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Post by Nictoshek on Feb 20, 2015 11:13:48 GMT -7
ISIS plans to conquer Europe via Libya have been revealed in letters seen by an anti-terrorism group. Owing to its perfect location on the continental doorstep, the terrorists plan to ferry fighters from North Africa across the Mediterranean. The plans, analyzed by anti-terrorism British think tank Quilliam, outline a strategy to illegally ferry fighters across the sea from Libya into southern Europe, into ports such as Italy southernmost island of Lampedusa, less than 300 miles (483km) away. ISIS INVADES EUROPE
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Post by pieter on Feb 20, 2015 13:42:05 GMT -7
I'll say to them, let's try. We will return to the Middle ages and the crussades. I fear that progroms and lynchings will return to Europe. This time not directed against jews or heretics (protestants), but against Muslims. They will never conquer Rome. Europe and the worlds Roman-Catholics won't allow that. Polish mercenaries will go to Rome to defend the Vatican, next to Irish, Phillipinian and other Catholic mercenaries and volunteers.
Europe nor the USA and Canada (with their European roots, ancesters and ties) will allow that!
We will have a second Bosnia, Kosovo and Eastern-Ukraine. Europeans will wake up, and christian (cultural), nationalistic and European identity will motivate them to fight back. They have had centuries of war. The First and Second World War. This would be the Third World War on European soil. But this time a religious inspired war, a clash of civilizations, and a war between alliances. ISIS will be suported by a whole bunch of Muslim parties, movements, groups and probably even nations. Italy will be supported by NATO, the USA, the EU and maybe United Nations forces.
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Post by karl on Feb 20, 2015 15:46:04 GMT -7
Nictoe
First, welcome back from the land of ice and snow you live in...it is good by your presence that you are alive and well and not frozen to a lampen post...
Withen the body of your presentation is some opportunities that hold some interesting opportunities that even my self would enjoy for a change. That is with IS to invade and conquer Rome as they evidently proclaim.
These people are Arab and as so, are ingrained from childhood to adult with the premise of all that the Koran holds to them as promise.
The situation is though, we are not Islamic or for any manner, a holder of the Koranic principals. For every situation is the manner of opportunity. These people simply belive they will cut off the heads of their victims and be masters of the world. This is very nice if every one believes it.
For this was and is information that has been previously entered as shared to our department. The IS is very well funded and very well operated as a business and combat operation. Not to be dismissed as amaturs, but as a recognizable enemy. Once identified as such, then the formular is to be developed for how/where/conditions of operations/strengths and weaknesses compiled for analyses. The counter operations may be developed and placed into operation. Never under estimate your enemy, but take in considerations of their weaknesses and strengths. Once committed to combat, only the total defeat of the enemy is to be the goal. For there is no other goal then victory.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Feb 21, 2015 6:01:04 GMT -7
ISIS will only be able to conquer Europe via Libya if it has a large support base, established structures, fixed positions already under it's control, secret arms supplies (depots), and a network of political and para-military groups, parties, movements and foundations.
It needs a grassroots organisation in Europe and mass support from migrants and converts with a Muslim background. Muslims in Europe who had military training in their country of heritage (Morocco, Turkey, Algeria, Tunesia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Bosnia-Herzegowina, Kosovo, Albenia, Chechenia, Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria and other countries Muslim migrants come from.)
They wiill try first to control Muslim populated area's in Large city neighbourhoods, subburbs and towns. Guys with Syrian, Iraqi, Lybiyan, Afghan and Chechen experience will guide, train and lead new recruits in those area's. This fifth column will establish safe houses for infiltating ISIS fighters, facilities and logistics for both the incoming fighters as their European Forces. They will collect and gather arms illegally and legaly with arms dealers, criminals and arms smuggeling. They will try to steal arms from European police forces, armies and citizens with arms, from for instance shooting clubs.
ISIS wiil not only try to reach Italy via the Mediterranian. It will also try to land in Monaco, Southern-France, Portugal and Spain. If ISIS isn't stopped in Lybiya it will soon find it's way to Algeria and Tunesia. Mark my words, Algeria is a danger for Europe as well.
