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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2014 7:22:58 GMT -7
Dear friends,
I will be more absent on this Forum the coming two weeks, because I have a family reunion holiday with Dutch and South-African family. I spend two weeks in Zeeland at the Dutch coast with my parents, sister and niece. Yesterday I spend a wonderful day with my sister and niece, who landed from a United Arab Emirates Airlines flight (Capetown - Dubai - Amsterdam). A 24 hours flight. They enjoyed the Amsterdam fashion stores for women and the atmosphere of the city they are so fond of.
Now we are enjoying our stay in the Walcheren Peninsula in the town of Vlissingen. Wonderful weather, the sense of family (being together again), cycling, family conversation in the garden and living room. My niece is 18 now and has become a young woman. From the conversations I witness that the life of my sister and niece in South-Africa are quite different from the Dutch lives of my parents and me.
My sister works full time for an internation development aid organisation from New Zealand, who brings volunteers to development aid projects in poor countries. My sister does the management and organisation in Cape Town. That there is risk in her work I understood from her stories from the shebeens (illegal drinking places) in the townships, and there were many dead people in the taxi wars between different colored gangs in the area's where her volunteers work with todlers, children and teenagers. It is difficult for white people to find work in South-Africa due to the ploicies of affirmative action for black people today.
In Cape Town there are tensions and competition between the colored (mixed blood people) and the black Xosa people there.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by karl on Jul 2, 2014 12:54:17 GMT -7
Pieter
I remember in past of your mention of your sister and niece to arrive for a visit. It is good for all of you, for time is not our friend and time has the option to catch up with us all too soon. It sounds good for all of you to spend some time in Zeeland together, have you a rented cottage for the time there?
I was in good hopes that your sister and family were able to relocate to a gated community for better quality of living and related safety. For what I have gathered is many parts of South Africa is none to safe for white people in reguards to the black hoodlums. But then, it has been many years since once working in South Africa.
If for a time you do not post, it will be that of a shortage of time, and your family has needs to spend precious time with you that is theirs to use.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Jul 2, 2014 17:14:42 GMT -7
Pieter. it is so good to have your family and the niece, Their lives in South Africa are also very challenging in a different ways then ours are. Today for me was a shocking dose of the way how europeans live, acts. I had to walk more than for a year of living in the US, European food is very good, but getting usd to all different transportation media etc... is not easy Dear friends, I will be more absent on this Forum the coming two weeks, because I have a family reunion holiday with Dutch and South-African family. I spend two weeks in Zeeland at the Dutch coast with my parents, sister and niece. Yesterday I spend a wonderful day with my sister and niece, who landed from a United Arab Emirates Airlines flight (Capetown - Dubai - Amsterdam). A 24 hours flight. They enjoyed the Amsterdam fashion stores for women and the atmosphere of the city they are so fond of. Now we are enjoying our stay in the Walcheren Peninsula in the town of Vlissingen. Wonderful weather, the sense of family (being together again), cycling, family conversation in the garden and living room. My niece is 18 now and has become a young woman. From the conversations I witness that the life of my sister and niece in South-Africa are quite different from the Dutch lives of my parents and me. My sister works full time for an internation development aid organisation from New Zealand, who brings volunteers to development aid projects in poor countries. My sister does the management and organisation in Cape Town. That there is risk in her work I understood from her stories from the shebeens (illegal drinking places) in the townships, and there were many dead people in the taxi wars between different colored gangs in the area's where her volunteers work with todlers, children and teenagers. It is difficult for white people to find work in South-Africa due to the ploicies of affirmative action for black people today. In Cape Town there are tensions and competition between the colored (mixed blood people) and the black Xosa people there. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Jul 3, 2014 4:19:22 GMT -7
Karl, We are staying at our parents home in Vlissingen. So we don't need to rent an appartment or go to a hotel. My parents live in Zeeland and have their house in Vlissingen. Enough room to store us. My niece has my old room (the room of my teenage years), my sister has her old room. My parents have their own bed room and I sleep in the family studio (atelier in Dutch. The painting studio of my father where he paints in oil and acrylic colors, and where my mother occasionaly makes her -abstract- paintings to. Her style is a little bit like the work of Robert and Sonia Delaunay.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Delaunay#mediaviewer/File:Sonia_Delaunay,_Rythme,_1938.