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Post by Jaga on Jul 17, 2016 22:02:39 GMT -7
I was so surprised to see that even Fox News is worried that there might be a gun violence during GOP convention and they are against the second commandment in OHIO now. In Ohio open gun carry are allowed. But Fox News is afraid of another violence against cops like in Dallas and in Baton Rouge. Both recent attacks were done by black guys who had previous military experience and legal gun permits. THEY WERE NOT MUSLIM EXTREMISTS OR ILLEGAL GUN OWNERS OR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. By the way, Black Panters would come to GOP convention just like white proud gun owners..... Maybe we need this gun oversaturation to finally change the laws into not semi-automatic weapons friendly.here is a call from Fox News for reasonable gun prevention www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/17/kasich-says-hands-tied-as-cleveland-police-union-seeks-open-carry-ban-for-convention.htmlKasich says hands tied as Cleveland police union seeks open-carry ban for conventionOhio Gov. John Kasich’s office rebuffed a call Sunday from the Cleveland police union to ban the open carry of firearms during the Republican National Convention, in the wake of the deadly shooting of police officers in Baton Rouge. FOX 8 reported earlier that Steve Loomis, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, is asking Kasich to prohibit open carry this week in Cuyahoga County, which surrounds Cleveland. A spokeswoman, though, indicated the governor’s hands are tied when it comes to unilaterally changing a state law like open carry. "Law enforcement is a noble, essential calling and we all grieve that we've again seen attacks on officers. Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested,” Kasich spokeswoman Emmalee Kalmbach said. “The bonds between our communities and police must be reset and rebuilt -- as we're doing in Ohio -- so our communities and officers can both be safe. Everyone has an important role to play in that renewal." Convention CEO Jeff Larson, at a press briefing in Cleveland late Sunday, echoed the governor’s office. “The governor can’t simply say, I’m going to relax [the law] for a day,” Larson said. |
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Post by Jaga on Jul 17, 2016 22:12:05 GMT -7
Here is Washington Post about the possibility of violence since second amendment rights work also for Black Panthers www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/17/cleveland-police-union-calls-for-ban-on-open-carry-as-fears-of-violence-mount-ahead-of-rnc/?utm_term=.9f488bae92b8Police union calls for open carry gun ban as fears of violence mount ahead of GOP conventionWith fears of impending violence mounting on the eve of the Republican National Convention, the head of Cleveland’s largest police union called for Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily ban open carrying of gun as crowds of protesters and politicians arrived in town before the Republican National Convention. Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, told CNN that he planned to send a letter to Kasich requesting immediate executive action. The demand arrives on the heels of two shootings that left five law enforcement officers dead in Dallas and three officers dead in Baton Rouge on Sunday. After the July 7 attack in Dallas, officials admitted that they struggled to distinguish between people lawfully carrying long guns in the open and a gunman who was targeting police — spawning confusion and leading authorities to misidentify at least one armed protester as a suspect in the deadly shooting rampage.
“We are sending a letter to Governor Kasich requesting assistance from him,” Loomis told CNN. “He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something — I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point. They can fight about it after the RNC, or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over.” [Three officers killed, three injured in Baton Rouge shooting, sheriff’s office says] A spokeswoman for Kasich said Sunday that the governor could not suspend open carry at the convention. ... According to a guidebook released by the office of Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, “Ohio’s concealed carry laws do not regulate ‘open’ carry of firearms. If you openly carry, use caution.” “We are going to be looking very, very hard at anyone who has an open carry,” he said. “ An AR-15, a shotgun, multiple handguns. It’s irresponsible of those folks — especially right now — to be coming downtown with open carry AR’s or anything else.”... “If it is an open state to carry, we will exercise our second amendment rights because there are other groups threatening to be there that are threatening to do harm to us,” Hashim Nzinga, chairman of the New Black Panther Party, told Reuters. “If that state allows us to bear arms, the Panthers and the others who can legally bear arms will bear arms.”
Supporters of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump also are expected to walk the streets of downtown Cleveland bearing arms, Reuters reported. |
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Post by kaima on Jul 18, 2016 7:21:07 GMT -7
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The (GOP) party’s over
Author: Thomas Friedman Updated: 8 minutes ago Published 11 hours ago
This column has argued for a while now that there is only one thing worse than one-party autocracy, and that is one-party democracy. At least a one-party autocracy can order things to get done.
A one-party democracy — that is, a two-party system where only one party is interested in governing and the other is in constant blocking mode, which has characterized America in recent years — is much worse. It can't do anything big, hard or important.
We can survive a few years of such deadlock in Washington but we sure can't take another four or eight years without real decay setting in, and that explains what I'm rooting for in this fall's elections: I hope Hillary Clinton wins all 50 states and the Democrats take the presidency, the House, the Senate and, effectively, the Supreme Court.
That is the best thing that could happen to America, at least for the next two years — that Donald Trump is not just defeated but is crushed at the polls. That would have multiple advantages for our country.
First, if Clinton wins a sweeping victory, we will have a chance (depending on the size of a Democratic majority in the Senate) to pass common-sense gun laws. That would mean restoring the Assault Weapons Ban, which was enacted as part of the 1994 federal crime bill but expired after 10 years, and making it illegal for anyone on the terrorist watch list to buy a gun.
