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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Oct 20, 2017 9:08:56 GMT -7
 Woman killed, at least 7 injured in knife attack at Polish mall
 One woman was killed and seven injured after a knife attack at a mall in Stalowa Wola, Poland on Friday. (Google Maps)A knife-wielding man killed a woman and stabbed seven others at a shopping mall in southeastern Poland on Friday, police said. A police spokesman said a 27-year-old resident of the town with a sharp tool randomly started stabbing people from behind at the VIVO shopping mall in the town of Stalowa Wola. Andrzej Wierszyna told reporters that the man, who was detained soon after the attack, had a sharp tool with him. Witnesses said several shoppers and a bodyguard attempted to catch the suspect after he started “blindly” stabbing people, the Mirror reported. The attacker – named only as Konrad K – was tackled to the ground by a shopper before police arrived. The weapon was a knife and a 50-year-old woman who was attacked at the mall died later in the hospital, the regional police spokeswoman in Rzeszow, Anna Klee, was quoted by the PAP news agency as saying. "He was attacking people from behind, hitting them with the knife," Klee told PAP. A breathalyzer test revealed the man was not under the influence of alcohol when the attack occurred, the Daily Mail reported. The motive for the attack was not immediately clear. Eight people in all were taken to hospitals in Stalowa Wola, Tarnobrzeg and Sandomierz, most with serious wounds, Wierszyna said. The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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Post by Jaga on Oct 20, 2017 20:22:14 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 21, 2017 14:54:52 GMT -7
Sad story, not typical Polish by the way. These sort of attacks happen in many European and North American countries today. There are many mental unstable people in the world today. I am sorry for the loss of life of the 50 years old Polish woman which was murdered by Konrad K. I hope that these 8 wounded people will recover. Maybe the way the Polish media report on this issue is a sensible and ethical one?
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Post by Jaga on Oct 21, 2017 17:27:43 GMT -7
Pieter Every media likes to highlight the stories that shows how terrorists or immigrants are bad for the country. So, if this was done by any pro-Islamic group, they would be talking about it, but since it was a local guy.... I guess, they just feel ashamed, just like the story in Las Vegas about a wealthy guy and casino lover who went into shooting rampage. Sad story, not typical Polish by the way. These sort of attacks happen in many European and North American countries today. There are many mental unstable people in the world today. I am sorry for the loss of life of the 50 years old Polish woman whom was murdered by Konrad K. I hope that these 8 wounded people will recover. Maybe the way the Polish media report on this issue is a sensible and ethical one? |
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Post by Jaga on Oct 22, 2017 4:50:38 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Oct 22, 2017 4:58:52 GMT -7
Here is the first page of official Polish news. There is not even mention about the knife guy and his victims, but there is a story (at the bottom) about the refuuge who is an islam terrotist wiadomosci.tvp.pl/ |
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Post by pieter on Oct 22, 2017 9:01:32 GMT -7
Dear Jaga, It is a fact that in the past two 17 years violent tactics and human rights violations (a lot of murderous attacks) by Islamists, political extremists with an Muslim migrant background or native European converts who aim to establish a sharia-based Islamic state, took place in Western-Europe. The shocking political murder of Dutch film director, film producer, television director, television producer, television presenter, screenwriter, actor, critic and author Theo van Gogh by the Moroccan-Dutch Islamic terrorist Mohammed Bouyeri (born 8 March 1978), the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and the 7 July 2005 London bombings, In March 2012 in France the Toulouse and Montauban shootings, the 24 May 2014 Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting, the 2014 Tours police station stabbing (20 December 2014), the January 2015 Île-de-France attacks, the 2015 Copenhagen shootings (14–15 February 2015), the November 2015 Paris attacks (13–14 November 2015), the July 2016 Nice truck attack, the 2016 Normandy church attack (on 26 July 2016 a French Roman Catholic priest Jacques Hamel [30 November 1930 – 26 July 2016)] was murdered), in the June 2017 London Bridge attack), and the August 2017 Catalonia attacks. Not only Christian, Jewish and native European atheists and secularists are saying there is something serious wrong in Western-Europe with the hard and worrisome core of Muslim Fundametalist (Salafist/Wahhabist) Sunni-Muslim Islamist Jihadist sleeping cells, active cells and lone wolfs. With Islamic State (Daesh) next to Al Qaida and other radical/extremist Islamist groups and movements in Europe we have a serious problem.  