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Delaunay#mediaviewer/File:Robert_Delaunay,_1938,_Rythme_n%C2%B01,_Decoration_for_the_Salon_des_Tuileries,_oil_on_canvas,_Mus%C3%A9e_d%27Art_Moderne_de_la_ville_de_Paris.jpg Yes, life for whites is difficult today due to the black and colored hoodlums, but also the fierce competition between whites for the scarse jobs themselves. I heard from my sister that some Anglo-African South-Africans (English origin South-Africans) are moving abroad to find work. A familymember of the moved to England (Great-Britain), because he couldn't find a job in Cape Town. Thank god my sister and her husbant stil have jobs in Cape town and thus can live and stay there. A lot of the crime in Cape Town is not a black (Xosa) thing, but a a colored (mixed people) issue. A large problem is the gang violence of the Colored gangs of the Cape flats area. But also the violence in the black and colored townships is a problem. A new kind of hard drugs makes people very aggressive. It's called Tic. Next to that the murder rate, sexual violence (rape and molestation), crime rates are terrible over there. You have the Third World (extreme poverty) next to the First World (extreme wealth) and the contrast creates problems. By the way it is not only a race problem, because you have poor white, very poor whites there next to the poor black and colored masses, and middle class and very rich black and colored people. The main problem is between rich and poor. The poor have nothing, and they live in very dangerous, violent, shabby, unhealthy conditions. 36% of the South-African women have HIV (Aids). A large section of the working South-African population is dying. The Cape Province is fairly good governed, by the liberal and democratic, Democratic Alliance. Which is better in my opinion than the corrupt ANC, which treats black people not better than the former Apartheids regime. The ANC politicians, rulers and oligarch businessmen only think about their own pockets, nepotist network and are very bad managers and rulers. South-Africa is one of the most corrupt nations in the world. Unfortunately the SACP (South-African Communist Party) and the Cosatu (the largest South-African Union) support the ANC government, wether it is corrupt or bad or not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Alliance_%28South_Africa%29Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Jul 3, 2014 4:32:03 GMT -7
Pieter. it is so good to have your family and the niece, Their lives in South Africa are also very challenging in a different ways then ours are. Today for me was a shocking dose of the way how europeans live, acts. I had to walk more than for a year of living in the US, European food is very good, but getting usd to all different transportation media etc... is not easy Dear friends, I will be more absent on this Forum the coming two weeks, because I have a family reunion holiday with Dutch and South-African family. I spend two weeks in Zeeland at the Dutch coast with my parents, sister and niece. Yesterday I spend a wonderful day with my sister and niece, who landed from a United Arab Emirates Airlines flight (Capetown - Dubai - Amsterdam). A 24 hours flight. They enjoyed the Amsterdam fashion stores for women and the atmosphere of the city they are so fond of. Now we are enjoying our stay in the Walcheren Peninsula in the town of Vlissingen. Wonderful weather, the sense of family (being together again), cycling, family conversation in the garden and living room. My niece is 18 now and has become a young woman. From the conversations I witness that the life of my sister and niece in South-Africa are quite different from the Dutch lives of my parents and me. My sister works full time for an internation development aid organisation from New Zealand, who brings volunteers to development aid projects in poor countries. My sister does the management and organisation in Cape Town. That there is risk in her work I understood from her stories from the shebeens (illegal drinking places) in the townships, and there were many dead people in the taxi wars between different colored gangs in the area's where her volunteers work with todlers, children and teenagers. It is difficult for white people to find work in South-Africa due to the ploicies of affirmative action for black people today. In Cape Town there are tensions and competition between the colored (mixed blood people) and the black Xosa people there. Cheers, Pieter Dear Jaga, Tahnk you for your kind words. It is very nice to have some time with my sister and niece, because I rarely see them due to the distance between us (16,000 kilometers, 10 thousand miles). Yes, the way European live is different than how Americans live. We are both people with European roots, but different kind of whites, Europeans and Americans. What is so shocking for you about British life? Is the public transport system complicated or malfunctionating? Is it the multi-cultural nature of England? Yes, we Europeans walk, cycle and use public transport more than the Americans. For instance I don't have a car, but use only the Ford Transit of my work for my camera work. Next to that I do everyting by cycling, walking, bus and train. I don't like busses but every now and then I have to use one if I have a far destination. Sometimes I rent a car or a van to transport things or for travelling. It is very expensive to own a car in the Netherlands due to the anti-car policies of the government. The environmental and parking policies of the national and regional governments make it very difficult to park in cities (you have to pay a lot to park your car) and the insurrance of your car costs a lot. Yes, we have a lot of different transport media. I hope that you will get used to it and will be able to use it to your own advantage Jaga. Walking is healthy by the way.   I hope that you have a wonderful time in England and Scotland! Are you also planning to visit Wales. I heard that Wales is wonderful too. I have only visited London, Oxford and Dover myself. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by karl on Jul 3, 2014 12:50:38 GMT -7
