Islamic invasion pulls trigger: Europe now scrambles for gun

[JustJohn or JJ]

Many 'now wish they had a 2nd Amendment'






Austrians are arming themselves at record rates in an effort to defend their households against feared attacks from Muslim invaders.

Tens of thousands of Muslim “refugees” have poured into Austria from Hungary and Slovenia in recent months on their way to Germany and Sweden, two wealthy European countries that have laid out the welcome mat for migrants. More than a million will end up in Germany alone by the end of this year, according to estimates from the German government.

Obtaining a working firearm and ammunition in Germany, Britain, Denmark and the Netherlands is practically impossible for the average citizen. Germany, for instance, requires a psychological evaluation, the purchase of liability insurance and verifiable compliance with strict firearms storage and safety rules. And self-defense is not even a valid reason to purchase a gun in these countries.

The laws in Austria, while still strict, are a bit less overbearing.

A Czech TV report confirms that long guns – shotguns and rifles – have been flying off the shelves in Austria, and Austrians who haven’t already purchased a gun may not have a chance to get one for some time. They’re all sold out.

And those arming themselves are primarily women.

“If anyone wants to buy a long gun in Austria right now, too bad for them,” the Czech newscaster says. “All of them are currently sold out.”

He cites the Austrian news outlet Trioler Tageszeitung as the source of his report.

“We cannot complain about lack of demand,” Stephen Mayer, a gun merchant, told Trioler Tageszeitung.

He claims the stock has been sold out for the last three weeks and that demand is being fueled by fears generated by social changes.

“People want to protect themselves,” Mayer said. “Nonetheless, the most common purchasers of arms are primarily Austrian women.”

They are also buying pepper sprays, which Mayer said are in big demand among those who can’t get a gun.

Alan Gottlieb, executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, said he recently returned from a gun rights event in Europe, where he sensed a change in attitude toward firearms.

“I just returned from a gun rights meeting in Belgium, and I can attest that all over Europe people now want the means to defend themselves,” Gottlieb told WND. “Self-defense is no longer a dirty word. In countries like Austria, where it is still legal to own a firearm, gun sales are at record levels. I can tell you first-hand that people in Europe now wish they had a Second Amendment.”

More potential new customers are entering the market than ever before, according to the Czech report.

Watch clip of Czech TV report on Austrians rushing to arm themselves:
www.wnd.com/2015/10/islamic-invasion-pulls-trigger-europeans-scramble-for-guns/#ooid=NlMzJmeDqz9kMNVbEqrz_JeOt2fypQhK



Until the refugees started flooding Europe, it was mostly hunters and sport shooters who purchased firearms. Now, people are seeking weapons for self-defense because they are worried about their personal safety. Most have never used a gun before.

So-called "projectile weapons" are available in Austria under two classifications, C and D, which are rifles and shotguns. Every adult Austrian is legally able to apply for a weapons permit but must disclose to the government their reason for wanting to own a gun.

The Czech station cited an interview with a sociologist and an Austrian journalist, both of whom said the weapons purchases were based on unfounded fears about foreign migrants.

'Something is very wrong here'

The Viennese sociologist, identified only as Mr. Gertler, said no such fears about migrants should ever be published by any Austrian news outlet.

A journalist named Wittinger said "something is very wrong here" if Austrians are buying guns to protect themselves against migrants.

"Shotguns will not, after all, solve any immediate problems, quite the contrary," he said.

The Czech TV station then reported that Islamists are promising: "We will cut the heads off unbelieving dogs even in Europe."

"Look forward to it, it's coming soon!" the Czech newscaster said.

ISIS-trained jihadists are now returning as European citizens or they are trying to infiltrate as migrants. In one propaganda video an ISIS operative informs his comrades back home in Germany to slit the throats of unbelievers in Germany, Czech TV reports.

"Overall, the ministry of interior stated that Germany is in the cross-hairs of Islamic terrorists but that he does not have any indications of specific threats," he said.

Bracing for another Islamic invasion

The Czech site reflects awareness of a major event in Western history, said Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America.

"Polish King John Sobieski defeated the Muslim invaders at the gates of Vienna in 1683. Another Muslim invasion is underway and Austrians are alarmed, hence their run on gun stores," Pratt told WND. "Women are right to be concerned in view of the Muslim view of women that they are good for raping and little else."

