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Post by pieter on Apr 26, 2015 6:19:16 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Apr 26, 2015 6:23:07 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Apr 26, 2015 6:28:13 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Apr 26, 2015 8:31:38 GMT -7
Pieter,
glad you posted it. Angelina's statement was also noticed in the US. It is a shame that the conflicts in Syria, Libya, Jemen, Somalia are not solved in any meaningful way. People from Syria were also on this big boat which got collapsed last week in Europe.
There is a lot of shame and anger about what is going on. But... there is no any plan how to deal with these problems, who would pay money for helping these people and where it is Ok to get involved and where it is not.
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Post by karl on Apr 26, 2015 10:58:55 GMT -7
This is not the first nor the last of Hollywood actors using their names to the play the activist. It is most apparent of little that can be accomplished by the UN or for that matter most other humanistic actions in this matter. For one, those areas in Syria are combat zones operated by the IS. These people {IS} would enjoy nothing more then to have a nice juicy convoy to attact and hold for ransom infront of the world press.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Apr 26, 2015 15:06:04 GMT -7
Dear Jaga and Karl,
It is really deeply tragic, very painful, shameful, regrettable, very, very, very sad that we as human collective of the world can't make this beautiful world a better place for all of us, for our fellow human beings who are less fortunately than we are. We have learnt nothing of the Dark Middle Ages, the times of feudalist absolutism and inquisition, the burning and torture of heretics (Protestant christians), the extreme brutality of Genghis Khan's campaigns (his Mongol Hordes), and the sinister Black Guard (Oprichniki) of Iwan the Terrible, who terrorized Russian civilian populations of cities and towns, and the Boyars, the Red terror of the French revolution, the opression of the Poles during centuries of Prussian, Austrian and Russian occupation. We learned nothing from the Armenian genocide (April 1915) which costed the lives of 1,5 million Armenians in Turkey, we did learn nothing from the 70 years of Bolsjewist terror in the Gulag in Siberia,during the Holodomor in Ukraine (1932 and 1933) which killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians, and the Sovjet occupation of Poland (1939-1941) with Katyn, we did not learned anything from the Holocaust which costed millions of Slavic (Polish, Russian and Ukrainian), Jewish, Gypsy and other European (and non-European) lives, we did not learn from the Biafra - (Nigeria) or Vietnam wars (and the destruction of human lives and property over there), we did not learn from what China did to the Tibetans in Tibet (in 1959, today and in the years inbetween the two), what the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodja, the Hutu paramilitary organization Interahamwe did to the Tutsi's and moderate Hutu's in Rwanda, and we did not learn anything from the mass murders in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Congo, the ethnic cleansing in former Yugoslavia (Bosnia Herzegovina -Srebrenica-, Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo and Macedonia), Sudan and the massacres in Somalia, Mali, Nigeria, Iraq and Afghanistan and the bloody (civil) war in Ukraine today.
After the Holocaust the ethical appeal or statement 'Never Again' came to existence. But the most influential and global organizations and powers can't stop the continued bloodshed, destruction of human lives, hardship and extreme poverty of people. The United Nations can't stop the Syrian Civil War, nor the USA or Russia. Both superpowers have regional interests. The Russians support the Iranian-Syrian alliance and the Americans have powerful Sunni-Muslim allies in the region (Saoudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey) next to Israel. The West knows it can't stop the Sunni-Shia rivalry between Saoudi-Arabia and Iran. Europe has become a fortress for refugees, very difficult to enter. There is a mechanism and idea behind that. Europe's wealth and status has to do with it's financial-economical, political, diplomatic, legal and military position and status. It belongs to the First World together with North-America (Canada and the USA), Australia and New Zealand. And most immigrants come from the Third World and have a Third Wolrd Status. It is very simple and harsh. Europe fears that with to much African and Middle-eastern (read Syrian) refugees, it will get to much Third World influences and become less First World, or even might lose it's First World continent status. That is the tough political and economical reason behind the reluctance of Europe to accept and integrate more refugees and migrants.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by karl on Apr 26, 2015 15:24:33 GMT -7
Dear Pieter
I am so sorry for my loud and overly rude out burst. I understand what you are saying, and very well understand the feelings that are the foundations of your reply, and I agree with you, it is very deplorable for what we must do.
But, to protect our selves from this dumping upon us, we must evoke the controls that are of our use to use. For if not, our land{s} will become what these people are running from.
Our lands are attractive for the ease of entry and the ease of our respective social programmes. And of course, this has not escaped the attention to those wishing to skin a easy fish to catch.
I am so sorry, but we are not the safty net for the world of the disadvantaged and poor to run to.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Apr 27, 2015 10:07:23 GMT -7
Dear Karl,
Don't defend yourself by saying sorry. Your opinion is justified and your truth. People can believe a Hollywood star can be a human rights activist from a safe position of the protection of being a celebrity. I believe in Angelina Jolie's frankness, but I believe she can do little to change the situation, because the UN, USA, Russia, Arab world, Iran, Turkey and other powers can't or don't want to change the situation.
But with her fame she can give attention to the suffering of these poor Syrian refugees, children, women, elderly and men. So that maybe some people who are fond of Jolie or love her, give attention to the situation. Some of these people would have been indifferent or would not know about the situation in Syria without her attention.
You are right that we are not the safty net for the world of the disadvantaged and poor to run to. But the world does have a responsibility to take care of the Geneva Convention in the cases of war and civil war, the world has to care about Human Rights. When people are brutalized, opressed and humiliated they have to be heard, given attention and their situation has to change.
War and terrorism is a failure of human kind. It is a failure of diplomacy, reason, economy, financial systems, legal systems, the rule of law, a lack of empathy, ethnocentrism, the egocentric selfish mindset of corrupt and despotic leaders, and the ability of powerful states and international institutions to control and maintain peace in regions. No party has in the long term benefit of ruined Syria and Iraq. Populations who haven't got a home, lack of food and clean water, lack of safety and security and a total lack of education, employment and a future. These societies are bankrupt and will stay polarized, damaged and mentally hurt for a long time. The traumatized populations of Syria and Iraq have no future due to continued suicide attacks, sectarian violence and leaders who have no interest in peace and stability. These societies will deteriorate to anarchistic nightmares, and the power of extremist islamist movements and criminal gangs or organizations.
Cheers,
Pieter
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