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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Dec 22, 2014 3:08:52 GMT -7
Official: Russia plotting to start war on IsraelPosted By Aaron Klein On 12/20/2014 @ 5:09 pm In Front Page,World  Russian President Vladimir PutinTEL AVIV – Russia is preparing a contingency plan to prompt Hezbollah and possibly the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad into a direct military conflict with Israel, according to a French official who has been apprised of the situation. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the contingency was meant to be used as a card against the West, particularly the U.S. and European Union, which has been engaged in efforts to isolate Moscow. This past week, the U.S. and E.U. adapted tighter sanctions on the Russian economy, including restrictions on investments in the Crimea, with emphasis on Russian Black Sea oil and gas exploration and tourism. The official said there is information Russia in recent weeks successfully shipped to Hezbollah a large convoy of Iskandar ballistic missiles and surface-to-air missiles. The missiles were received, despite Israel’s alleged airstrikes in Syria targeting Russian-shipped weapons earlier this month, the official said. The official said Russia has not made any decision about agitating a Hezbollah attack on Israel, but views a possible conflict in the Mideast as a card it can play in its confrontation with the West, particularly in Ukraine. “End Times Eyewitness” takes you on a firsthand journey into the heart of the biblical world, to the front lines of the ongoing Middle Eastern revolutions, to discover how ancient prophecies are unfolding. Earlier this month, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem traveled to Russia to meet with the country’s president, Vladimir Putin, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at Russia’s Black Sea resort of Sochi. WND reported at the time that according to a source in Assad’s regime, Putin and Lavrov assured Moualem that Russia “won’t stand for” any Western attack on Assad and that the Russians pledged “support” and “protection” to the Assad regime. That pledge came amid pressure from Turkey and Saudi Arabia on the Obama administration to expand the fight against ISIS in Syria to also target Assad’s forces. Article printed from WND: www.wnd.com
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Post by karl on Dec 22, 2014 7:41:35 GMT -7
It is interesting as article written to toss hot coals upon the forehead of Mr. Putin for an act that is part and partial to most industrial states {Nations}. That is preplanning of an event that exist not at present, but as a possibility. This in self means not a plan of war, but a contingency if so happens of a war. In short, upon the authors of article, a case of mis-information, as a form of vested interest propaganda.
With the above though, is a bit of information left out withen the sphere of situational reality. For Mr. Putin to form some sort of alliance with Hezbollah, would be to alleviate some short comings with past combat actions against Chechnya separatist. Both Chechen and Hezbollah are Islamic with in past offers of assistance to The Chechen Seporatist fighters in their fight against Russian military forces.
With Basher al-Assad, not a very viable suggestion for him to use valuable military resources against Israel at this time. For he is very committed to national defense against foreign military forces on his home turf.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Dec 22, 2014 20:50:24 GMT -7
I guess the conspiracies theories about attacking Israel allows Israel to claim that it should attack these countries. Lets go Israel and invade Iran and Russia! Good luck!
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Post by pieter on Dec 23, 2014 5:44:37 GMT -7
Dear John, Karl and Jaga,
I think the article of Aaron Klein is not realistic nor practical in the geopolitical sense. Israel is an extremely powerful military force. Hezbollah and Syria have their hands full in their combat with the Sunni-Muslim Free Syrian Army, Al Nusra Front, the Islamic State (ISIL or ISIS) and other rebel forces in Syria. These Suni Muslim rebel forces get full suport from Saoudi-Arabia, Qatar, Kuwayt, the United Arab Emirates and probably from Turkey (and Pakistan) too. Count to that the world wide support for the Islamic State (ISIL) and Al Nusra Front from Africa to Asia, from Chechenia to Europe and the US (radical elements within the Sunni-Muslim migrant communities and last but not least coverted native Europeans and white Americans). It would be crazy for Hezbollah and Syria to attack Israel. They would be weakened after a defeat and than will be finished by their Sunni-Muslim oponents from Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, North-Africa, the Arab world, Europe, North America and Asia.
Maybe, maybe, Russia hopes that (if this plan Aaron Klein writes is true) when Syria and Hezbollah attack Israel with the backing of Russia and Iran, that in that case the Islamic world will unite itself and support the attack? In that case Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims will share their strength against Israel. In that case China will join the Russian-Iranian alliance. Question is what Saoudi-Arabia, Turkey, Egypt and other powerful Sunni-Muslim nations will do in that scenario?
It's all theory, conspiracy thinking and worst case scenario thinking right now. We don't have evidance for this. What are mister Aaron Klein's sources?