I don't want to touch any citizen's Second Amendment rights but the notion that we can't restrict military weapons that are increasingly being used in mass murders defies common sense — yet it can't be fixed as long as today's GOP controls any branch of government.
If Clinton wins a sweeping victory, we can borrow $100 billion at close to zero interest for a national infrastructure rebuild to deal with some of the nation's shameful deferred maintenance of roads, bridges, airports and rails and its inadequate bandwidth, and create more blue-collar jobs that would stimulate growth.
If Clinton wins a sweeping victory, we will have a chance to put in place a revenue-neutral carbon tax that would stimulate more clean energy production and allow us to reduce both corporate taxes and personal income taxes, which would also help spur growth.
If Clinton wins a sweeping victory, we can fix whatever needs fixing with Obamacare without having to junk the whole thing. Right now we have the worst of all worlds: The GOP will not participate in any improvements to Obamacare, nor has it offered a credible alternative.
At the same time, if Clinton crushes Trump in November, the message will be sent by the American people that the game he played to become the Republican nominee — through mainstreaming bigotry; name-calling; insulting women, the handicapped, Latinos and Muslims; retweeting posts by hate groups; ignorance of the Constitution; and a willingness to lie and make stuff up with an ease and regularity never seen before at the presidential campaign level — should never be tried by anyone again. The voters' message, "Go away," would be deafening.
Finally, if Trump presides over a devastating Republican defeat across all branches of government, the GOP will be forced to do what it has needed to do for a long time: take a time out in the corner. In that corner Republicans could pull out a blank sheet of paper and on one side define the biggest forces shaping the world today — and the challenges and opportunities they pose to America — and on the other side define conservative, market-based policies to address them.
Our country needs a healthy center-right party that can compete with a healthy center-left party. Right now, the GOP is not a healthy center-right party. It is a mishmash of religious conservatives, angry white males who fear they are becoming a minority in their own country and hate trade, gun-control opponents, pro-lifers, anti-regulation and free-market small-business owners, and pro- and anti-free trade entrepreneurs.
The party was once held together by the Cold War. But as that faded away it has been held together only by renting itself out to whoever could energize its base and keep it in power — Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, the tea party, the National Rifle Association. But at its core there was no real common denominator, no take on the world, no real conservative framework.
The party grew into a messy, untended garden and Donald Trump was like an invasive species that finally just took over the whole thing.
Party leaders can all still call themselves Republicans. They can even hold a convention with a lot of GOP elephant balloons. But the truth is, the party's over. Thoughtful Republicans have started to admit that. John Boehner gave up being speaker of the House because he knew that his caucus had become a madhouse, incapable of governing.
A Clinton sweep in November would force more Republicans to start rebuilding a center-right party ready to govern and compromise. And a Clinton sweep would also mean Hillary could govern from the place where her true political soul resides — the center-left, not the far left.
I make no predictions about who will win in November. But I sure know what I'm praying for — and why.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jul 18, 2016 10:46:32 GMT -7
Ron,
Excellent article. I re posted on face book.
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Post by kaima on Jul 18, 2016 11:10:17 GMT -7
Ron, Excellent article. I re posted on face book. Yes, I found it excellent also. He puts the benefit of the country ahead of party. However, I note you quote Ronald Reagan at the bottom of your posting. I hold him responsible for instigating the wildfire of blaming government for all ills. Rather than take the approach that government can be changed and improved, he blamed it and left that open to ignite the extreme discontent we have today, blaming government, politicians and police for all. That has poisoned our society, and opened the flood gates for the likes of Fox News (Faux in real spelling) t build careers and fortunes in complaining rather than presenting solutions - or partial solutions. In any case, The GOP needs to reinvent itself, and this plan would do that. Then the Dems can rethink the new reality - and America and the world will be a bit better. My first encounter with the likes of Rush Limbauch was in 1997 after I returned from service in Europe. I was driving at night and tuned randomly and found this guy spitting and sputtering hatred into his microphone. It took a full 15 minutes to learn he was spitting invective at Hillary Clinton. He went that long wth partial sentences and hatred without describing who it was he hated so much. |
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2016 11:59:39 GMT -7
Interesting text indeed. Which I read carefully and with interest too (like the other text in the other thread). I believe Thomas Friedman is right and interesting reply Kaima about Ronald Reagan and your encounter with the likes of Rush Limbauch. America needs a reasonable, strong and independent center-right party ready to govern and compromise indeed.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 19, 2016 22:17:55 GMT -7
Kai,
I hope this article is not just a wishful thinking
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Post by Jaga on Jul 25, 2016 22:47:26 GMT -7
Ron, My first encounter with the likes of Rush Limbauch was in 1997 after I returned from service in Europe. I was driving at night and tuned randomly and found this guy spitting and sputtering hatred into his microphone. It took a full 15 minutes to learn he was spitting invective at Hillary Clinton. He went that long wth partial sentences and hatred without describing who it was he hated so much. I wish this guy, not liberal of course, who had so much hate could use his energy into something more positive. I never could understand why some people, liberal women including, hate Hillary and Bill so much. I understand that Hillary is not authentic and she is a fighter but....her standard of behavior was always measured up to improbably high level. I still remember Foxnews ridiculing her tears, but recognizing authenticity at Romney when he shows eyes with tears. |
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