Remember FIS and GIA during the nineties, the bloody and cruel civil war between the Algerian Islamists and the Algerian army of the Algerian regime. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were massacred. GIA committed terrorist acts in Paris in France which took the lives of innocent French people. Al Qaida in the Maghreb was established in Algeria. Today the violence of Libya and the territory of the Islamist Jihadi's might easily expand to Algerian territory. And that would be Europe's and France's worst nightmare.
If ISIS has the organizational power, energy, talent and capacity to organize, fund and equip a war on three fronts in three different countries, it will have the power and the will to enter and conquer parts of or the entire state of Algeria. Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and the Palestinian territories are vulnerable area's too. ISIS and Al Qaida threaten the dominant positions of Fatah (PLO) in the West-Bank and Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza. In Jordan half of the population is Palestinian and there are huge refugee camps and settlements with Syrians. Jordan is still vulnerable for ISIS and Al Qaida infiltration. Turkey and Greece too of course. The Former Yugoslavia is also vulnerable for Islamist infiltration. During the civil war in Bosnia there were Islamist Arabs fighting on the Bosnian side. They might have stayed there and established training centers there and could have made Bosnian Muslim converts there to their Salafist/Wahhabi Islamist Jihadist cause (Al Qaida/ISIS).
I hope that the European Intelligence Agencies are doing their work properly. And that the European governments take their responsibilities seriously. That the police forces, special branches (anti-terror units) and also the armies are on high alert. Not only police officers are a target, but also soldiers, as we could see in Great-Britain (London) and France (Toulouse).
ISIS would also try to find a criminal financial support in such activities as 'human trafficking', 'drugs dealing', 'prostitution networks', racketeering, bank robberies and robing money transports. It is after all in the lands of the Infidels, where the majority is non-Muslim and where no Sharia law rules, secularism and atheism are rampant and where Muslims were and are mocked, ridiculed, discriminated and the poor or less advanced. ISIS will have no problems with criminal activities in these headen lands. Setting food on Italian soil and conquering Christian (Roman-Catholic) land and desecrating Roman-Catholic symbols, relics, saints and culture. It certainly will receive a Roman-Catholic response from Roman-Catholics from all over the world. The real traditional catholics will take action and do whatever it takes to protect their religion and pope.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Nictoshek on Sept 15, 2015 6:28:59 GMT -7
IS ISIS ALREADY IN ROME ?Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D. Members of the Islamic State have been circulating disturbing photos of well-known Roman sites such as the Colosseum with handwritten cards held up in front claiming that ISIS is already present in Italy’s capital. One such card, written in Arabic as well as English, proclaims bluntly: “Islamic State in Rome,” and is held up in front of Italian police vehicles. Another bears a handwritten caption in pigeon Italian stating that “we are on your streets.” Still other photos show similar notes with images from other Italian cities, such as the Milan cathedral and an Expo Pavilion. Though clearly meant to inspire fear, the photos have garnered mixed reactions from Italians, who seem well aware that anyone can hold up a note in front of a famous landmark without necessarily posing a real threat. This is not the first time that ISIS has pointed to Rome, the heart of Christianity, as its target. Last year militants chose to publish an image of the black flag of ISIS flying atop the obelisk in Saint Peter’s square on the cover of their propaganda magazine Dabiq. This latest wave of propaganda, however, follows closely on the heels of an alarm sounded by the Libyan government last week that Islamic State terrorists will be reaching Italy by mingling with the numerous African immigrants crossing the Strait of Sicily into the Italian peninsula. A minister of the internationally recognized Libyan government in Tobruk warned last Tuesday that “in the coming weeks” jihadists linked to ISIS will infiltrate the boats of illegal immigrants heading to Italy. “Italy will experience not only the arrival of poor migrants from Africa but also of barges carrying ISIS militants,” said the Libyan information minister, Omar al Gawari, who added that the infiltration aiming at “Malta and Italy,” will take place “via the ports dominated by Fajr Libya,” the coalition of pro-Islamic militias in power in Tripoli and in the west of Libya. Similar statements have come from Abdul Basit Haroun, an advisor to the Libyan government, who told the BBC that smugglers were stowing Islamic State militants on boats carrying migrants. Haroun claims to have based his statement on conversations with smugglers in parts of North Africa controlled by the militants. Italian counter-intelligence officials have claimed that so far there has been no confirmation of such forecasts. Some observers, moreover, have suggested that the warnings seem intent on undermining Libya’s Tripoli government, a rival to that in Tobruk. Italy’s Minister of the Interior, Angelino Alfano said that so far “we have found no trace of the presence of terrorists in boats. This does not mean that we have lowered our guard, and we remain on high alert.” Some 60,000 people are estimated to have tried to cross the Mediterranean this year, of whom more than 1,800 are thought to have died. Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, endangers Europe & Russia
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Post by karl on Sept 15, 2015 6:53:35 GMT -7
Appears to be a reversal from when the crusades were in action, now it is the IS crusades to Rome.