Karl, We are staying at our parents home in Vlissingen. So we don't need to rent an appartment or go to a hotel. My parents live in Zeeland and have their house in Vlissingen. Enough room to store us. My niece has my old room (the room of my teenage years), my sister has her old room. My parents have their own bed room and I sleep in the family studio (atelier in Dutch. The painting studio of my father where he paints in oil and acrylic colors, and where my mother occasionaly makes her -abstract- paintings to. Her style is a little bit like the work of Robert and Sonia Delaunay.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Delaunay#mediaviewer/File:Sonia_Delaunay,_Rythme,_1938.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Delaunay#mediaviewer/File:Robert_Delaunay,_1938,_Rythme_n%C2%B01,_Decoration_for_the_Salon_des_Tuileries,_oil_on_canvas,_Mus%C3%A9e_d%27Art_Moderne_de_la_ville_de_Paris.jpg Yes, life for whites is difficult today due to the black and colored hoodlums, but also the fierce competition between whites for the scarse jobs themselves. I heard from my sister that some Anglo-African South-Africans (English origin South-Africans) are moving abroad to find work. A familymember of the moved to England (Great-Britain), because he couldn't find a job in Cape Town. Thank god my sister and her husbant stil have jobs in Cape town and thus can live and stay there. A lot of the crime in Cape Town is not a black (Xosa) thing, but a a colored (mixed people) issue. A large problem is the gang violence of the Colored gangs of the Cape flats area. But also the violence in the black and colored townships is a problem. A new kind of hard drugs makes people very aggressive. It's called Tic. Next to that the murder rate, sexual violence (rape and molestation), crime rates are terrible over there. You have the Third World (extreme poverty) next to the First World (extreme wealth) and the contrast creates problems. By the way it is not only a race problem, because you have poor white, very poor whites there next to the poor black and colored masses, and middle class and very rich black and colored people. The main problem is between rich and poor. The poor have nothing, and they live in very dangerous, violent, shabby, unhealthy conditions. 36% of the South-African women have HIV (Aids). A large section of the working South-African population is dying. The Cape Province is fairly good governed, by the liberal and democratic, Democratic Alliance. Which is better in my opinion than the corrupt ANC, which treats black people not better than the former Apartheids regime. The ANC politicians, rulers and oligarch businessmen only think about their own pockets, nepotist network and are very bad managers and rulers. South-Africa is one of the most corrupt nations in the world. Unfortunately the SACP (South-African Communist Party) and the Cosatu (the largest South-African Union) support the ANC government, wether it is corrupt or bad or not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Alliance_%28South_Africa%29Cheers, Pieter I am very sorry for this high crime rate in the Cape, it has been many years since my work in Pretoria. At that time, even though the city was well regulated, there still were areas to not go into if white. As of that time, was Apartheid years, with this, the ANC was an outlaw organization of murder and criminal activities. Nelson Mandela was one of them and a very active killer he was. These people seemed to enjoy the over night mine laying of farm entry roads and then in the morning, enjoy the blowing up of Boer vehicles. Those that survived, were hacked to pieces with machetes. My self worked as my first assignment at the embassy on Embassy row, it was one of many as being clustered together. The area was dotted with cherry trees donated by Japan as a gift some years prior and was such a pleasure to simply walk through them and sit for a while to feel the breeze about. Although Apartheid years, there many black people employed around and with this, we had some Bantu ladies employed in the lobbie and records. My self, my work as a newby, was processing pass ports, a job none wished to do. For at that time, there was for some reason, a number of German nationals marrying African ladies and at the time of their work visas to expire, they were to leave the country and not able to take their families back to Germany. It was not good to then by virtue of responsibility, to speak with these families, for it was heart breaking but must be done. I was more then pleased to be reassigned out of there to Namibia. This was the war years in Angola with associated concerns of the war crossing over the Orange river into South Africa. Your mention of Denisovan painting style is interesting that your mother paints. My knowledge of painting is very much lacking, but not my interest, for each style is an interesting departure from the other. With this, each carries a feeling to the senses that is intriguing. My self, would suspect your mothers style in painting has the potential of very commercial application in advertising. Realizing your shortage of time away from your family, it is good of you to timely check in with updates. Thank you most kindly. Karl |
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Post by pieter on Jul 6, 2014 2:02:35 GMT -7
Dear Karl,
Life has positive and negative aspects. The positive aspect is that my South-African family (sister) managed to survive, that she is very (pro-) active and NOT scared. They are reasonable, smart and experienced people in the sense of life experience in Europe and South-Africa (her 22 first years in the Netherlands in Europe: her Dutch primary school, her high school and her vocational university years in Amsterdam).