The Dutch film director, film producer, television director, television producer, television presenter, screenwriter, actor, critic and author Theo van Gogh (23 July 1957 – 2 November 2004). Theo van Gogh was the great-grandson of Theo van Gogh, the brother of painter Vincent van Gogh. The Moroccan-Dutch Islamic terrorist and convicted murderer Mohammed Bouyeri (born 8 March 1978) who is serving a life sentence without parole in Vught for the assassination of Dutch film director Theo van Gogh. A member of the Hofstad Network, he was incarcerated in 2004.It is very important that the European authorities, intelligence communities and populations take this threat very seriously. It is not wise looking at other nations and saying we are okay, we are secure, we are safe. No, the next bomb attack, truck fast driving into a crowd of people, the next mass shooting, the next suice bomber might be on a Dutch train, on a Dutch train station, Dutch subway (Metro), Dutch stadium, music hall, Jewish Museum (Amsterdam), square or street. The next attack could take place in Warsaw, Kraków (during the Festiwal Kultury Żydowskiej; the Jewish Culture Festival), Prague (Josefov, the Jewish quarter, the famous Charles Bridge when it is full of tourists, the Wenceslas Square, the Prague Metro, or the Prague Congress Centre), Budapest, Vienna, Bratislava or Zürich. Intelligence agencies all over Europe are on high alert. The British authorities are aware of the huge risk today of new terror attacks. The terrorism and the terrorists aren't interested which ethnicity, which culture, which religion, which nationality, which political background, which color, which class and which sex it's victims have, they are only interested in the effect of their terror attacks. It is good if many people die during an attack and when they have all kinds of backgrounds so that these Islamist Salafist Jihadist extremist fanatics threaten secularists (atheists), christian, jews, Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhists, Sikh people and others. They are present in every West-European nation, in Canada, the USA, Australia and Russia. They also might become active in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech republic, because these countries openly oppose Muslim migration and Islam. The Islamophobic and xenophobic nature of Hungary and Poland are known in the Muslim world. Muslim terrorists also study history, and also remember clashes between Christian armies and Muslim armies (Poles and Turks in the battle near Vienna), the defeat of the Islamic Moors in Spain and Portugal, the Arab Period (827–1091) of Sicily in Southern-Italy and etc. I am not against Muslim migrants, Islam in Europe and the Islamic heritage in Europe. That heritage, history and cultural influence is visible and part of Europe. I am worried about the 20th century and 21th century developments in Western-Europe without hating or rejecting Muslim migrants and compatriots. I know where I am talking about Jaga. I know Turkish Muslims, Kurd Muslims, Arab (Egyptian) Muslims, Berber (Moroccan) Muslims, Afghan muslims, Bosnian Muslims, Iranian Muslims and Syrian Muslims in Arnhem in the Netherlands. I know Sunni Muslims, Shia Muslims, Sufis and Ahmadiyya Muslims from India. The Shia Muslims I met in the Netherlands were from Iran, Lebanon and Afghanistan (Hazara people). One of my colleagues is a Afghan Pashtun Sunni Muslim. He can get along with both Sunni and Shia compatriots. (But not all Sunni Muslim Afghans -the majority- except the Shia Muslim -mainly Hazara- minority. Hazara suffered severe oppression and many ethnic massacres, genocides and pogroms were carried out by the predominantly ethnic Pashtun Taliban during the nineties. Despite their prominent role in politics today as a minority they are still the target of Sunni Muslim extremists today -Taliban, Islamic Sate, Al Qaida in Afghanistan, and other fundamentalist Sunni Muslim Mujahideen) If you have good, respectable, European culture, customs, heritage, values and history respecting Muslims who are integrated and partly assimilated, like Polish Tartars, then these people are good citizens, good compatriots, respectable people in their professions and as community members of various communities. However if they do not integrate, do not respect the national, regional and European laws, customs, traditions, cultures and societies it becomes a burden, problem and thread to non-Muslim people. Why? Answer; Due to urban ghettoisation, alienation from Western societies of the migrant youth, ethnic segregation, Separatism (if you have ethnic islands, these can become Turkish, Berber or Arab enclaves), which create a new identity which is not European nor Moroccan, Turkish or Arab (connected to Turkey, Morocco, Syria, Libiya, Egypt or Iraq). You could get new Islamic identities which have nothing in common with the Muslim Turkish or Moroccan heritages of the Turkish or Moroccan grandfathers or fathers who came as guestworkers to the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. So the isolated incidents of mental