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Post by Jaga on Jun 7, 2012 13:39:30 GMT -7
This woman writes in New York Times. She stated that Poles were compliocit in killing 3 mln Jews referring to Obama misstatement. If you would like to show your outrage go to her blog: www.facebook.com/debbiesfanpage#!/debbiesfanpage/info press "like" and add the negative comment or report her website to the facebook management. Some comments are rude but Debbie's comments are outrageous and bad. Here is what she wrote about people who criticize her: All Polish Jew-haters GET OFF my fan page. I know you like to deny that you helped the Nazis murder 3 million Polish Jews after centuries of pogroms you committed against them. But lie about it somewhere else. I am deleting you. If you cannot comment on the topic of the post and refrain from anti-Semitic, violent, depraved sexual comments, YOU. ARE. NOT. WELCOME. HERE. This ain't Auschwitz . . . or even the Warsaw Ghetto. Go away. |
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Post by Jaga on Jun 7, 2012 13:40:29 GMT -7
she is also very anti-islam oriented.
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Post by karl on Jun 7, 2012 15:40:21 GMT -7
Jaga I was to check the site of Schlusser. It is very child like with considerable nonsense. If she has proper complaint then for her to please address to: www.mossad.gov.il/default.aspxKarl |
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Post by Jaga on Jun 8, 2012 0:23:56 GMT -7
Karl, thanks fro checking the website. Here is one of the replies that makes sense:
Come on, give a break. In USA plenty of morons actually want to teach children in schools that creationism is better answer than theory of evolution. Their primary schools are crap and average american teenager is MUCH LESS educated than average Polish teenager. Add to this the nonsense of "USA is the BEST COUNTRY EVAH!" (while almost all various statistics place USA certainly NOT in the top), Debbie's ignorance and hatred for other cultures (her anti-muslim and anti-polish behaviour) and you'll end up with this kind of sad creature. She's stupid, but too ignorant to be aware of it. She thinks that her version of history is true and she'll defend it to the death (and find plenty of followers - as dumb and ignorant as she is). Of course - there were Poles during WWII and after WWII who did terrible things to the Jews, but AMONG NATIONS THAT SUFFERED NAZI OCCUPATION POLES WERE THE MOST RIGHTEOUS. Blaming Poles for "millions of deaths" is an utter nonsense. Poles also received the MAJORITY of Jewish awards given to those who saved Jews during war. It means that MORE POLES THAN ANYONE ELSE protected Jews risking their lives. Also in Poland the Home Army organized a special ORGANIZATION DEVOTED TO RESCUING JEWS. And it was Poles who VOLUNTARILY WENT TO GHETTO AND AUSCHWITZ to see what's happening there and inform ignorant western leaders about holocaust.
Even Americans slowly begin to understand that their nation's historical knowledge is on very low level and many Americans are deeply ignorant and uneducated. Questions "for what movie they built this castle?" are very commonly associated with a typical American tourist.
But she is a typical hypocrite. "Poles are pathetic murderers", while "USA is THE BEST COUNTRY ON EARTH". Country that:
- massacred Native Americans and forced them to live in reservations.
- for many years used Africans as SLAVE LABOR.
- as late as second half of XX century had RACIAL SEGREGATION.
- is responsible for millions of deaths worldwide - IRAQ, VIETNAM, CENTRAL AMERICA ETC.
It's simply pathetic.
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Post by pieter on Jun 8, 2012 2:24:48 GMT -7
Jaga I was to check the site of Schlusser. It is very child like with considerable nonsense. If she has proper complaint then for her to please address to: www.mossad.gov.il/default.aspxKarl Jaga and Karl, I think that in reality the Polish-Jewish relationship and the relationship between Poland and Israel is exellent. In fact Israel stated several times that Poland was one of the few European states that stood behind Israel in recent years. The jewish community in Poland is growing, you have the anual Jewish festival in Kazimierz in Krakow Poland and there are even pilgrimage sites in Poland that attract Orthodox jews (you have such a site in Ukraine too) Poland has good ties with both the Israeli's and the Palestinians. And due to old ties from the peoples republic of Poland, when many Polish engineers and other professionals lived and worked in Arab and North-African countries, the ties with the Arab world are good too. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Jun 8, 2012 6:57:47 GMT -7
Debbie Schlusser is in my opinion a typical example of a person who delivers extreme statements and who thrives on hate mail and negative attention. In my opinion she only represents a certain fringe of anti-Polonist American jews, American Protestants and Israeli's. Anti-Polonism, anti-catholicism and an old aversion against immigration or the presence of Slav people of Central- and Eastern Europe go hand in hand here.
Remember the anti-immigrant sentiments in the late 19th century and early 20th centiry in the USA against the Slav and jewish immigrants from Poland, Ukraine, Russia, White Russia, the Baltic states and other slav countries with their Roman-Catholic and Eastern-Orthodox faiths. The white Anglo-saxon majoirity did not like them and protested against their arrival and anti-immigrant sentiments rose high.
