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Post by Nictoshek on Jul 2, 2013 3:58:11 GMT -7
Woke up in the middle of the night singing the Polish National Anthem at the top of my voice. Problem was....I didn't know half the words. Some dream.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jul 2, 2013 5:05:22 GMT -7
Woke up in the middle of the night singing the Polish National Anthem at the top of my voice. Problem was....I didn't know half the words. Some dream. That is the first time in my entire 71 years that I heard the whole version. Thank you Nictoe !!!!
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2013 10:38:16 GMT -7
Nice song and more Patriotic and logic than the song of my country: They translated it wrongly: The real translation is: " William of Nassau, Am I, of German Blood." And later in the song: " The King of Spain, I have always honoured." Two foreign and former enemies play a central role in our National anthem, which in the same time is seen as a Patriotic (or) Nationalistic song. The Nazi's prohibited it during the war and you could be in prison, tortured or killed if you sang it. The Polish anthem is more logical, and close related to the National feelings and aspirations of the country. Many Dutch don't like to sing ' Am I of German blood' (and there is a lot of German blood in the Orange Royal family, more German than Dutch I would say) and they certainly weren't fond of the Spanish King Philip the Second. Maybe William of Orange (German) did, but the Dutch who fought a bloody 80 years war with Spain didn't. The beautiful Polish anthem describes Polish history well and is connected to the spirit of Independence of today. That's why I like it. P.S.- I wouldn't be able to sing the entire Dutch anthem. I only know a few parts. (Dutch aren't that fond of singing the national anthem like the Americans do)
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2013 10:54:49 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Jul 7, 2013 9:53:01 GMT -7
Pieter,
interesting are the words of Dutch anthem with words about King of Spain and Prince of Orange. It sounds like religious hymn. Nice that one can see Dutch and English.
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Post by pieter on Jul 7, 2013 16:29:23 GMT -7
Pieter, Interesting are the words of Dutch anthem with words about King of Spain and Prince of Orange. It sounds like religious hymn. Nice that one can see Dutch and English. Jaga, I think you are right to a certain degree. The Dutch National anthem was written in a Calvinist period, in which Crown, faith and fatherland were closely connected. The Dutch Royal family was and is the head of the Dutch Reformed Church in the past and the Protestant Church in the Netherlands (PKN) today. The most ardent Monarchists were Dutch Calvinists Protestants, who saw the Orange kings and queens as appointed by and followers of God, their christian God. Often christian speeches by the Queen had both an ethical-social and a christian message! The way the song is sung by this choir sounds like a church choir. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jul 7, 2013 17:12:46 GMT -7
William I(born April 24, 1533, Dillenburg, Nassau in Hesse, Germany. died July 10, 1584, Delft, the Netherlands) First stadtholder of the United Provinces of the Netherlands (157284). Son of William, count of Nassau-Dillenburg, he inherited the principality of Orange and other vast estates from his cousin in 1544. He was educated at the Habsburg imperial court in Brussels, then appointed by Philip II to the council of state ( 1555). William I shows a paintings to Philip II in Brussels. The Spanish king, Philip II, was a very strict, dogmatic and orthodox Roman-Catholic (fundamentalist in today terms). In this film fragment he says: "I have been invited everywhere with hollow words, exaggerated speeches, trumpet resounds and honor gates. But I don't give a d**n about that fake pomp and circumstance. We are on this earth in the first place to serve God. [William of Orange/William I replies:] The (Dutch) nobility is very pious, I can assure you. [Phillip II responds:] Hardly anyone is willing to put his life in the service of religion. My father [Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor] thinks highly of you. I do not doubt the correctness of his judgement, but I want to gain my personal experiance with people before I put my trust in them. I can't give important administrative positions to the members of the nobility, who allow themselves to engage in profligate excesses. [Williams answer is] My only ambition is to serve my king and the Holy Roman Empire. [Phillip II] I am a cautious man, if your loyalty is really that large, then I shall rely on you in the future. William I helped negotiate the Treaty of Cateau-Cambrsis, earning his byname for keeping silent about secret policy decisions, and was named stadtholder ( governor) in Holland, Zeeland, and Utrecht in 1559. Increasingly opposed to Philip's strict ordinances against Protestants, he led a revolt in 1568 that proved unsuccessful, but in 1572 he succeeded in uniting the northern provinces. He was proclaimed their stadtholder, and his position was solidified by the Pacification of Ghent ( 1576). He sought help from France in the revolt against Spain, and in 1579 he was outlawed by Philip. A reward was offered for his assassination, and in 1584 he was shot by a fanatical French Catholic, Balthasar Gérard. The Catholic Frenchman Balthasar Gérard (born 1557) was a supporter of Philip II, and in his opinion, William of Orange had betrayed the Spanish king and the Catholic religion. After Philip II declared William an outlaw and promised a reward of 25,000 crowns for his assassination, and of which Gérard learned in 1581, he decided to travel to the Netherlands to kill William. He served in the army of the governor of Luxembourg, Peter Ernst I von Mansfeld-Vorderort, for two years, hoping to get close to William when the armies met. This never happened, and Gérard left the army in 1584. He went to the Duke of Parma to present his plans, but the Duke was unimpressed. In May 1584, he presented himself to William as a French nobleman, and gave him the seal of the Count of Mansfelt. This seal would allow forgeries of the messages of Mansfelt to be made. William sent Gérard back to France to pass the seal on to his French allies. Gérard returned in July, having bought pistols on his return voyage. On 10 July, he made an appointment with William of Orange in his home in Delft, nowadays known as the Prinsenhof. That day, William was having dinner with his guest Rombertus van Uylenburgh. After William left the dining room and walked down-stairs, Van Uylenburgh heard Gérard shoot William in the chest at close range. Gérard fled to collect his reward. According to official records, William's last words are said to have been:" Mon Dieu, ayez pitié de mon âme; mon Dieu, ayez pitié de ce pauvre peuple." My God, have pity on my soul; my God, have pity on this poor people." Gérard was caught before he could flee Delft, and imprisoned. He was tortured before his trial on 13 July, where he was sentenced to be brutally – even by the standards of that time – killed. The magistrates decreed that the right hand of Gérard should be burned off with a red-hot iron, that his flesh should be torn from his bones with pincers in six different places, that he should be quartered and disembowelled alive, that his heart should be torn from his bosom and flung in his face, and that, finally, his head should be cut off. Traditionally, members of the Nassau family were buried in Breda, but as that city was in Spanish hands when William died, he was buried in the New Church in Delft. His monument on his tomb was originally very modest, but it was replaced in 1623 by a new one, made by Hendrik de Keyser and his son Pieter. Since then, most of the members of the House of Orange-Nassau, including all Dutch monarchs have been buried in the same church. His great-grandson William the third, King of England and Scotland and Stadtholder in the Netherlands, was buried in Westminster Abbey. According to a British historian of science Lisa Jardine, he is reputed to be the first world head of state to be assassinated by handgun. The Scottish Regent Moray had been shot 13 years earlier, being the first recorded firearm assassination. Burial vault of William I in the New Church in Delft (with the old Queen and the former Dutch minister of internal affairsBurial vault (tomb) of the House of Orange in the New Chruch in Delft
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