Post by mountainview800 on Nov 17, 2011 21:52:11 GMT -7
For the record, Seth Meyers works for Late Night NBC-TV which has pushed subhuman intelligence jokes about Polish people for decades. Unfortunately their is an element of anti-Polish Bigots at NBC-TV who are bent on conditioning the American people with anti-Polish propaganda in an attempt to make the American people have the same anti-Polish prejudice that they have.
This is probably why NBC-TV hired an anti-Polish Bigot like Seth Meyers to make anti-Polish insult jokes.
But the dirty little secret that anti-Polish TV Bigots don't want the public to know, is that they are pushing a NAZI stereotype about Polish people.
These "Polish jokes" are very similar to the jokes Hitler made about Polish people.
Post by mountainview800 on Nov 17, 2011 22:02:50 GMT -7
Here is a little background on Hitler's insult jokes about the Polish. Hitler regarded the Polish people as a subhuman race with subhuman intelligence. Hilter loved his subhuman intelligence jokes about the Polish people.
Hitler’s Two Speeches after Invading Poland (parts of speeches)
From Hitler’s speech of Sept. 19, 1939 in Danzig (Gdansk Poland):
At this moment we want to give the Polish soldier absolute justice. At many points the Pole fought bravely. His lower leadership made desperate efforts, his middle-grade leadership was too unintelligent, his highest leadership was bad, judged by any standard. His organization was — POLISH...
Note: What Hitler fails to talk about is the tremendous help Nazi Germany got from Soviet Russia in invading Poland. Soviet Russia provided Nazi Germany millions of tons of war aid to be used in Germany’s invasion of Poland as per the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement between Germany and Soviet Russia. Of course Hitler didn’t talk about that or how Polish troops held the Germans back well until Nazi Germany’s ally Russia attacked Poland from the Eastern side.
From Hitler’s speech of Oct 6, 1939:
Towns as well as villages are in a state of neglect. The roads, with very few exceptions, are badly out of repair and in a terrible condition. Anyone who travels in that country for two or three weeks will get the proper idea of the classical German term 'Polnische Wirtschaft,' meaning a 'POLISH state of affairs!'
What Hitler failed to say in his speeches about Poland is that much of the problems Poland had in the early part of the 20th century was because of Poland being destroyed and pushed off the map from 1795-1917 by Germany and Russia.
Poland was basically licking its wounds and catching its breath in the early part of the 20th Century when it was back on the map.
But as for Seth Meyers......hmmmmm.......its amazing how he used the word POLISH in a way very similar to the way Hitler used it.
Is this why some people joke about how NBC-TV stands for NAZI BROADCASTING CORPORATION-TV??
I think Polish jokes were older than Nazi propaganda. They were a consequence of huge immigration wave from Poland in the beginning of XX century and the end of XIX century. Majority of immigrants came from farmland and the mountains. They looked differently, spoke another language and had a limited education.
Post by mountainview800 on Nov 18, 2011 14:52:30 GMT -7
You are correct that Polish jokes in the US, as in the common anti-immigrant jokes that targeted all major ethnic groups coming into the USA, existed before Nazi Germany. But those Polish jokes were somewhat different then the malicious Polish jokes coming out of WWII and then out of Hollywood/NBC-TV in the 1960's.
Those Polish jokes were about Poles having a thick accent, eating too much Kielbasa, having hard to pronounce long last names, and being uneducated, etc. Actually not too different then stereotypes about other ethnic groups coming into the US. Even the Germans coming into the US were stereotyped as being "too backward to assimilate into the US".
It is true that in Germany, before Nazi Germany, there were Polish jokes that focused on Polish people's "inferior intelligence". That was common in Bismarck's time and then the Nazis went crazy with these inferior intelligence jokes for Nazi propaganda purposes against Poland.
But at least with the Nazi Germans I can at least find it somewhat understandable that they would push them against Poland since they saw Poland as an adversary and went to war with Poland.
Every nation that goes to war with another nation has propaganda against that nation.
What is odd is when NBC-TV and Hollywood push them against Polish people. They are just being malicious against Polish people like the Polish American Guardian Society has said.
The Italians were mocked as having inferior intelligence and so were the Irish. So why doesn't NBC-TV keep pushing an inferior intelligence stereotype against them? About 90 years ago they used to say "Irish and dogs need not apply" and had said the Irish had the intelligence of "white monkeys".
A big part of the negative stereotyping in the US about Polish people has little to do with the Polish people and mostly to do with elements of the media that are anti-Polish.
Some will say that stereotypes about Polish people having "inferior intelligence" came from their assimilation problems into the US (which also affected all other ethnic groups) and THAT IS WHY there are jokes about Polish people having inferior intelligence.
Well then why was there a SURGE in "Polish jokes" in the 1960's and 1970's??? Was it because Polish people all across the US were all of a sudden doing stupid things? Even in parts of the US where there were NO Polish people??
No, it was because of Network TV like NBC-TV and CBS-TV pushing out negative use of the word POLISH.
When Americans in the 1960's and 1970's all across the US are saying the SAME Polish joke, its not because Polish people did something that prompted that. It because that's what Americans saw on NATIONAL TV about Polish people.
Its part of the anti-Polish Bigots in the media trying to CONDITION Americans to have the same anti-Polish prejudice that they have.
A perfect example is the "Polish Sully" situation.
Here is a nice story about a highly intelligent and highly skilled Polish pilot who saves hundreds of people.
When most people read this story in fair minded media (that isn't anti-Polish) they get a good impression of Polish people.
But then the anti-Polish element of the media, like a certain part of NBC-TV/Seth Meyers comes along and takes a FACTUALLY POSITIVE story about Polish people and then uses insult humor to implant into the minds of the American people a NEGATIVE image of Polish people.
Basically Seth Meyers pushed anti-Polish propaganda into the minds of the 5 million people who watched that show that night.
That's a perfect example of what has been done to Polish people by a certain element of the media for over 4 decades.
My parents said when they were growing up in the 50's, that they never heard any of these degrading jokes about Polish people having inferior intelligence. But then in the 1960's there were Polish jokes all over the place where Americans were basically repeating the same Polish jokes they SAW ON TV and in movies.
In the 1970's all of the sudden the stereotype of the "MEATHEAD DUMB POLACK" was all over the US. Now there is no way Polish people assimilated into the US in the 1970's in such a way where Americans felt the need to call them SPECIFICALLY "MEATHEAD DUMB POLACKS".
No this specific negative image of Polish people came from the idiot show "All in the Family" where there was a lot of dialogue of "MEATHEAD DUMB POLACK" going into the minds of 40 million people per show.
Even though the producer of the show "All in the Family" claimed it was supposed to be "against ethnic bigotry" many say that was a ruse and actually the show promoted ethnic bigotry. Mostly against Polish people.
TV imagery is EXTREMELY powerful in shaping people's opinions on anything. Unfortunately for Polish people, it has been used to attack the image of Polish people since the 1960's.