Karl
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Sept 15, 2015 8:44:52 GMT -7
Misunderstanding of the present grows fatally from ignorance of the past.
Marc Bloch
To be enlightened of the past, watch this historical movie.
The Battle of Vienna, 9/11/1683 Does the date catch your eye?
And now to the recent past.
ABC News Live 9/11/2001
And now to the present.
Thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees walk from Budapest to Vienna (Budapest a Vienna)
Well, I don't think I am stretching the truth here if I say that it appears the Muslims are going to reach Vienna now in our current time frame.
Very clever strategy to utilize sectarian crisis and refugees to continue the attack that began on 09/11/1683.
That battle was lost but the war was not.
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Post by Nictoshek on Sept 15, 2015 9:49:39 GMT -7
Closely resembles this date:
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Post by karl on Sept 15, 2015 11:28:56 GMT -7
Nictoshek
Yes, the Blood moon of the Shemitah-hashanah, for some a sign of impending doom. Or the seven year cycle as described in the Bible known as: Shmita
This is sabbatical year as a time for the earth to rest, regain strength, nutrients and moister. In farming, it is soil rotation in letting the soil rest for the period time of seven years. The Assyrians used the rotational practice of a four year cycle for crop rotation with resting the soil.
Not a sign of impending doom unless a person has forgotten their prayers and/or in trouble with God {The Lord}. If this would be the case, best to whilst able, to make peace with him and inself be at peace.
But then, my self am not Jewish, but a simple Christian to pray to God {The Lord} twice daily.
I am quite confident you will have no problems in this year. For some who enjoy to trade in the temple of their hearts, perhaps may be troubled.
Karl
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Post by Nictoshek on Sept 15, 2015 13:46:02 GMT -7
Lebanese Minister to British PM: 1 in 50 Syrian refugees in Europe could be an Isis jihadist
September 15, 2015
Ahlul Bayt News Agency - One in 50 Syrian refugees entering Europe could be member of Isis, a Lebanese government minister has claimed.
Elias Bou Saab, the country's education minister, suggested as many as two per cent of refugees from Syria may be jihadis sent by the so-called Islamic State.
Mr Saab said he had no firm information on terrorist infiltration of refugees, but said his “gut feeling” told him it was happening.
Asked if Isis could be sending militants under the guise of being refugees, Mr Saab said: “Yes, they bring some people, the smugglers. They organise groups and send them out.”
Groups were arriving from Syria which looked different to usual refugees, he said: “They are all dressed with something unified, uniform, vests".
“I don’t have any information. My gut feeling is, yes, they are facilitating such an operation. For what reason, I don’t know,” he added.
Mr Saab said he thought militants could be going to Europe via Turkey and Greece.
“You may have, let’s say, two per cent that are radicals,” he said. “That is more than enough.”
“We have had that also with our camps here. You find two per cent to three per cent of them.”
“When the Lebanese army were kidnapped in Lebanon the people who kidnapped them came out of the camps,” he added, “they kidnapped the soldiers and they took them to the mountains”.
Mr Saab made the comments while travelling with Prime Minister David Cameron on a visit to Lebanon and Jordan.
During the visit the Prime Minister highlighted Britain’s contribution of over £1bn to support refugee camps for displaced Syrians to stay in the region.
Mr Saab’s comments follow warnings from Pope Francis and Ukip leader Nigel Farage that Islamic State fighters could enter Europe hidden among the large numbers of refugees and migrants.
The Pope told Portuguese radio station Radio Renascença: “The truth is that just 400 kilometres from Sicily there is an incredibly cruel terrorist group. So there is a danger of infiltration, this is true.”
Earlier this month Mr Farage wrote over Twitter: “We must establish who is a genuine refugee and to make sure they are not an extremist from Isis or other jihadi institutions.”
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Post by pieter on Sept 15, 2015 13:47:54 GMT -7
Dear Nicetoe,
In one of your postings the article is about IS ISIS ALREADY IN ROME?
