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Post by Jaga on Nov 7, 2014 23:37:47 GMT -7
During communism I did nor realize how bad was secret service police in Eastern Germany and why Germans did not speak out so openly against the regime as Poles.... But when you read how many agents Eastern Germany had it is all clear. People were under the surveillance in much higher degree than in Poland. Some of these pictures look like a mockery: www.motherjones.com/media/2013/12/photos-east-germany-stasi-simon-menner-surveillanceSpy Camp: Photos From East Germany's Secret Intelligence Files A new book documents the absurd and terrifying history of the Stasi. Like most government agencies, the NSA lacks a sense of humor; instead, it has paranoia, which can be unintentionally comic. Case in point: The agency's recent cease-and-desist letter to Dan McCall, an online vendor whose parody t-shirts raised NSA hackles. The agency, along with the Department of Homeland Security, cites copyright infringement—it's illegal to appropriate the NSA logo for commercial use (especially after it's been "mutilated"). Depending on your mood, the crackdown on satire is either disproportionate enough to be amusing, or totalitarian enough to be, well, totalitarianism.
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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 8, 2014 8:08:50 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Nov 8, 2014 11:28:17 GMT -7
in Poland it did not really work! Thanks for sharing!
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Post by karl on Nov 8, 2014 16:34:07 GMT -7
Jaga
Interesting url of training received by new Stasi agents. Of appearance is not deceiving for this is common training by most departments of various state protection departments of which ever state. The direction of descriptive vocabulary used by the author is deceptive, for if your life depends upon successful use of such disguises as described, it is very serious indeed so. For what ever the instructors will demand, best to open the ears up and become very exact. The prime prerequisite is: Never never be caught. If so caught, at best will become a floater in the nearest water way, or worse, talk under torture to then upturn the entire net with possible cause needless death to others.
The Stasi{Staatssicherheit} was as you have brought forward, a very insensitive intrusive programme of spying upon the people. For with the large contingent of payed employees, was an army of unpaid citizen informants that were loyal to the cause of the GDR. Their problem was the lack efficient record system requiring a great deal of emplyees to hand search/file records and desemination of information. For they lacked even the file system for efficient search of specific files and records that even rudimentary library system possessed.
The Stasi though, was well funded and fully backed by the then Soviet KGB for their operations.
The sister organization was though, a much meaner operation that was very effective and better organized, being their HVA {Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung}. This being their foreign intelligence service of The GDR. These people operated very well in West Germany as well as the Nederland. Their work created a great amount of difficulty in the Federal Services as both moles and active agents. The fuller extent of their presence and work was not altogether appreciated until after the fall of the wall and the Soviet system. With no office to report to, these people gradually turned them selves and in many cases were set back to work. For they were previously fully trained and cost effective and quite very useable. For they were educated in the use of electronic record information and computer literate.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Nov 8, 2014 23:35:01 GMT -7
Karl,
+++he sister organization was though, a much meaner operation that was very effective and better organized, being their HVA {Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung}. This being their foreign intelligence service of The GDR. These people operated very well in West Germany as well as the Nederland. Their work created a great amount of difficulty in the Federal Services as both moles and active agents.+++
this was unknown to me that Western Germany had a similar service.
I still remember that when Eastern Germany existed, I could not believe that people could not really talk openly about the regime. Now, I understand it better.
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