it is an excuse for out right murder of large numbers of people. With this a vehicle of revenge.
We as simply people, have not the ability to return to the past and change history, perhaps it is better to let the dead do their justice when their time comes.
Karl
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jul 19, 2017 5:38:59 GMT -7
Fifty years ago the American naval ship the USS Liberty was brutally attacked by Israeli aircraft. The attack on the Liberty was one of the worst assaults ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peace time – and committed by an allied country.
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Post by karl on Jul 19, 2017 9:34:51 GMT -7
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jul 25, 2017 9:00:25 GMT -7
I have always been interested in New Zealand and it's people. Here is a good documentary on their past history.
New Zealand Skeletons in the Cupboard Episode 1. The Red Heads
Skeletons in the Cupboard. Episode 2. Under The Carpet
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Post by pieter on Jul 25, 2017 10:53:28 GMT -7
The largest ethnic cleansing in history
Faces of Ancient Europe ~ ArianrhodJelena The largest known example of ethnic cleansing in history.In December 1944 Winston Churchill announced to a startled House of Commons that the Allies had decided to carry out the largest forced population transfer — or what is nowadays referred to as “ethnic cleansing” — in human history. A crime so great, so cruel, and so heinous, that none in the entire span of human history can equal it. The gates of hell were opened up. It is the ghastly truth of the orchestrated plundering, mass rape, mass murder, and subjugation of the German people in the latter days and aftermath of World War Two, which continues to this day. As a result of the Second World War, an estimated 14 million ethnic Germans were stripped of their citizenship, land and property, and expelled from their ancestral lands in Eastern Europe, mostly lands formerly part of Germany that were stolen at the Versailles treaty following World War One. 14 million Germans were expelled from their homes in Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and other Eastern European countries after the war. Only 12 million were able to get to Germany alive. The tragedy of the expulsion of the German civilian population is hardly widely known except amongst Germans and historians. Seven to eight million Germans were expelled from parts of Poland that were actually German land ceded to Poland following WW1. Three million were expelled from portions of Czechoslovakia, primarily the Sudetenland. Some two million ethnic Germans living inside the Soviet Union were expelled, many to Siberian gulags. Around half a million from Hungary, 300,000 from Romania, and smaller numbers from Yugoslavia and other areas were also expelled. It is estimated that at least 2 million of those Germans were murdered or otherwise died as a result of these expulsions, with some estimates running as high as 6 million killed. "Since the end of the war about 3,000,000 people, mostly women and children and overaged men, have been killed in eastern Germany and south-eastern Europe; about 15,000,000 people have been deported or had to flee from their homesteads and are on the road. About 25 per cent of these people, over 3,000,000 have died. About 4,000,000 men and women have been deported to eastern Europe and Russia as slaves. It seems that the elimination of the German population of eastern Europe – at least 15,000,000 people – was planned in accordance with decisions made at Yalta." - Senator Homer Capehart in a speech before U.S. Senate, Feb. 5, 1946. The expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe was accompanied by large-scale organized violence, including the confiscation of property, placement in concentration camps and deportation – despite the fact that in August 1945, the Statute of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg declared deportation of peoples a crime against humanity. In many cases Ethnic Germans being forcibly expelled were ordered on to trains, some packed with 80 people crammed into each cattle car without adequate (or, occasionally, any) food, water or heating, to be shipped to occupied Germany. After the Soviet Army moved out of Czechoslovakia, the Czech Army and civilians began the mass murder and expulsion of the 3 million ethnic Germans living mostly in northern and western Czechoslovakia. This was sanctioned by the Czech President and government, who openly called for the “liquidation” of the German population from Czechoslovakia. Thousands of Germans attempting to flee to the German border were dragged from trains and convoys and shot by the side of the road, and buried in mass graves. The largest scale expulsion of the Germans occurred in Poland. By the end of the war millions Germans were expelled from the territory of this country. They were mostly concentrated in German territory granted to Poland in 1945: in Silesia (1.6 million people), Pomerania (1.8 million) and East Brandenburg (600 thousand), as well as in areas densely populated historically by Germans in Poland (about 400 thousand). Also, more than two million Germans living in East Prussia came under Soviet control. Deutscher Exodus (Seewald Verlag), Gerhard Ziemer writes: "2,280,000 people were shot or beaten to death or died of hunger and exhaustion in the labor camps of the deportation process in the East." "The number of victims of the expulsion never impacted on public awareness in the East or West. Even in Germany only a small minority is aware of it. It has not become a topic for journalism and the mass media like the victims of Fascism and the persecution of the Jews have." The statistics and documentation of these monstrosities have remained unknown. Official German authorities do not mention or publicize them. Was it right to speak of “liberation” and then to eradicate entire population groups? To expel 15 million people from their homes?
