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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 3:31:49 GMT -7
British veterans are welcomed in Oosterbeek, a town next to Arnhem
The Canadians did not only liberated the Dutch, they liberated them from starvation
Canadian liberators enter Amsterdam with their trucks and armoured vehicles filled with Dutch kids, ladies and young me.
In the liberation time and after that a lot of American, Canadian and British soldiers had affairs with Dutch girls and women. So there are quite a few Dutch people with an Canadian, American or British father and in some cases a Polish father, because the Poles were also our liberators. For instance the city of Breda was liberated by the Poles.
There was little left of Arnhem after the heavy battles of Market Garden. The Center was flattened down by heavy mortar, tank, machine gun fire and other damage. The German/Austrian nazi's looted the city center. And many people had nothing left. These scars are still present in many Arnhem families. They lost everything in september 1944 and in may 1945 they could'nt return to the city, because their homes, shops in the case of shop keepers, companies and thus jobs had gone, and so did their belongings. They had to start from scratch. You see that during the liberation buildings that were left are burning too. So, it was a hard tole Arnhem had to take to be liberated.
The first bridge you see is not Arnhem. Probably Nijmegen. The Arnhem bridges were destroyed during Market Garden.
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 3:31:55 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on May 5, 2018 5:45:15 GMT -7
Pieter, you added some colors to Netherlands' liberation history. I remember hearing about starvation of people in Netherlands, but I did not realize that Canadians were the main liberation force.
Referring to some international affairs. I can see how war breaks strict societal structures. Soldiers were lonely and the winners, girls were depraved of normal relationships since their potential husbands or boyfriends were either at war or dead.
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 6:02:35 GMT -7
Emotional interview with Canadian veteran
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 6:08:05 GMT -7
Pieter, you added some colors to Netherlands' liberation history. I remember hearing about starvation of people in Netherlands, but I did not realize that Canadians were the main liberation force. Referring to some international affairs. I can see how war breaks strict societal structures. Soldiers were lonely and the winners, girls were depraved of normal relationships since their potential husbands or boyfriends were either at war or dead. The Dutch famine of 1944–45, known as the Hongerwinter ("Hunger winter") in Dutch, was a famine that took place in the German-occupied part of the Netherlands, especially in the densely populated western provinces north of the great rivers, during the winter of 1944–45, near the end of World War II. A German blockade cut off food and fuel shipments from farm towns. Some 4.5 million were affected and survived because of soup kitchens. As many as 22,000 may have died because of the famine; one author estimated 18,000. Loe de Jong (1914–2005), author of The Kingdom of the Netherlands During World War II, estimated at least 22,000 deaths. Most of the victims were reported to be elderly men. The famine was alleviated by the liberation of the provinces by the Allies in May 1945. Prior to that, bread baked from flour shipped in from Sweden, and the airlift of food by the Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, and the U.S. Army Air Forces – under an agreement with the Germans that if the Germans did not shoot at the mercy flights, the Allies would not bomb the German positions – helped to mitigate the famine. These were Operations Manna and Chowhound. Operation Faust also trucked in food to the province. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%9345I wonder if the skinny kid (4:29) holding the billboard survived the famine?Many people who were starved to death, couldn't digest food after they got food. It was the same as the liberated jews, Poles, Russians, Gypsies from the concentrationcamps, many died after being liberated, because their bodies couldn't take the fat of milk, butter, cheese, meat and other products. Their bodies and minds were sometimes to weakened to survive. How tragic and sad that was, it was the case and happened. That was a side effect of the Second World War that many died after the liberation, because they were to weak, to thin, to ill. |
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 6:31:23 GMT -7
The fate of the Dutch Nazi collaborators of the NSB, WA, Landwacht, Dutch Waffen SS and others who collaborated with the Nazi occupiers was not so good.
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Post by karl on May 5, 2018 13:09:00 GMT -7
Pieter
Whilst reviewing through your presentation of war time in your country, I was taken back by the section of starvation of Dutch children and families. No people should be treated this way war or no war. With this, of course I know and realize I am standing on a bed of sand being washed by the sea waves with speaking out, but that is my own personal feelings.
It was so good of the allies in pushing to transport food to these people:
"The famine was alleviated by the liberation of the provinces by the Allies in May 1945. Prior to that, bread baked from flour shipped in from Sweden, and the airlift of food by the Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, and the U.S. Army Air Forces – under an agreement with the Germans that if the Germans did not shoot at the mercy flights, the Allies would not bomb the German positions – helped to mitigate the famine. These were Operations Manna and Chowhound. Operation Faust also trucked in food to the province".