Your work in Pretoria was a very interesting life experience and professional challange for the young German you were. There still are areas to not go into if white. The situation is different today and not so black and white as back then. New problems exist, and new challenges are there.
I hope that you stay in Pretoria (South-Africa) and Namibia has enriched your life.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jul 6, 2014 12:18:56 GMT -7
Karl, In the past childhood years and teenage years my sister and I had the luck to grow up in a sportive and creative family. Holidays with long mountain wolks in the Belgian Ardens, Poland or in the Dutch Veluwe woods. Always long cycling days or walks. And we often simply sat at our holiday house (our own or rented ones) and did water colors (gouache and aquarelle), drawing and etc. My father, sister and me we made portraits of eachother in pencil and I often went with my father drawing nature scenes, pitoresque hamlets, farm houses, villages and towns (cities). My father stil draws whenever he can. He has drawn since his childhood and so is doing it all his life. My sister had the creativeness of ceramics (Ceramic art), and at a later age (next to studying psychology in Capetown) she learned herself to play piano and to compose songs. I remember that in my childhood she had some music lessons, played fipple flute (Recorder) and the classical (Spanish) guitar. I have my regret about my inpatience as a boy with the music school and that I didn't learn a musical instrument nor musical notes. I have gone to much with my nose into the history books, prooze and comics, and concentrated my time to much on drawing and painting. I say this because I maybe consider music to be the greatest art, next to the fine art of painting, drawing, sclupture, graphical art, theatre, dance and poetry. A lot of artists are double talents in the fact that they draw/paint and make music. I am not a musician. I can't sing, nor play music. Though South-Africa has it's darker side (crime; murders, rapes, gang violence, insecurity, huge HIV/Aids epidemic - a large section of the population will simply die, which is a disaster for the South-African economy and society -) and the negativity of the corruption, nepotism, primitivism of the tribal clan culture, and ethnic pillarization (Blacks; Xosa/ Zulu, Colored; the mixed people of white, Malayan, Black African and Hottentot -Khoisan/ Bushmen- people, the white groups of Afrikaners and Anglo-Africans, who have their separate communities too; and last but not least the Indian and Asian people over there) South-Africa has a wonderful wild life (rough nature; fantastic coastline with rocks and mountains, two oceans, wales, sharks, dophins, pinguins, sea lions; wild parks with lions, hyena's, springboks, impala's, zebra's, elephants, giraffe's, Rhinoceros, wildebeests) in it's national parks and deserts. And next to that the interesting culture of it's people with African and European roots. Even the South-African president called the Afrikaner people " the only white African tribe on the African continent". The Afrikaner boers have lived in South-Africa for hundreds of years now (since the 17th century), and their ancesters were Dutch, German and French huegenot (Protestant) people. For a Dutchman it is easy to stay in South-Africa, because I can resque or maintain myself there by using English and Dutch. I can read and understand Afrikaans, but can not speak it. It's like the old Methodist German religious communities in Southern-America, the Mennonites, who speak a 17th century old German language. You can understand them with your modern German, it is only a little bit different. In South-Africa you have to adabt to the life overthere, the safety procedures, and don't act like a naive tourist. When I am there I observe the local whites over there and act like them. I don't show the South-African thugs that I am foreign. I walk or travel around over there if I know the place, even if I don't. I know where I am going and before I go out of the door I have made up my travel plan or destinations of the day. It is different than other countries and continents on the world I know, but it is like it is, it is South-Africa. For some reason I am fond of the African continent, due to the wild life, the tribal cultures there, ethnographic art, and I admid also due to our colonial heritage over there. Afrikaner writers and poets like Breyten Breytenbach, Ingrid Jonker and John Maxwell "J. M." Coetzee are very good, and South-African artists (both white and black/colored) are excellent too. Disgrace is a novel by J. M. Coetzee, published in 1999. It won the Booker Prize. The writer was also awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature four years after its publication. A film adaptation of Disgrace starring John Malkovich had its world premiere at the Toronto Film Festival in 2008, where it won the International Critics' Award. