Magda Zuk - disturbing death in Egypt

[Jaga]

a couple of days ago I saw a video of last conversation of Magda Zuk, Polish young lady from Egyot, with her boyfriend who could not come there due to his visa expiration less than 6 months after his arrival. It was hard to watch, Magda behaved as like she just went through a trauma. She allegedly had somebody taking care of her, an Egyptian. The next day she was found dead, she felt down the window, but she had injuries on her body that suggest that something happened earlier..... Apparently she became mentally sick, but this is probably not true since she might be given some psychotic drinks.

This is almost too disturbing and sad, I am not sure you can see and understand a lot - from her last talk to her boyfriend. Still, she behaves that she went through a trauma

[pieter]

Very, very sad story. I am sorry for her parents, her friends and I am mostly sorry for her terrible suffering. I hope that Polish and Egyptian investigators can manage to find out what excactly happened and that if anyone murdered her that the murderer will be caught.

[karl]

Jaga

A very tragic situation dealing with such a lovely young lady with her entire life in front of her to live. It will take some time for the investagators to complete their investigation, then it will be locating the responsible person{s} that are the cause of her death and possible cover up of her death/murder?

My self do not understand or pretend to understand Polish, perhaps though the following url may be to your advantage.

www.pudelek.pl/.../magdalena_zuk_popelnila_samobojstwo_po_sz.

Karl

[Jaga]

Pieter, Karl,

thanks for your understanding. I really think there is something fishy going on there. This girl was killed, she did not kill herself. She is shocked and scared. I think, this is one of these events which would make Poles even more against the Middle Easterners

[pieter]

Dear Jaga and Karl,

A very beautiful typical Slavic blonde. Due to Karl's link I got a better impression of who she was. I can't help it but think about the dangers for Western, white skinned, blue eyed, blond women in an environment where there are no blond, blue eyed, Light skin women. I am sorry if I sound sexist or judgemental. But I have some experience with Arab, Berber, Kurd, Afghan, and even South-Eastern-Europeans with mentalities which are not very far from the North-African and Middle-Eastern Arab mentalities.

You have wonderful, educated, sophisticated, hospitable, decent, well raised, ethnical Middle-Eastern, North-African, Turkish and Balkan people, but it is a fact that a lot of people in these Muslim, Christian and yes also Jewish Middle-eastern cultures, still have Medieval, traditional, Puritinical, Ultra-conservative, primitive, tribal/clan based, narrow minded, religious and cultural views in which honor, virginity, family rule, chastity, covered women (Chador, Niqab and Headscarfs) are dominant and omnipresent.

Jaga, I talked with a Black Muslim woman from Sudan in Montpellier, France, in july 1990, about the West and East. In her opinion a woman should cover herself totally to respect God, her family honour and because she can only show her beauty to her husband and not to strange men, neigbours or male relatives. She really became blunt and spoke about the half naked Western women as being prostitutes, immoral and indecent. Later I heard conservative Muslim people from Turkey, Kurdistan, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Syria and Iran say the same thing. Moving to the West, to Europe was a shock for many of these people. They do believe Dutch, Belgian, German, Danish, French, British, Swedish, Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Serb, Greek, Italian and Spanish women and girls dress improperly. Too nude, in their view a decent woman and girl should be covered from from head to toe.

Miniskirts, hot pants, jeans, t-shirts, short sleave shirts, bikini is absolutely unthinkable in conservative Muslim countries like Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, many North-African countries and most Muslim nations in the world. I fear that the contrast between Magda Zuk's Western, secular, Polish, European culture, mentality and looks and that of her probably conservative, traditional, Egyptian Muslim caretaker was simply to large. I heard several stories about Western women who married Middle-Eastern men and whom relationship turned out to be a nightmare. Double prison experience, being locked in and terrorised by her husband and mother in law (In Muslim cultures mothers and grandmothers can be terrible to daughters, daughters in law, and granddaughters when they become grandmothers. Because they are nothing in the eyes of men, they become authoritarian towards other women they can bully around).

Ofcourse I do not speak about all Muslim families (and the traditional, Orthodox, puritinical Christian and Jewish families in the Middle-east who in some cases have the same honor, family tradition and chastity cultures like the traditional Muslims), because you have ofcourse both decent and nice traditional Muslim families and secular Muslim families with a Western lifestyle. I personally have heard negative stories about Tunesia, Algeria, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Iran of Western women. (Polish -familymembers and friends-, Dutch women and Arab women) Unfortunately I know a Dutch woman who was raped in Algeria, my sister had negative experiences with Arab men on the Cairo airport and in the United Arab Emirates (on her flight between Amsterdam and Cape Town).