unstable psychiatric patients or disturbed, frustrated and irritated individuals without a political or religious background or motivation doesn't say that the imminent threat of Islamist Jihadist terrorism is less present or dangerous. I want to make it clear that Islamist terrorists are bad for European countries, but not all immigrants with a Muslim background. Next to the Islamist terrorism the threat of Rightwing extremist terrorism and Leftwing extremist terrorism also exists in Europe. There is a worrisome problem with the lack of integration and assimilation of Muslim migrants in Western-European cities and towns. I don't say this as a xenophobe, racist or Islamophobe, but as a realist. Integrated Muslim migrants in Western-Europe agree with me on this fact. I am in contact with them. They fear both Islamist Jihadist terrorism and extremism in their own communities and rightwing extremist Neo-Nazi, Ultra-Nationalist and Populist counter terror and intimidation of people. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Oct 22, 2017 9:38:15 GMT -7
Jaga, I am not afraid, but a realist and I have seen to much extremist and radical voices, demonstrations and actions from extremist elements from the Muslim migrant community since the late eighties, to be totally immune to the thesis that there is a problem with Muslim migration and lack of integration and assimilation in the West. I am concerned about Fundamentalist Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims in Western-Europe and I am concerned about Turkish Nationalism, Kurd nationalism, Arab Nationalism, Berber Nationalism and Iranian nationalism in Europe. Not only about the thread of Al Qaida and Islamic State (Daesh) in Europe, but also about the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, Millî Görüş, Hezbollah and Hamas in Western-Europe and Turkish and Turkish Kurd Extremist groups like the Grey Wolves, PKK and the extreme left Dev Sol (The Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front, DHKP-C) which destabilize Western-European neighbourhoods with migrant communities, cities and towns. I am equally concerned about native European lunatics, fanatics and extremists from the far right (Neo-Nazi's and Ultra-Nationalist rightwing populists of the New Right) and the European Ultra-Left (aggressive and violent anti-fascists). The danger of terrorism and organised crime by various ethnic groups is larger than loon wolves who stab people or gun down people. But it is a fact that mental unstable people with for instance unemployment, low wage, video game obsession and addiction and a fascination for arms and massacres can explode and attack from a sudden impulse and mental malfunction or extremist desire. I know that the European intelligence agencies, prosecutors and police forces are calculating, examining and evaluating all possible threads, groups, subgroups, movements, clubs, parties and organisations. They are following, wiretapping and infiltrating in Islamist, extreme right, extreme left and organised crime circles. They also examine fraudulent, corrupt, suspect and untrustworthy government employee's (civil servants), representatives, directors, managers, parliamentarians, politicians, entrepreneurs, lawjers, judges, scientists and party functionaries. To avoid cases like the Guillaume Affair during the seventies in West-Germany. If we have a critical culture which goes past leftwing liberal 'political correctness' and rightwing conservative 'xenophobia, intolerance and anti-liberalism' we could move towards an improvement of our societies, in which all religions, all political ideologies and all human endeavors can be examined, watched and judged critically we could fight extremism of all kinds and work on our Democratic societies. In Democracies we try to find the middle road, to find the best way to lead our countries (nations) to a better future. Todays democracies are vulnerable, wobbly, struggling and in some sort of transformation due to new forces that entered the political arena. Trumpism, Brexit, Law and Justice (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość) in Poland, Fidesz and Jobbik in Hungary, PVV and Forum for Democracy in the Netherlands, Alternative für Deutschland in Germany, FPÖ (Freedom Party) in Austria, Front National in France, Putinism in Russia and Lega Nord in Italy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Affairen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill%C3%AE_G%C3%B6r%C3%BC%C5%9Fen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Partyen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_People%27s_Liberation_Party/FrontCheers, Pieter |
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Post by pieter on Oct 22, 2017 10:19:19 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Oct 22, 2017 11:07:36 GMT -7
Pieter, my point was that since this attack was not caused by a muslim extremist, it was not even reported by Polish mass media. This is just simply wrong! We can go over and repeat all the previous muslim attacks, but there are so many non-muslim attacks, that are dropped after they happen and do not stay in the news.