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Post by pieter on Jul 25, 2017 11:17:43 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 25, 2017 12:21:58 GMT -7
Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50)After World War II the German populations were largely expelled from Czechoslovakia and Poland, making the distribution of German-speaking people more nearly coincidental with the boundaries of the German state, although Austria and German-speaking Switzerland still remained outside. Germany received more than 12 million refugees and expellees from former German territory east of the Oder and from areas with substantial German ethnic populations in central and eastern Europe. During the later stages of World War II and the post-war period, German citizens and people of German ancestry were expelled from various Eastern European countries and sent to the remaining territory of Germany and Austria. After 1950, some emigrated to the United States, Australia, and other countries from there. The areas affected included the former eastern territories of Germany, which were annexed by Poland and the Soviet Union after the war, as well as Germans who were living within the prewar borders of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and the Baltic States. The Nazis had made plans—only partially completed before the Nazi defeat—to remove many Slavic and Jewish people from Eastern Europe and settle the area with Germans. The post war expulsion of the Germans formed a major part of the geopolitical and ethnic reconfiguration of Eastern Europe in the aftermath of World War II, that attempted to create ethnically homogeneous nations within redefined borders. Between 1944 and 1948 about 31 million people, including ethnic Germans ('Volksdeutsche') as well as German citizens ('Reichsdeutsche'), were permanently or temporarily moved from Central and Eastern Europe. By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14 million, including ethnic German migrants to Germany after 1950 and the children born to expelled parents. The largest numbers came from preexisting German territories ceded to Poland and the Soviet Union (about 7 million), and from Czechoslovakia (about 3 million). During the Cold War, the West German government also counted as expellees 1 million foreign colonists settled in territories conquered by Nazi Germany during World War II. German refugees in East-Prussia, early 1945The death toll attributable to the flight and expulsions is disputed, with estimates ranging from 500,000, up to a West German demographic estimate from the 1950s of over 2 million. More recent estimates by some historians put the total at 500-600,000 attested deaths; they maintain that the West German government figures lack adequate support and that during the Cold War the higher figures were used for political propaganda. The German Historical Museum puts the figure at 600,000, maintaining that the figure of 2 million deaths in the previous government studies cannot be supported. The current official position of the German government is that the death toll resulting from the flight and expulsions ranged from 2 to 2.5 million civilians. The removals occurred in three overlapping phases, the first of which was the organized evacuation of ethnic Germans by the Nazi government in the face of the advancing Red Army, from mid-1944 to early 1945. The second phase was the disorganised fleeing of ethnic Germans immediately following the Wehrmacht's defeat. The third phase was a more organised expulsion following the Allied leaders' Potsdam Agreement, which redefined the Central European borders and approved expulsions of ethnic Germans from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Many German civilians were sent to internment and labour camps where they were used as forced labour as part of German reparations to countries in eastern Europe. The major expulsions were complete in 1950. Estimates for the total number of people of German ancestry still living in Central and Eastern Europe in 1950 range from 700,000 to 2.7 million. German refugee women is cooking. The misery of the German refugees was huge. Many of them had to flee hundreds or even thousands of miles, by foot, primitive and vulnerable wagons, and under the harsh winter conditions of winter (Central- and Eastern-European continental climate), hunger and thurst, or the autumn mud or summer heat, made their life miserable, harsh and unbearable. Still many made it to East-Germany, West-Germany, Austria and some of them to the USA, Canada or Australia. The fate of many German women and girls was terrible. Very sad, very sad.
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Post by karl on Jul 25, 2017 15:19:17 GMT -7
How should I say, how should I reply, how should I reason for some thing that is unreasonable? One side of my self, speaks of forgiveness to the abusers for they were acting out their reasons rather for self inrichment or for the war time destruction they them selves suffered under, to then take it out on people with no means to protect them selves. Whilst as above, but, not of the German mind set,but the viking mindset of my ancestors. Not forgiveness, but to return with the sword to return like for like with a vengence of destruction. For this reason, in past times of kings and kingdoms, all the conquired royal families were killed, to the last youngster. For in time when that youngster was to grow up to be a man, he would/will return with a vengence against those that destroyed his former family and retake the kingdom that was to be his by birthright. To use a word such as: Ethic Cleansing: is simply a lie to make it easier for the speaker to describe murder by genocide. For those responsible for such words, needs be a visit to Hell to see how hot the fires are. The following url is an American source, but at least with a grain of truth.. www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/03/the-forgotten-story-of-when-the-germans-were-the-refugees/?utm_term=.76205f228a7fThis is the reality of life. But to live by the sword, one must agree to the black angel of death, to die as once lived. Karl
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