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Dec 23, 2014 5:57:12 GMT -7
I guess the conspiracies theories about attacking Israel allows Israel to claim that it should attack these countries. Lets go Israel and invade Iran and Russia! Good luck! Dear Jaga, Israel will never attack Russia. 1 million Israeli's are Russian! Israel will never invade Iran either. Iran is not Israel's largest enemy despite media coverage and statements of Israeli prime ministers and presidents. To much Israeli's have Persian roots. The Iranian jews of Israel. Israel will not attack Iran, because Russia is an allie of Iran. And it is not in the interest of Israel to occupy and conquer Iran. The Israeli's have to less manpower and resources for that. Israel however can attack Iranian targets and have an armed conflict with Iran, but it will never be able to occupy Iran. Israel is not the USA (Iraq 2003). Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by karl on Dec 23, 2014 6:33:38 GMT -7
I guess the conspiracies theories about attacking Israel allows Israel to claim that it should attack these countries. Lets go Israel and invade Iran and Russia! Good luck! Dear Jaga, Israel will never attack Russia. 1 million Israeli's are Russian! Israel will never invade Iran either. Iran is not Israel's largest enemy despite media coverage and statements of Israeli prime ministers and presidents. To much Israeli's have Persian roots. The Iranian jews of Israel. Israel will not attack Iran, because Russia is an allie of Iran. And it is not in the interest of Israel to occupy and conquer Iran. The Israeli's have to less manpower and resources for that. Israel however can attack Iranian targets and have an armed conflict with Iran, but it will never be able to occupy Iran. Israel is not the USA (Iraq 2003). Cheers, Pieter Pieter Very well spoken, might I commend upon you for your knowledge and presenting such a truth. Karl |
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Post by kaima on Dec 23, 2014 7:55:16 GMT -7
Israel however can attack Iranian targets and have an armed conflict with Iran, but it will never be able to occupy Iran. Israel is not the USA (Iraq 2003). Cheers, Pieter Pieter, Even the USA with all its wealth and population and army with all of its "force multiplier" (whiz-bang tecnology / drones, sensors, night vision .... All the stuff Bush and Rumsfeld bragged so much about). Our army had no trouble defeating the 6th rate Iraqi army, but our leadership messed up the peace and the occupation. They disbanded the trained fighters in the Iraqi army instead of keeping these occupied, paid and with their pride and status in their own society. We could have kept them occupied as a border guard or National Guard with the burden of maintaining internal peace nd stability. Instead we created a huge pool of unemployed trained fighters that be ame the core of the initial resistance to occupation. Iran is much bigger than Iraq, and for a pip squeek nation like Israel to occupy it is ludicrous. Even in the Cold War, it was possible for the huge nations of USA and USSR to deztroy one another, but neither could have occupied tbe other. This appears to be a carelessly written concept or nonsense propaganda piece someone ran off for sensationalism and quick profit. Kai |
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Post by pieter on Dec 23, 2014 10:07:59 GMT -7
Dear Kaima,
You are entirely right. I had the same opinion. They should have left parts of the Baath party state system in tact and have trasformed and reformed the system in staid of totally dismantling them. You saw the same thing in the Russian Federation after the dismantlement of the SovjetUnion. Former communists and KGB officers became the corrupt Oligarchs and Russian Maffia. A transition and changing of a state and state system goes in fases, in an evolutionairy manner not in a revolution.
So I simply aggree with you.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by kaima on Dec 23, 2014 19:02:24 GMT -7
Pieter,
I was walking today and had a new concept, one in which all of the nuclear weapons Israel possesses does it no good. If Israel uses one weapon, it will be condemned by the world, and even the USA will have difficulty in justfying and supporting her.
If Israel uses 20 or 50 nuclear weapons, she will gravely injure her enemies. But she will then be swept away in the sea of anger and hatred those nuclear weapons spawned in her neighbors and her enemies (not necesserily the same). She will be invaded and conquored bythe suvivors and relatives of those she disposed of in the nuclear holocaust.
In effect, the nukes do Israel good only as a deterrent, through fear. That is lost with first use.
A war with Russia? Seemingly impossible. A conventional strike with Iran, possibly successful, possibly wthout changing the status quo of hate and distrust.
Conclusion would seem to be that fresh winds and direction are needed for Israel to survive.