ISIS is not only already in Rome in Italy, it is present in Dutch cities and towns, it is present in Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Great-Britain, France, Austria, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Luxemburg, Greece, Turkey, Serbia, Macedonia, Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and probably Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and the Baltic states too. In Central- and Eastern-Europe ISIS supporters and cells will be rooted in the Chechen refugee and migrant community. In West-Europe, North-Europe and South-Europe the ISIS supporters will stem from North-African (Moroccan, Algerian, Tunesian, Lybian, Egyptian), Turkish, Kurd (the Kurds that don't support the Kurd struggle against ISIS), Arab (Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, Saoudi, Yemenite, Iraqi) and Afghan, Pakistani, Somalian, Nigerian, Sudanese and etc. Most refugees will not be ISIS or Al Qaida (Al Nusra Front) supporters, but amongst them there will be terrorist infiltrators and cells.
It is the task of intelligence agencies, the national police forces, Interpol, EU, NATO, special forces of various countries and law inforcement agencies to monitor them, check them and track them and catch them before they commit terrorist actions in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Brussels, Düsseldorf, Berlin, Hamburg, Franfurt am Main, München, Stuttgart, Vienna, Salzburg, Luxemburg city, Paris, Lyon, Marseille or London and Madrid again?
That's why we have to check the migrants and refugee's very good and thouroughly, but in the same time give the real refugees a chance in Europe to escape war, civil war, terror, bloodshed, murder, rape, pilliging and genocdide. Check their identity in Europe and abroad, give them a status and invest in them if you want to take them in. Spread them in fair quota's over all European nations, learn them the native language of the country they are going to, learn them some skills and transport them to those countries.
In less densly populated area's you can sent some more refugee's in densly populated area's with a lot of migrant communities and a lot of native European people, you could sent less people. Some refugees are farmers. Sent them to empty farm land, abandoned villages and agricultural settlements. In area's with industries or companies with a lack of employee's or workers due to aging or migrating populations, you could settle refugees after intensive language training, job training, skills advancement and thus integration and some assimilation.
I agree with Jaga, that they shouldn't be forced to speak 100% perfect German, Dutch, French, Polish, Danish, Czech, Hungarian, English, Swedish or Hungarian, but they should know enough of the langauge to be able to survive, have a job and thus earn a living for themselves and their families. These refugees must know and know that if they don't speak the language and don't know the customs and society of the country they enter, that they will not be able to have a propper, decent, healthy and happy existence there. So they should integrate.
Europe should learn from the mistakes of the past. Take the refugees in, but learn them the language, learn them the skills, and learn them how it is to live in a 'secular democracy', with freedom and democratic rights and requirements. They should know that they enter a christian continent, a continent with a secular culture and political system, with atheism, equal rights for men and women, freedom of speech, respect for other opinions, separation between church and state and less power and influence for religion and clergy.
If they understand that and respect that than they can live over here, be good citizens and be European muslims, Middle eastern christians in Europe, or just new European with another ethnic background. Equal for the law, one person one vote, new residents, new citizens of our cities, towns and villages. Be welcome if you are peaceful and of good will. If you reject democracy, freedom and christianity, stay away. You are not welcome. That is simply my message.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by kaima on Sept 15, 2015 14:33:14 GMT -7
Pieter, you seem to be good at digging up reliable information in Europe. Another American Tourist and I compared notes, and each of us noted that aa disproportionate percentage of refugees we have seen are young men of prime military age.
Are there any official statistics on what the real proportion of young men is among the refugees?
Of course the implication is that ISIS could be slipping in numerous 5th columnists. I guess secret soldiers might be more accurate a term. I happened by a train of refugees this evening as it unloaded, and for this sampling the proportion of men seemed to be 70%, a truly extraordinary number. It could have been 80% was well.
I wonder who is left in the country to fight the civil war! Of course both sides seem willing to fight to the last man, so it is a good place to get away from.
Kai
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Post by pieter on Sept 15, 2015 16:02:18 GMT -7
Dear Kaima,
Interesting and good observation Kaima. I have a few thoughts about these young men. The young men are the target of both Assads troops and ISIS fighters. A lot of them were and are murdered by both sides and others. I you are a young man and belong to the wrong ethnic group, religion or social class you are a target of elimination. Some young men might be pacifists, some men were dissidents towards Assads regime or ISIS. Other men might have fled with familymembers and lost them on the way to Europe.