The Czech TV report cited the Arab Spring as the root cause for the flood of Muslim migrants into Europe.

"More and more, the whole thing is turning into the situation that we will experience the much-touted Arab spring from very close up – right here at home," the reporter said. "What's more, many European are alienating large part of their own populace with unfortunate social and multicultural politics, merciless removal of children, unfair seizures and trading on traditional European values and with policies which are usually less friendly toward conservative and traditional native inhabitants and leans toward that portion of inhabitants who have little trouble with globalization and nonchalant liberalization, removal of traditions and Islamization. Yet we will not be able to rely on it, that portion of (population) once the Arab Spring comes here. And that will probably be, as they say, closing the barn after the cows are gone."

Read more at www.wnd.com/2015/10/islamic-invasion-pulls-trigger-europeans-scramble-for-guns/#w4sUUamSJ9Kt3pot.99

[pieter]

I understand why the Austrians are arming themselves. There are huge waves of immigrants flowing into their country. A lot of them are young and middle aged men. This scares them. Unfortunately the European Union, the European countries, the United Nations, and the Middle-eastern nations, people and parties that caused these human tragedy and refugee crisis fail to solve the problem. Ethnic tensions will increase in Europe. If fear for a second Balkan war like in the nineties. I heard from a Dutch priest, a honest priest, that Muslim newcomers change the demographics of the predominantly Slavic Orthodox Macedonia. He said that certain muslims broke the windows of the Orthodox monastry there. And that Syrian refugees refused food aid from the Red cross (because of the christian red cross of the Red Cross) and that some children en adults died because the refusal of food. Incredible.

Yet, people stil help refugees over here, while others resist the arrival of new refugees.

[karl]

Also do I agree with Pieter with his analysis of the currant and present situation with the new arrivals into Europe and with this, the issue of fire arms for self protection.

It is most apparent the refugees have not fully understood a given, and that they, not Europe, must adjust. To say out right of physical harm to those not abiding by their demands is to have a cause and effect in short future. And, that is this people "Islamics" are for their own fault, are abusing very sorely the kindness and humanity of Europeans to allow them to enter into the respective states.

It is not a guess, but a surety, this kindness will soon disappear to be replaced with hate. This is what we do not need, for once established, will then be fuel to toss upon a fire by some of our hate groups.

With the issue of fire arms, quite understandable by the short history some of these young Islamics have created by attacts upon women. A very real problem with purchase of fire arms, is the questionable skill of the owners in gun safety. For an auto load pistol/rifle if for the shooter to be accurate in hitting their target and the projectol/bullet then stops is one thing, if to miss, is another thing. For a miss or penetrating through the thin walls of a flat or what ever, then, if,,to continue by the miss, to then place a real and present endangerment to any person withen the energy field of the projectal to be hit.

As with the above, a most powerful fire arm, the shot gun. Dependant upon the load, if to have 00 buckshot, there is a number of 9MM round balls in those loads, and they are merciless in blowing a wall apart and, if to hit directly a human, fairly will tear them up very badly with expected fatal results.

Karl

[Jaga]

John,

please, calm down and relax with this idea that giving everybody gun, starting with preschool kid and finishing with great-grandmother would make Europe a better place! Unless we can use unloaded guns as walking stick - Europeans like walking a lot!

[Jaga]

John, do you think Barbie guns would sell in Europe well among teenage girls?


what about just selling Europeans some of our grizzly bears, so that they can prevent these nasty Syrians from stepping into their ground?

[JustJohn or JJ]

France’s Far Right Calls for Nation to Re-Arm Itself – ‘Revoke Muslim Passports’

Jim Hoft Nov 14th, 2015 5:29 pm

Marine La Pen, the leader of Front Nationale Party in France, calledd for the nation to “re-arm” itself in the wake of the Paris Islamist attacks on Friday.

La Pen also called on France to revoke Muslim passports.
(In French)
At least one of the Islamist killers in Paris entered Europe as a refugee from Syria.

ISIS took credit for the attacks.
The Islamist State said this was the “first of the storm.”