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Post by karl on Dec 26, 2014 11:09:08 GMT -7
Pieter, I was walking today and had a new concept, one in which all of the nuclear weapons Israel possesses does it no good. If Israel uses one weapon, it will be condemned by the world, and even the USA will have difficulty in justfying and supporting her. If Israel uses 20 or 50 nuclear weapons, she will gravely injure her enemies. But she will then be swept away in the sea of anger and hatred those nuclear weapons spawned in her neighbors and her enemies (not necesserily the same). She will be invaded and conquored bythe suvivors and relatives of those she disposed of in the nuclear holocaust. In effect, the nukes do Israel good only as a deterrent, through fear. That is lost with first use. A war with Russia? Seemingly impossible. A conventional strike with Iran, possibly successful, possibly wthout changing the status quo of hate and distrust. Conclusion would seem to be that fresh winds and direction are needed for Israel to survive. Kai My self should wonder perhaps what you have brought forward in the manner of deterrent with very well known possession of Nuclear weapons owned by Israel. Perhaps as you have suggested as being in the manner of weapons of deterrent value. For some years, Israel has developed such weapons with nuclear explosive power in very convenient packages to cover a number of situations that would evolve on the combat field of operations. These as comonally known, cover the range from very high explosive power that would level a city to small packages suitable for local combat situations with little fall out but with very destructive damage to living beings withen the range of combat use. They do hold the sword of Gideon in their hands, and their Arab neighbours are well aware of it. But with this, is the responsibility as a holder of nuclear weapons to Israel. What ever occurs in the manner of surrounding states in the event of use of such weapons would and will be upon the shoulders of Israel with their use. Karl |
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Post by pieter on Dec 26, 2014 15:27:44 GMT -7
Pieter, I was walking today and had a new concept, one in which all of the nuclear weapons Israel possesses does it no good. If Israel uses one weapon, it will be condemned by the world, and even the USA will have difficulty in justfying and supporting her. If Israel uses 20 or 50 nuclear weapons, she will gravely injure her enemies. But she will then be swept away in the sea of anger and hatred those nuclear weapons spawned in her neighbors and her enemies (not necesserily the same). She will be invaded and conquored bythe suvivors and relatives of those she disposed of in the nuclear holocaust. In effect, the nukes do Israel good only as a deterrent, through fear. That is lost with first use. A war with Russia? Seemingly impossible. A conventional strike with Iran, possibly successful, possibly wthout changing the status quo of hate and distrust. Conclusion would seem to be that fresh winds and direction are needed for Israel to survive. Dear Kaima, Very wise words, very wisely spoken. This is the truth. I spoke with and recorded an interview with the fiercly anti-zionist Dutch Jewish writer Hajo Meijer (of German Jewish heritage) and he said the same you did. He said that if Israel would use the nuclear bomb against it's enemies, the result would be disastrous for the world jewry. In his view that would be the end of judaism as we know it and of the visible jews (jewish communities, both religious jews and secular jews) in the world. He literary said: " This would be disastrous and would lead to such an extreme anti-semitic reaction in the world, that there would be world wide progroms, lynchings, murders of Diaspora jews in Europe, the America's, Africa, Asia, Oceania, Australia and etc." And ofcourse you can count the Israeli jews inside and outside Israel to that. It's like when Muslim fanatics would destroy and demolish Bethlehem in Palestine, Christian heritage in Nazareth (in Northern Israel) and all christian churches and holy places in Jerusalem and the Holy land. I have to stop comparing and making these terrible possible scenario's for the future during this Christmas holiday of peace, family gatherings and happiness for the people who can spend time together. But I am worried. You have enough lunatics in all three Abrahamic faiths ( Judaism, Christianity and Islam) to start a Third World War. I am worried for instance about extremist jews and christians who want to rebuilt the temple on the temple mount. That would mean the dismantlement of the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Islamic shrine, the Dome of the Rock on that temple mount. I am worried that in my country the (possible political) murder of Geert Wilders would leed to a near civil war, chaos and extremism. If Geert Wilders is assasinated, mosques, Islamic schools, Islamic centers and houses of immigrants will burn, and these immigrants will react in retalliation. I don't want mister Wilders to be murdered, but fact is that he is the most extreme critic and anti-Muslim figure in Europe and the West. But back to the subject, Israel, it's nuclear power and the possible use of atomic bombs by Israel. I believe that if Israel would be surrounded by all the armies of the Muslim nations (probably suported by Russia and China), and the Israeli political and military leaders would know that the end of Israel is near in the case of a Muslim conquering of the Holy land, that in that case Israel would be willing to use the nuclear option as the last option. But I aggree with you Ron, that Israel uses the Nuclear thread and power like the USA did during the cold war against the SovjetUnion. Israel is strong enough with it's conventional weapons, trained army, intelligence services and advanced technology to be superior to it's enemies. Israel will never allow itself to be weak in military sense, and will never allow ' the Arabs and other Muslim -and non-Muslim- oponents' to be stronger than they are. They have the backing of the USA, Germany and other allies. The Arab and non-Arab countries in the Middle-east know that Israel won't go away and Israel knows that the Palestinians won't go away, and that they have to deal with a non-Jewish Muslim majority in it's environment. In the future Israel will have to find a way to survive in the Arab Muslim world and in the same time stay a part of the West, with it's European and American roots and population. Israel is a different country than Poland, the USA, Germany and the Netherlands. Israeli's (Israeli jews; the sabras) are different than our diaspora jews. Cheers, Pieter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_%28person%29 |
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