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_%28novel%29en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans_literatureUnfortunately due to various historical and present reasons ( the genocide of the indigenous Bushmen people by both white European and Black African -Zulu and Xsosa- invaders, Dutch and English colonialism, the Apartheid system and regime - 1948-1994 -; and after that the corrupt and nepotist ANC regime) there is a large uneducated and primitive majority in South-Africa, who lack rational-analytical skills for political, judicial (legal system) and economical organisation. Fact is that the South-African economy exists due to the presence of the white population. If due to for instance a growing power of people like Julius Sello Malema (born 3 March 1981),the leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters, South-Africa will go into the direction of Zimbabwe of Robert Mugabe, the White South-African population will leave to Australia, New Zealand, the USA, Canada, Great Britain and the European continent (for sure some Afrikaners and Anglo-Africans of South-Africa will choose to go to the Netherlands or the Flanders part of Belgium. Maybe they will also go to Germany and Scandinavia?). If the white farmers, businesspeople, bankers, middle class (shop owners and real estate agents and developpers), entrepreneurs, industrialists, scientists, teachers, professors, accountants, managers, politicians, judges, lawjers, Civil-law notaries and marketeers will leave South-Africa, the South-African economy will collapse and South-Africa will be a third world country like Liberia or Ivory coast. This is not a racist comment, but a logical comment. The reform and transformation of the South-African society, economy, legal system (trade laws, protection of private propperty and etc.) and political system will need decades to succeed. To much black and colored people are uneducated, poor, primitive and not adabted to the modern society South-Africa is today. White and colored people are discriminated today. White people can't get jobs today due to affirmative action. Whites who weren't unemployed and poor under Apartheid, today are poor, unemployed, homeless and live on the streets or in poor shabby white gettho's, white townships. There is a gap between rich whites and poor whites in South-Africa today too. It is a country and society for ' The survival of the fittest'. You have to be tough, smart, hard working, self sufficient and entrepreneurial if you want to survive in present day South-Africa as a white person. Cheers, Pieter P.S.- I understand that things have to change and that not everyhting can stay the way they were for decades, but a smart redistribution of the land or sharing of the land is better than simply taking it away from the white skilled farmers, and also only affirmative action to support the blacks. If you scare of the whites, and remove them from your country, the investments from the West (Europe, the USA and Israel) will fade away. |
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Aug 5, 2014 11:43:10 GMT -7
Tomorrow afternoon we are going up to camp in Vermont and then on to Quebec for a visit through the Eastern Townships.
It's like visiting Europe.
See you when we get back.
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Post by pieter on Aug 5, 2014 13:45:05 GMT -7
John, Have a wonderful stay in the Green Mountain State in New England.  And after that a nice stay in Quebec. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by karl on Aug 5, 2014 19:48:42 GMT -7
J.J.
Sounds as a very enjoyable trip with the family. To then in Quebec Provence? Or to Quebec city? Either will be interesting. Engish is spoken there if pressed, many rather to speak their French in that stead. To call them Canadians is a travesty, for they rather it be known, they are people of Quebec only.
As a person, have gotten on well with French Canadians, they are a proud people and very sensuous. It is helpful as you know, to know some French for the various signage and restaurant menus.