If there is one ‘winner’ from last night’s terrible events in Paris, it is France’s anti-EU, anti-immigration far-right wing Front Nationale party leader Marine Le Pen. Having already ascended to the lead in yet another poll ahead of France’s 2017 elections, Le Pen came out swinging this morning call for France to “re-arm itself,” stating that radical Islam must be “eradicated” from France. She further demanded that border controls be made “permanent” and binational Islamists must be depreived of their French passport.

As Bloomberg notes:

*FAR RIGHT PARTY LEADER MARINE LE PEN COMMENTS IN TV SPEECH
*LE PEN SAYS FRANCE NEEDS TO CONTROL ITS BORDERS PERMANENTLY
*LE PEN CALLS FOR PERMANENT BORDER CONTROLS
*LE PEN CALLS FOR ‘ERADICATION’ OF RADICAL ISLAMISM IN FRANCE
*LE PEN: FRANCE IS ‘VULNERABLE’, ‘MUST RE-ARM ITSELF’
*LE PEN: FRENCH PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER SAFE
*LE PEN: BI-NATIONAL ISLAMISTS MUST DEPRIVED OF FRENCH PASSEPORT
Which is all fine if this was some extreme and unpopular party, but in fact…

[JustJohn or JJ]

Nov 4, 2015 23:53:57 GMT -7 Jaga said:

John,

please, calm down and relax with this idea that giving everybody gun, starting with preschool kid and finishing with great-grandmother would make Europe a better place! Unless we can use unloaded guns as walking stick - Europeans like walking a lot!

Jaga,

  I'm not advocating to give everybody a firearm. I firmly believe in our 2nd Amendment and do know that our countrymen believe it also.
However, in these posts I am trying to show that people in some countries are decrying the lack of a amendment such as ours. I'm not making this up
but just posting articles about this.



Wake-up time in Europe: Time to get armed
Sweden the latest to report soaring gun sales

Published: 1 day ago



Of all the countries in Europe being overrun with Islamic refugees, Sweden may be the most vulnerable.

Known as a bastion of liberalism and tolerance in a pre-manufactured multicultural society, Sweden is seeing the first signs of a culture breaking down.

Official law enforcement statistics show a significant surge in violence in Sweden even before the massive influx of 190,000 refugees in 2015. Sweden has been importing Muslim immigrants into its major cities for decades, and parts of Stockholm, Trelleborg and Malmo have taken on a new, distinctively Middle Eastern look and feel. Sexual assaults, killings and gang activity are all on the rise.

But the flood of new refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and North Africa in 2015 has been a wake-up call for many Swedes, who are now getting armed, reports Ingrid Carlqvist for Gatestone Institute.

Carlqvist says Sweden has become, not a police state, but a “nightwatchman state – every man is on his own.”

With the influx of 190,000 unskilled and unemployed migrants expected this year — equivalent to 2 percent of Sweden’s current population.

That number is as if 6.4 million Islamic migrants arrived in the U.S. in one year, as opposed to the roughly 200,000 that come to America annually.

“And the Swedes are preparing: demand for firearms licenses is increasing; more and more Swedes are joining shooting clubs and starting vigilante groups. … According to police statistics, there are 1,901,325 licensed guns, owned by 567,733 people, in Sweden.”

Add to this an unknown number of illegal weapons. To get a gun permit in Sweden, you need to be at least 18 years old, law-abiding, well-behaved, and have a hunting license or be a member of an approved shooting club. In 2014, 11,000 people got hunting licenses: 10 percent more than the year before. One out of five was a woman.

“There is also a high demand for alarm systems right now,” a salesman at one of the security companies told Carlqvist.

“It is largely due to the turbulence we are seeing around the country at the moment.” People have lost confidence in the state, he added.

Alan Gottlieb, executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, told WND he recently returned from a conference in Europe, where he learned that many countries are experiencing soaring weapon sales. WND reported Oct. 26 on one such country, Austria.

Obtaining a working firearm and ammunition in many European countries – such as Germany, Britain, Denmark and the Netherlands – is practically impossible for the average citizen.

Germany, for instance, requires a psychological evaluation, the purchase of liability insurance and verifiable compliance with strict firearms storage and safety rules. And self-defense is not even a valid reason to purchase a gun in these countries.