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Post by karl on Jun 8, 2012 10:22:24 GMT -7
Debbie Schlusser is in my opinion a typical example of a person who delivers extreme statements and who thrives on hate mail and negative attention. In my opinion she only represents a certain fringe of anti-Polonist American jews, American Protestants and Israeli's. Anti-Polonism, anti-catholicism and an old aversion against immigration or the presence of Slav people of Central- and Eastern Europe go hand in hand here. Remember the anti-immigrant sentiments in the late 19th century and early 20th centiry in the USA against the Slav and jewish immigrants from Poland, Ukraine, Russia, White Russia, the Baltic states and other slav countries with their Roman-Catholic and Eastern-Orthodox faiths. The white Anglo-saxon majoirity did not like them and protested against their arrival and anti-immigrant sentiments rose high. Pieter As a hesitation as not to appear to be over adherence to a fellow European. But, the fact remains, I do agree with you in your assessment of this Miss Schlusser. She appears as an American, to know every thing European, and in the end, she knows very little other then what she has been told and reads. The lady is a loose cannon, seeking a live audience to elevate her self at the expense of the subject people she is expounding upon. I am sorry, she was very evident in the first, as not trust worthy. Let her feed the stupid with her nonsense and leave us in peace. Perhaps I will eat my words,,,will not be the first time,,,,but, I think perhaps I will eat very well this time.. Karl |
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Post by PolishMama on Jun 8, 2012 11:31:31 GMT -7
What is clarifying with her post is this: NYTimes has had a reputation for using the words Polish Death Camps and Polish Concentration Camps for several years now. Suddenly, we find out SHE is one of their writers. And we find out how she feels about those phrases. Suddenly, NYTimes looks really really bad with this.
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Post by PolishMama on Jun 8, 2012 11:35:57 GMT -7
Also, she didn't exactly call us complicate. Well, she did, but she basically dumped the full responsibility of the Holocaust on Poland, not Germany.
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Post by pieter on Jun 8, 2012 12:21:36 GMT -7
PolishMama,
Unfortunately there are stupid ignorant people in the world, who want to maintain old stereotypes, falsify facts and thus distorch the truth. Fortunately there are other American and European jews who do not agree with her. I know a few of them in my country. Jews with a positive view and even interest in Poland. I am sad that the New York Times is connected to this issue, because I loved to read the newspaper in New York and in the Netherlands whn I have to opportuntity to read one.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by karl on Jun 8, 2012 13:24:31 GMT -7
Also, she didn't exactly call us complicate. Well, she did, but she basically dumped the full responsibility of the Holocaust on Poland, not Germany. Kasia It is good you have the capacity of understanding. For with understanding though, comes the responsibility of knowledge, the question? Are you able to confront Knowledge as a responsibility? Yes, I know responsibility as a person and as one of many of us as the inheritors of the world our fore fathers left to us to confront and over take...Yes, as German, I/we know what our government was responsible for, yes we/I know the guilt that follows the gallows of the dead. We as German survivors of our fathers, know truth: You may hold your hand into the wind, but you will never stop the wind. We know we may shoot up into the sky, but we never will hit the sky. {your self, Pieter, Jaga} hold not any responsibility to the death camps our nation placed into Poland, for we know that. The remainder of the known world may not acknowledge this fact, but to them will lay the guilt of knowledge. The lady of responsibility as {Schlusser} is a charlatan, a protrayer of false hood to fit which ever stance she so wishes to be. For this lady as her profession, wishes to generate income from the sensitivity and emotions of others, she is a vampyre of the worse. For the vampyre wishes for blood to continue hers/his life cycle. This type of vampyre lives off the blood of emotion of others for money. Or, perhaps I am singing once again in the wrong choir and in the wrong book.. Karl |
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Post by PolishMama on Jun 10, 2012 11:23:18 GMT -7
I understand what you are saying, Karl. She is, of course, drawing revenue from ad exposure on her site and is also able to charge more money for freeland writing works because of this controversy she stirred.
I do not look at Germans as evil, rather that a terrible thing happened in our shared history which was done by a large number of Germans. I love the analogy of the wind, btw. It's true, Germans own what their fathers/grandfathers did. It's an important and difficult thing to do. To have others distort that is just wrong.
Hugs to you, and peace to the world, including Germany. The world is changing, healing, progressing together. May it continue to do so.
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Post by Bob S on Aug 30, 2012 19:31:06 GMT -7
 Jaga,et al in this forum I must admit that I have never read or seen this woman's writings. What I have seen in this topic is everyone throwing nasty words, barbs and arrows her way because of what she wrote. You can sink to her level by calling her nasty names, calling her writings and herself nasty words etc. etc. The idea is to not sink to her level but to rise above it. The way to do this is to laugh at and mock her and her writings. It looks like the writting was done to provoke the response she wanted to receive. If you laugh at and mock her writing you will give her the response she did not expect. Now I might call her ignorant but that gives the ignorant a bad name (ignorance is just the lack of knowledge) rather, use stupid.
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Post by karl on Aug 31, 2012 14:17:40 GMT -7
Jaga,et al in this forum I must admit that I have never read or seen this woman's writings. What I have seen in this topic is everyone throwing nasty words, barbs and arrows her way because of what she wrote. You can sink to her level by calling her nasty names, calling her writings and herself nasty words etc. etc. The idea is to not sink to her level but to rise above it. The way to do this is to laugh at and mock her and her writings. It looks like the writting was done to provoke the response she wanted to receive. If you laugh at and mock her writing you will give her the response she did not expect. Now I might call her ignorant but that gives the ignorant a bad name (ignorance is just the lack of knowledge) rather, use stupid. Bob Very well put....Ignorance is kin to stupid if acted upon, but I think perhaps that lady in question is perhaps in a state of confusion: For she belives stupidity as a virtue? Or, pehaps she is cashing the cheques earnt with irritating us  Karl |
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