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Post by karl on Oct 22, 2017 12:51:59 GMT -7
Pieter, my point was that since this attack was not caused by a muslim extremist, it was not even reported by Polish mass media. This is just simply wrong! We can go over and repeat all the previous muslim attacks, but there are so many non-muslim attacks, that are dropped after they happen and do not stay in the news. Jaga Yes, my self did fully understand your consternation with the withholding of this story for public information, yes, it is wrong, but not unexpected with the currant and present Polish Federal situation in regards to the PiS party in charge. Or, should we say, Jaroslaw Kaczynski is in charge using the President of State, Andrzej Duda as his action figure. The publication of such negative crimes would be contrary to the foundation Mr. Kaczynski uses to support his repulsion of allowing Islamic immigrants in to Poland, as requested by Brussels to be in step to the ideals of the EU. For this reason, Mr. Kaczynsli wishes for the Polish people to feel safe by reason of his refusing to allow such immigrants in to the country. If such news of incidents such as this knife attack were to be allowed as public news, this would in turn could damage his reputation as a knowing leader. A public view of Mr. Kaczynski www.politico.eu/article/polands-powerholic-jaroslaw-kaczynski-warsaw-law-and-justice-party-pis/Jaga, I must be honest, it is very difficult for my self with most any reference of Mr. Kaczynski, I must be careful. For having never met the man, I do detest him very much and do try with great attempts to be fair with any reference to him. He is a human being and a polish patriot. Realizing this, he does deserve respect to his office even if this will not include him. Karl |
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Post by Jaga on Oct 22, 2017 19:29:00 GMT -7
Karl,
thanks for reading my post and replying. I am puzzled like you why Kaczynski is still so popular. But I have friends who would support everything he does. I guess, I am like you trying to see good in him - pariotic and trying to be effective, helping poor people. Still, he is full of hate and intolerance.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Oct 23, 2017 4:24:55 GMT -7
Karl, thanks for reading my post and replying. I am puzzled like you why Kaczynski is still so popular. But I have friends who would support everything he does. I guess, I am like you trying to see good in him - patriotic and trying to be effective, helping poor people. Still, he is full of hate and intolerance. This sounds very much like the current situation in the USA with Pres. Trump.  |
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Post by pieter on Oct 23, 2017 9:18:30 GMT -7
You got a point there Jaga. Indeed there are many attacks in Europe and the USA by non-Muslims. Mentally instabile people, called TBS (The Dutch Entrustment Act) people in the Netherlands, sectarian fanatics (from Scientology dianetics), dangerous Messianic lunatic christian fringe sects (like the extremist minister who burned a Koran without knowing the consequences of such and act and the Americans who made a really bad, B movie style anti-Islam movie -endangering American lives not only in the Muslim world, but also in other Third World countries and in Europe). Americans have experienced the 911 attacks, but not the intimate, personal attacks, the murders in London (the beheading of the British soldier on the street), Toulouse (the killing of the jewish child -girl- and her father in front of a jewish school), but to go further you have all kind of non-muslim freaks, psychopaths, fanatics and idiots with regional, local, national, personal or obscure, abstract, illogical, irrational and terrifying reasons for killing. Extreme rightwing motivations (Neo-Nazism, Ultra-Nationalism, rightwing populist separatism -segregational ideologies, like in Basque country in Spain, Flanders in Belgium and Corsica in France -where some sort of lunatic regional, aggressive, violent and vandalistic Nationalism exists, and regional xenophobia against anything non Corsican).
You have sexist sadist freaks, you have 'people haters', anti-social elements, and people who just grew up for to long in degenerate, decadent, hedonistic or just impoverished milieu's (social classes or environments) with a lot of alcoholism, drugs, violence, sexual deviant behavior. Men and women who were beaten and/or sexual abused in their youth and who are filled with pain, hatred, aversion, rejection and rage against fellow human beings and the world. Not all victims ofcourse become killers and thus perpetrators, but there are people in the USA and Europ who come from such deviant environment and families that they are simply a danger to the society. For instance because they come from a criminal anti-social family in which their great grandfather and great grandmother were unemployed, their Grandfather and grandmother, their father and mother, their brothers and sisters, their uncles and aunts, their cousins, nephews and nieces and their neighbours. People who live in white trash (trailer trash) trailer parks or impoverished low class, the underclass within the working class. Next to that you have ofcourse crazy, lunatic and psychopathic people in every class. Also dangersous mentally retarded or in contrast to that very intelligent rational mean killers and serial klllers from Middle class, high class or upper class families.
There are unfortunately killers with guns, knives, bombs, cars and trucks amongst us.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by Jaga on Oct 23, 2017 21:09:46 GMT -7
Pieter, yes, we like focus on events that prove our point. Besides all of these listed by you causes, we have lunatics like Las Vegas's wealthy guy who killed for no reason.....
This Polish guy was married and had a small kid. He killed since he felt that everybody hated him, a mentally disturbed individual.
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