Sweden’s gun laws are also ultra-tight. It is illegal for a civilian in Sweden to carry a firearm, unless for a specific, legal purpose, such as hunting or attending shooting ranges, according to the website Sweden.org.

Guns must by law be stored in an approved safe. And to transport firearms, there are also rules. “The general regulations are that the gun must be unloaded, hidden and transported in a safe and secure way under supervision,” the website says.

But even with these restrictions, increasing numbers of people are willing to go through the red tape necessary to get a gun.

“In Sweden, gun and ammunition sales are up just like in other European countries due to the wave of immigrants from the Middle East and the increase in terrorism,” Gottlieb said. “People everywhere want the means to defend themselves. When seconds count, the police are minutes away.”

In Sweden, Carlqvist reported that residents are reporting longer response times from overburdened police. And sometimes, depending on the location, the cops don’t come at all.

She writes:

“Truck drivers say that when they see a thief emptying the fuel tank of their trucks, they run out with a baseball bat. It is no use calling the police, but if you hit the thief, you can at least prevent him from stealing more diesel. Many homeowners say the same thing: they sleep with a baseball bat under the bed. But this is risky: the police can then say you have been prepared to use force, and that might backfire on you.

“The salesman, who asked to remain anonymous, also spoke of Sweden’s many Facebook groups, in which people in different villages openly discuss how they intend to protect themselves: ‘Sometimes you get totally freaked out when you see what they are writing. But you have to understand that Swedes are really scared when an asylum house opens in their village. They can see what has happened in other places.’”

At another security company, a salesman said every time the state immigration authorities buy or rent a new housing center for refugees, his firm is swamped with calls.

“The next day, half the village calls and wants to buy alarm systems,” he told Gatestone.

Pamela Geller, the anti-Shariah activist and author of Stop the Islamization of America, said Sweden represents the future of Europe. And long term, it could easily be America if it continues to head down its current path.

“This is indeed the future of Europe,” she wrote in a recent blog. “By their irresponsible and short-sighted, suicidal immigration and refugee policies, Europe’s political and media elites have ensured a future of violence, bloodshed and chaos for their people.”

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said any Western society that is modeled on tolerance had better also be protective of citizens’ rights to defend their homes and their persons.

“In America, we say that a liberal who was mugged yesterday is a conservative today. It looks as if Sweden has a rapidly increasing conservative population that has either recently been mugged or has the fear of such imminent violence,” Pratt told WND. “The threat of terrorism in their famously tolerant country has convinced Swedes that firearms and tolerance may not be inconsistent. Tolerance, perhaps, but a gun for sure.”

Jerry Henry, executive director of GeorgiaCarry.org, said it would appear that Sweden and the U.S. have a lot in common.

“There are many parallels, in my opinion. Although citizens in both countries are purchasing firearms for self-protection, the U.S. is ahead in purchasing firearms as we have been doing that in a serious manner since 2008 and continue today,” Henry said.

“Sweden turned a blind eye to the coming refugee storm, and our present administration did its best to get our citizens to do the same thing,” he added. “Now Sweden finds themselves in need to protect themselves and are doing what we have been doing for quite some time.”

As in the U.S., women in Sweden represent one of fastest growing segments fueling the current gun-sale bonanza.

“I am amazed that a citizen in Sweden can be arrested for sleeping with a baseball bat under his bed for being prepared to use force. How ridiculous is that? This is very difficult for me and most U.S. citizens to believe while admitting we have many gun prohibitionists who would love to see such a move here.”

Henry said gun sales are up in all locations across his state, and the demand for concealed-carry permits skyrocketed after the San Bernardino, California, Islamic terrorist attack that killed 14 people at a Christmas party.

“One would expect this trend to continue for quite some time. Most people I know are either prepared for the worst or preparing for the worst,” he said.

“We also have a lot of sheriffs and law officers who are urging armed citizens to carry to protect themselves and others if necessary,” Henry continued. “This is a huge reversal from just a couple of years ago. This is especially gratifying when our president’s first thought after a mass murder is to discuss how he plans to implement gun control.”

“The Age of Aquarius was in the 1960s and 1970s, but the Age of Awakening may be appearing just over the horizon.”

