Poland is isolated in Europe - according to Macron

[Jaga]

and he has a point, but Polish government would not admit it:

www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-frances-macron-criticizes-poland-over-labor/2017/08/25/271e050e-8985-11e7-96a7-d178cf3524eb_story.html
The Latest: Poland slams comments by French leader Macron
VARNA, Bulgaria — The Latest on French President Emmanuel Macron’s visit to central and eastern Europe (all times local):

8:15 p.m.

Poland’s deputy foreign minister has summoned a French diplomat and expressed “indignation” over French President Emmanuel Macron’s criticism of Poland’s government.

During a visit to Bulgaria on Friday, Macron sharply criticized Warsaw over its opposition to hosting migrants and to his plans to reform EU rules under which companies can temporarily post employees in wealthier EU member states at cheaper wages. Macron said Poland was isolating itself from Europe and from its values of democracy and freedom.

The Foreign Ministry said the French charge d’affaires was summoned by Deputy Minister Marek Magierowski who expressed the government’s “indignation following the arrogant words” by Macron.
Poland’s Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski, right, talks with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in Warsaw, Poland, Friday, Aug. 25, 2017. (Czarek Sokolowski/Associated Press)

Magierowski stressed that, just like France, Poland is a full EU member and will protect its interests and citizens.

___

7:40 p.m.

A senior official in the French president’s office is stressing that Emmanuel Macron was criticizing the Polish government and not targeting the country’s people as he assailed Warsaw’s failure to comply with major European principles.

The official, who was not allowed to speak publicly on the issue, noted that Macron said Friday he will continue to work with all EU member states, including Poland, and said the president had been answering a specific question about previous remarks by Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo on the issue of “posted workers” — cheap labor from eastern countries posted temporarily to more prosperous European nations.

Szydlo said on Thursday that her government would defend “Poland’s interests and Poland’s workers.” She and other Polish officials responded sharply to Macron’s comments in Bulgaria Friday.

— By Sylvie Corbet

[karl]

Jaga

Perhaps this is an internal issue for each individual state to decide upon. For each respective state has their own wage laws that determine the economic value of their labour market. I think though, the rub comes about in unregulated areas of the labour market in the manner of unskilled work. If a Polish import worker will work for less, then why not hire those individuals over others that would increase cost with higher pay-per-hour of labour.

In the French usual manner of supposed arrogance, has ruffled some feathers, will this is a manner of an over thin skinned ego, if that respective person can not take the heat, then best for them to get out of the kitchen.

www.businessinsider.com/ap-the-latest-bulgaria-regrets-divisions-in-eu-on-cheap-labor-2017-8


Karl

[Jaga]

Karl,

it has to be some middle ground, we cannot just hire the cheapest worker in a way that would compromize the integrity of the culture, nation etc. On the other hand, yes, French are unique.... although I don't think that this is exactly Macron feature. Macron just wants to be effective, and he is trying to go with full engine forward, but the law and the system of the countries do not work like that.
Trump tried to do the same and he felt, Obama tried but he couldn't , especially since the Congress was against. Kaczynski tried and was succesful to the certain extend. Polish government was changing laws during the night... in a sudden way, so that the opposition did not have enough time to react..... what a weird world we live in!

[Jaga]

It is not just Micron, but also Angela Merkel, who seriously warned Poland about consequences of not obeying law:

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/29/angela-merkel-poland-judicial-reforms-courts

Angela Merkel: we cannot hold our tongues on risk to rule of law in Poland

Jennifer Rankin
Tuesday 29 August 2017 09.58 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 29 August 2017 17.00 EDT
Angela Merkel has weighed in on a worsening dispute between the EU and Poland about judicial independence, delivering pointed criticism of Germany’s eastern neighbour that underscores its growing isolation.

The European commission said in July that it would launch legal action against Poland over reforms that gave the justice minister the right to fire judges – a power that undermines the independence of the courts and violates EU rules.

On Tuesday, one day after the Polish government dismissed the EU inquiry as groundless, the German chancellor said she took the commission’s worries very seriously.

“This is a serious issue because the requirements for cooperation within the European Union are the principles of the rule of law,” Merkel told a press conference in Berlin. “However much I want to have very good relations with Poland ... we cannot simply hold our tongues and not say anything for the sake of peace and quiet.”

Warsaw was given one month to respond to a July report from Brussels that said the reforms endangered the rule of law. On Monday, the final day of the deadline, Poland’s foreign ministry published its response, brushing away the commission’s criticism

[karl]

Jaga

At least for my self to say so, I am very happy to be what I am, and not in Poland. But, beyond this to say, Chancellor Merkel is correct in the message she has offered. The reality though, is the mental make up that is of Mr. Kaczynski, is his stubborness he possesses, for even if he knows he is wrong, being pushed, he will shove back and so it goes.

Mr. Kacznski has his own agenda he is pursuing and that is that, hell or high water he will still go against the currant. His backing that perhaps he is counting on, is not us in the West, but the political agenda of the Americans to push NATO as an anti-Russian agenda, and using Poland as the spring board. With all the time, using Germany as the foundation of advancement. For with the various bases placed upon German soil, makes good their goals and gains if for what ever reasons, they lose other bases that are strategic to their stated goals.

It is still a needed message Chancellor Merkel to speak out for the rule of law that is the foundation most civilizations use. Not that Mr. Kacznski is not civilized, but of course he is, it is just simply his agenda that is not being agreed upon by others that are his neighbours.

Karl

[Jaga]

Karl,
Angela Merkel was trying to defend Poland even when her own government was against actions of Kaczynski's. But I guess, when Kaczynski and Beata Szydlo started demanding more war reparations from Germany (to improve the budget), she had enough.

[karl]

Aug 31, 2017 4:32:25 GMT -7 Jaga said:

Karl,
Angela Merkel was trying to defend Poland even when her own government was against actions of Kaczynski's. But I guess, when Kaczynski and Beata Szydlo started demanding more war reparations from Germany (to improve the budget), she had enough.

Jaga

It would appear that Mr. Kaczynski and Beata Szydlo are trying to beat a dead horse with a broken stick in this matter of war reparation compensation. This was settled in year 1953, Greece a short time past, tried this similar stance to squeeze the piggy bank owned by Germany and of course failed.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/poland-calls-for-reparations-amid-strains-with-germany-eu/2017/08/30/df4c7e1c-8d72-11e7-9c53-6a169beb0953_story.html?utm_term=.8cf2b2eb7254

It is only a personal opinion, but perhaps with a great amount of truth in the manner of reality. Once this black cloud over Poland at this time created by this Kaczynski fellow has expired, business will continue in a much lighter atmosphere. For the Polish people were fooled once, but it is doubtful they will be fooled again by such tactics as displayed by Kaczynski.

Karl

[Jaga]

Karl,

yes, they are buidling case for reparations with a dead horse. I am glad that the world and the Washington Post notices