Secret soldiers or a 5th column of ISIS Sunni-Muslim Salafist (Wahabi) Islamist Jihadist fighters isn't good for Europe. I am sure that the intelligence agencies, undercover agents, field officers, special forces infiltration squads in Assads and ISIS territory will work full time, that the sattelites, drones and Echelon and NSA electronic spy networks and systems will work full time, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year to gather information and follow suspicious objects, people, groups and movements.
They will know more than we are allowed to know and they will go further in their intelligence gathering and operations than we will ever know, can imagine and could believe. At every border, in every city, every town, every village, hamlet, forest, mountain, valley, road, highway and railroad they will monitor the situation. The European authorities are very nervous, very alert, very active and bussy with national policies and measures and with Euroepan and international coordination. I assure you that they will be communicating and cooperating with the Americans and other non-Europeans (even with the Russians, Arabs, Israeli's, Turks, Iranians and Saoudi's).
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Nictoshek on Sept 16, 2015 5:20:56 GMT -7
Disguise: The Pope has warned ISIS militants could be using the migrant crisis to get into Europe to commit terror atrocities Pope Francis warns that ISIS jihadists could use Europe's migrant CHAOS to slip into continent unnoticed He admitted Rome could be a target of attacks by ISIS militants
Security has been increased in Vatican City and other religious sites
Blamed refugee crisis on 'bad' and 'unjust' socio-economic system
But he says humanitarian crisis could reawaken continent's conscienceBy KATE PICKLES FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 07:02 EST, 14 September 2015 Pope Francis has warned ISIS militants could sneak into Europe under cover of a huge wave of refugees fleeing the conflict in Syria. The Pope referred to the risk that ISIS jihadists, who have killed Christians and other minorities in the Middle East, could launch attacks in Europe. In an interview with a Portuguese Catholic broadcaster, he declared that the refugee crisis in Europe was being caused by a 'bad, unjust' socio-economic system that worships 'the god of money.' 'We see these refugees, these poor people who are escaping from war, escaping from hunger, but that’s the tip of the iceberg,' he said. 'But underlying that is the cause, and, because within an economic system, within everything, within the world, within the socio-economic society, in politics, the person always has to be the centre.' But he added he believes the humanitarian crisis could help reawaken the continent's conscience to help those less fortunate. 'It's true, I also want to recognise that, nowadays, territorial security conditions are not the same as they were in other periods (of mass migration),' he said. 'The truth is that just 400 kilometres (250 miles) from Sicily there is an incredibly cruel terrorist group. So there is a danger of infiltration, this is true.' Security specialists believe the risk that militants could be smuggled into Europe in this way is small. Francis admitted that Rome could even be a target for an attack. When asked, he said: 'Yes, nobody said Rome would be immune to this threat. But you can take precautions...' Security has been stepped up in the Vatican City and other religious sites across Italy after threats by ISIS militants against Catholic targets in Rome, popular with tourists and pilgrims. Earlier this month, he appealed to every Catholic parish, religious community and sanctuary in Europe to take in a family of refugees, saying he would set the example by hosting two families in parishes inside the Vatican. Asked if the refugee crisis could be a positive occasion for Europe and a re-awakening of the continent's conscience, the pope said 'it could be'.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Sept 16, 2015 9:26:13 GMT -7
STATE OF EMERGENCY:
Police Fire Tear Gas At Rioting Migrants Chanting “Allah Hu Akbar” Trying to Break Through Hungarian Border
Hungarian police have opened fire with tear gas against 1500 rioting migrants who are attempting to break through the country’s border fence. Migrants have been chanting “Allah hu Akbar” while pelting police officers with missiles including “really big rocks”, bottles, and even food, leading to the crack down. The news follows Hungary’s state of emergency declared yesterday.
The Hungarian crack down followed the suspension of the Schengen free movement area by Germany and Austria this weekend. It became clear to German authorities that a significant number of the migrants they were processing were not in fact refugees from Syria. Germany’s local authorities have also complained that they were overwhelmed by the influx of people, and were not about to process or house them effectively.
Reuters reports that Serbia says it has been informed by Hungary that the Roszke-Horgos border crossing will be closed for the next 30 days.
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