Read more at www.wnd.com/2015/12/wake-up-time-in-europe-time-to-get-armed/#53sbYW6hLjqEfpfA.99

[karl]

J.J. and Jaga

Having understood not just the body of message provided by J.J. but his meaning, and reply given by Jaga. Both of you are correct in your own manner, and how well do I agree with both of you.

What we have though, is a vast difference between Europe and America in the manner of our respective borders. The US has two international borders that are controlled through the use of Passport requirements. Whilst Europe is multi state with 26 member states of equal number of borders.

In past years with the open border concept of The Schengen Agreement Treaty of 14 June 1985, this has worked very well.

ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/index_en.htm


But the developers of this treaty, in as well as others, had not envisioned the currant events of the past and present we are experiencing to this date and time. For the treaty was developed for use by reasonable people of reasonable times. But not envisioned with safe guards inplaced for protection to the memberstates for unreasonable issues and situations as that which is currently being experienced.

But then, this is the test of time the treaty is experiencing and if to pass, so the better, if not, then modifications needs be in order, but not to toss the baby out with the bath water.

Most of the damage has been done, but then for the present and future, needs be modifications instilled for emergency border controls for the safety of each member state as a safety control measure.

The above of course is a de facto issue of too late too soon situation which places the issue upon the backs of our respective leadership.

Karl

[JustJohn or JJ]

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2015 marks the 125th Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms.

TWENTY members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”.

Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-
Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

[karl]

J.J.

Interesting story of Wounded Knee incident and then military personnel involved in that action were resolved of wrong doing given medals. It is difficult to drawn any personal conclusions whilst reading of this, is out of context of that time and relations between indian and whites prevailed.

Relative though to the situation at hand of guns and Europe. It is one thing to understand the reasoning of people in the manner of feeling secure if armed with what ever fire arme. But to another of untrained individuals handling and carring a loaded weapon and with this, the chance of an accidental discharged. For as very well exampled and known, a bullet has no conscience.

For as your self and other service/exservice personnel, are well trained in the use of fire arms and explosives are very compentent in use and care of fire arms. But this extends not to those not accustomed or trained in care and handling of such firearms.

For only the reason of the rare occasion I must carry a fire arme, is required of twice yearly retraining and familiarization both class room and on the firing range. Then class room instruction of take down, cleaning/lubrication and re-assembly of the weapon. As we are not police, in the situation as being accosted, if to require use of protective weapon use, it most likely would be close up eye to eye, and no discharge would be for warning.

Each situation may be similar, but each is still different, with different approaches to action. It is then that pretraining and education comes into action. For often as naught, an action will be counted only in seconds and withen this time, what ever action rather good or negative, will be done.

Some of the cities such as Mexico City, have an incident of occasion of kid-napping and murder of employees of such industries as banking/heads of industry/family members of wealth and such. They rely upon body guards and armoured vehicles for transportation, but with all these advantages to their credit, some suffer at the hands of mafia and such.

Incidents as above, are not neccessarly all and every thing to occur to an individual if by nature of their work place, must on occasion take the place of a courier with papers to be kept secure. Then of the occasion whilst between the office building door way and after stepping out of the vehicle, to be approached by a person rather lady or male, with an out stretched hand holding a knife as indication of intent to rob. What then? Shoot or not to shoot?

The out come often is not time to think, but to act in what is appropriate and reaction by virtue of training in reading the situation that will determine the out come.

Karl

[Jaga]

Guys, we are not going back to tribal wars. ALl these ideas of giving guns for all people and then announce it as freedom is crazy.
We do not need any more military adventurism.... unless you guys are missing you soldier games.

[karl]

Jaga

I am very sorry to have offended with some of the aspects of the work I entail, it is at times, not very pleasant but necessary. Mexico and for that matter, South through central and mid America is in various locations such as Columbia tends to harbor such violence to be a mar against the natural beauty of the area.

I now realize, such violence is against the norms of The United States north of the border. In future I shant not describe these aspects of my life. What must be done, is necessary, and the safe guards inplaced by my training, is to save my life and yet, try to live life as normal as possible. With this, to refrain from future discussions of this nature to preserve the intent of the forum as a family oriented discussion board.

Karl