Magda Zuk was not an ordinary Polish and European woman. She was very pretty and therefor would have had a hard time in Egypt with Egytpian men. Not only with her care taker. She would not have been able to walk over the street normally without headscarf or being dressed modestly. Maybe the Egyptian who took care of her was jealous due to the attention she got from other men. Or cultural and personal differences might have caused huge tensions.
I hope that Magda Zuk before her death still has had some better days in Egypt. I also hope that her case will be a lesson for other Polish women and girls. Don't be naive, don't date Middle eastern men or boys. Or only date in Poland and stay in Poland with your lover, boyfriend or husband from abroad. Abroad the safety network and structure of Poland disappeares, because you are less than 1% in a society where the majority is Arab Muslim or Arab christian. You don't know the language, don't know the culture, don't know the religious rules and live in a country where there is no dividance between church and state (mosque and state). Egypt is not a safe place for Western women outside the protected Tourist area's.

Cheers,
Pieter

[pieter]

Dear Karl and Jaga,

I tried to translate the text in the link of Karl, I don't know Polish and therefor hope that the translation of Google is correct?

The tragic events took place several days ago in a popular Egyptian resort, Hurghada. The 27-year-old Magdalena Żuk went to the resort alone - it is not certain whether she flew to Africa for vacation or work. On Friday, April 28 the hotel staff found her unconscious in the room. The staff immediately notified the ambulance and the hospital made a detailed study. It turned out that the woman had numerous wounds to the head, chest, arms and legs. The next day, as a result of serious injuries, she died.

Magdalena needed help! She came to the hospital with headaches, and wounds to chest, hands and legs.

According to the sister of the deceased woman, someone had injected the 27-year-old Magda with a intoxicated drink and wanted to kidnap her. Mystery Case added a shared video, which has been circulating for several days. She was registered in a Polish interview with a partner in Poland. On the record you can see that the girl has trouble speaking, is scared and crying.

Where are you Madu, what did they do to you? - asks Magdy Boy on the recording. I can not say what happened. Take me away from here, please, "she begged, terrified. It will not give me anything to tell you. I will not be back from here."

*At the end of the film there is a dark man in the frame who probably recorded the whole conversation. The recording was recorded on Friday, before Magda was taken to hospital where she died on Sunday.

The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not provide any information about this incident. On the other hand, Egyptian investigators are waiting for the results of the blood test for the deceased, which was collected shortly after she was admitted to the hospital.

Due to the protection of the privacy of those concerned, we do not provide detailed information to third parties - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs told the Fakt.

- Questions: Who was the dark man in the frame who probably recorded the whole conversation, was he involved in her death? What traces did the Egyptian investigators found on the spot where they found her body, in her room and in the hall and the surrounding territory where she must have walked and where traces of where she walked or might have sat, lied down or struggled with her attackers? Where there surveillance camera's who recorded suspicious movements of her Egyptian care taker or other Egyptian men or foreign Arab men? (you have people of different Arab and Muslim countries identities in Egypt) What do the owners of the Hotel or appartment where she stayed know? What can Polish investigators, her Polish family and the Polish embassy in Egypt do to serve her case? To find out what happened to her?

[karl]

With consideration of this, as a criminal case under currant investigation, it becomes a potentual international incident. For although as presented as public information, was the hospital records detailing the wounds/type of wounds on her body. It then comes to what is left out, and that is what test results would have been recorded of sexual contact of recent or short past, and if it was forced sexual contact, these are not results that are suspected, but do and are confirmed by most examining physicians both whilst alive or postmortem analysis or postmortem examination by a pathologist. For once examination of the body is/was completed, then it is a matter of collecting evidence such as pubic hair found in the area of sexual contact, and/or fibers not consistant with that found on the clothing of the deceased. In conjunction as with the above, would be examination of victims finger nails for evidence of a struggle and with this, any material lodged in the fingernails that would constitute evidence.

Consistent with above, would be used to connect a suspect to the crime as direct evidence. From that point on, this would be to the investigators to document the scene by forensic investigation, connect suspect{s} to the scene of the crime and to the body of the crime as both being consistant to the event.

It matters little this being an Egyptian case or for that matter the level of expertise. The Egyptians do have the departments of expertise to handle successfully such as case as of this one. That is once exempt from political considerations.

Please do take notice, my self am not a policemen, investigation of rather a crime, incident or event, still follows the similar steps, but for a different reason of result{s}.

Karl

[Jaga]

Guys, it is an international accident. This girl was in the kurort where women do not need to dress up traditionally. But all touristy places in Egypt are tricky, since too many men want to earn money on young foreign women