Travel safe for you will be missed
Karl
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Aug 5, 2014 20:46:14 GMT -7
J.J. Sounds as a very enjoyable trip with the family. To then in Quebec Provence? Or to Quebec city? Either will be interesting. Engish is spoken there if pressed, many rather to speak their French in that stead. To call them Canadians is a travesty, for they rather it be known, they are people of Quebec only. As a person, have gotten on well with French Canadians, they are a proud people and very sensuous. It is helpful as you know, to know some French for the various signage and restaurant menus. Travel safe for you will be missed Karl Karl, Obviously you have experienced the Quebecker requirement for speaking Canadian French. Many moons ago, I had the privilege of making a presentation to the Engineering group of Quebec Telephone. Their headquarters was up in Rimouski, Quebec. It was in the winter, if I remember correctly about pre-Christmas. I flew into Montreal and caught a connecting flight to Rimouski. Outside it was snowing like the devil and windy. Well we boarded on a Folker F-28. Twin turbo jet. and took off in the middle of a raging snow storm. The pilot was a good jet jockey as he kept the aircraft on a true and level as much as possible. On the approach to Rimouski he announced that we should buckle up tight as it may be bouncy. We came in and touched down like a feather. The snow was blowing horizontally and nobody seemed to mind. Snow was stacked at least 4 feet above the aircraft on the side of the runway. Nobody seemed to mind. It must be normal in these climes. Well the following day I set up for my presentation. There were 35 engineers present and all seemed calm and courteous. I started to talk and one fellow raised his hand immediately. His question was, can I make the presentation in French? Well, it took me about 5 seconds to realize what was going on. My response to him was. "Can you speak in Polish"? He said no. Well, I said you can't speak in Polish and I can't speak in French so what will we do? I made a suggestion that we speak in a common language we all understand, English. Well, after a round of laughter they all agreed and we had a great day. |
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Post by Jaga on Aug 5, 2014 23:43:57 GMT -7
John,
interesting experience in Quebec with using French. People in Quebec are probably more sensitive on their French than French are in France.
Faites un bon voyage!
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Post by pieter on Aug 6, 2014 2:11:24 GMT -7
Dear John/Jaga/Karl, Quebec French sounds different than French from France and Switzerland, but the basics are French and they are very french people. I think they sound a little bit like Wallon people from Belgium with their heavy French dialect (not the real Wallon language, which is different than French, but Wallon speakers who speak French). Like Cajun french I think there are heavy English or other influences in the language. In Europe we sometimes watch the TV5 (French) or RTBF (Wallon TV; Radio Télévision Belge Francophone) for French movies or music. TV5 has Dutch subtitles sometimes. T5 often has/had French Canadian (Quebecian) movies and series/sitcoms. And you directly notice due to the North American landscapes, architecture, infrastructure (roads/highways) and kind of people. Quebecian movies are different than French movies. They have developped their own kind of unique North-American French culture. They are different than the English Canadians and Americans, but very North American too. During my 12 day stay in New York (hotel in the heart of Manhattan's Upper West Side in June 2008 I heard a lot of Quebecian French and French. They seem to like New York as much as we Dutch people and other Westerners do. Some person from Quebec said this on the internet 6 years ago: " People from France (native French speakers) usually have a hard time understanding the québécois french at first because of really different accents and expressions. However you get used to it after a while. (It's the same for people from Quebec in France)
But It is the same grammar, so both are the same when written.
If you ask people to speak slowly you should understand québécois, but I think most people will notice the different accent and make an effort " Source: answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080718174503AAwWygCComedy TourismI don't know if Quebecian French is comparable with the English variants or dialects in the world, like Scottish English, Irish English, American, Australian, New Zealandish or South-African English (Anglo-African)? Or dialects or other versions of Dutch or languages close to Dutch like Flemish, Afrikaans, Low-Saxon and Dutch Frisian? Cheers, Pieter Links: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Frenchen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joual |
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Aug 8, 2014 4:06:00 GMT -7
Well folks, here it is. Friday morning and I am communicating with all of you from camp. We now have a DSL line here and so I can access the net.
Been very pleasant here. Warm into the mid 70's during the day and like this morning, it was 480 at 5:AM.
Yesterday we had some pretty strong thunder storms roll through but as always we weathered it at the local pub. No storms in there.
Going on road trips today and hope to enjoy Quebec.
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I hope that you have a wonderful time in England and Scotland! Are you also planning to visit Wales. I heard that Wales is wonderful too. I have only visited London, Oxford and Dover myself.