Karl
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 15:47:50 GMT -7
I have to say to your relief Karl that there were human Wehrmacht officers and soldiers who put up food kitchens and tried to do something, but they were with their backs to the door due to their Nazi superiors in The Hague and Berlin. These Wehrmacht officers and soldiers used food from their own food supplies to serve the Dutch. It was a fact that the Germans had food and the Dutch didn't. So you had a sort of food Apartheid. The Austrian Reichskommissar in the Netherlands Arthur Seyss-Inquart, and the highest SS and Police Leader in the occupied Netherlands, the high-ranking Austrian-born SS functionary and war criminal, SS-Obergruppenführer and head of the Gestapo in the Netherlands Johann Baptist Albin Rauter (4 February 1895 – 24 March 1949) were first class thugs. Yes, Karl the greatest Nazi bastards in the Netherlands weren't German Nazi's but these two Austrian Nazi's who were responsible for the Dutch famine of 1944–45, known as the Hongerwinter ("Hunger winter").  The Austrian Nazi Arthur Seyss-Inquart The Austrian Nazi Hanns Albin Rauter The two top, leading Austrian Nazi's in the Netherlands during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands from 1940 until 1945, Reichskommissar in the Netherlands Arthur Seyss-Inquart and SS-Obergruppenführer Hanns Albin Rauter together. Hungry Dutch boy in the Holland West during the Hungerwinter of 1944-1945 (Oktober 1944-April/May 1945) Underfed Dutch child during the Hungerwinter (Dutch Famine) When the Allies advanced into the Netherlands in late 1944, the Nazi regime had attempted to enact a scorched earth policy, and some docks and harbours were destroyed. Seyss-Inquart, however, was in agreement with Armaments Minister Albert Speer over the futility of such actions, and with the open connivance of many military commanders, they greatly limited the implementation of the scorched earth orders.[2] At the very end of the " hunger winter" in April 1945, Seyss-Inquart was with difficulty persuaded by the Allies to allow airplanes to drop food for the hungry people of the occupied north-west of the country. Although he knew the war was lost, Seyss-Inquart did not want to surrender. Seyss-Inquart was a fanatical Austrian nazi. This led General Walter Bedell Smith to snap: " Well, in any case, you are going to be shot". " That leaves me cold", Seyss-Inquart replied, to which Smith then retorted: " It will". P.S.- Following the invasion of Poland, Seyss-Inquart became administrative chief for Southern Poland, but did not take up that post before the General Government was created, in which he became a deputy to the Governor General Hans Frank. He fully supported the heavy-handed policies put into effect by Frank, including persecution of Jews. He was also aware of the Abwehr's murder of dozens of Polish intellectuals. |
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Post by Jaga on May 5, 2018 16:51:27 GMT -7
Pieter,
terrible pictures. I never understood what really happened in Netherlands and why the starvation was so bad. The worst of it - this was a deliberate action of Nazi policies. I remember hearing about difficult war winters in Poland, but people were not starving to death there, maybe except the last days in ghetto.
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 16:57:03 GMT -7
Pieter Whilst reviewing through your presentation of war time in your country, I was taken back by the section of starvation of Dutch children and families. No people should be treated this way war or no war. With this, of course I know and realize I am standing on a bed of sand being washed by the sea waves with speaking out, but that is my own personal feelings. It was so good of the allies in pushing to transport food to these people: "The famine was alleviated by the liberation of the provinces by the Allies in May 1945. Prior to that, bread baked from flour shipped in from Sweden, and the airlift of food by the Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, and the U.S. Army Air Forces – under an agreement with the Germans that if the Germans did not shoot at the mercy flights, the Allies would not bomb the German positions – helped to mitigate the famine. These were Operations Manna and Chowhound. Operation Faust also trucked in food to the province". Karl You are just human Karl, there is no crime in that nor any wrong in it. Thank God many Germans and Austrians are like you today. Human people with human feelings. People who are different than Seyss-Inquart, Rauter, Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Göring and Joseph Goebbels. In Europe the spirit of Democracy, Freedom, Parliamentarianism, Federalism, liberalism, conservatism, Social Democracy, Social Democracy, Green politics and moderate patriotism is stronger today than extreme Nationalism (like the German/Austrian Nazism and Italian/Spanish Fascism), Communism (Marxism-Leninism, Bolsjewism, Maoism and Stalinism) and Islamism and other extremist sects. But we have to be alert and stay awake, because our Freedom and democracy isn't for granted today, because there are internal and external threats against it. We saw the terrible images of these Duch children during that famine in 1944/1945. But unfortunately I saw the same images recently (a few years back) in the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp in Damascus. Starving Palestinian babies, children, teenagers, women and men. No food, no water, no shelter from the cold back then. They were locked inbetween Islamic state and the Al Nusra front on one side and the Syrian army and the Palestinian Pro-Assad militia PLFP-GC (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command) and Hamas in the camp. The world was silent and let it happen.  Dead Palestinian child in the Yarmouk refugee camp in Damascus, because the Syrian regime and the Islamist rebels locked the Palestinians in and didn't let food, clean water into the camp. They didn't care about the Palestinians there, nor did the world. The Palestinian child "Alaa Al-Masri "was facing death in Al-Yarmouk camp. One-year-old Rana starved to death in Moadamia, one mile north of Damascus, Syria’s capital, in okt 16 2013. One-year-old Rana starved to death in Moadamia, one mile north of Damascus, Syria’s capital, in okt 16 2013. Duaa al Sheikh, a 7-year-old Syrian girl in Moadamia, died due to malnutrition on Friday okt 11 2013.The images of the starving Dutch children and the starving Palestinian and Syrian children look the same to me. The only difference. The Dutch children are photographed in Black and white, the photo's of the Syrian girls are in color. |
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Post by karl on May 5, 2018 18:05:15 GMT -7
Pieter
It was good of you to bring in to the light of day of starvation used as a weapon in that loused war that touched you country. Also as with the above, to bring out in to the light of recent here and now murder of children by the weapon starvation. These are innocents and deserve to be loved and cherished in a loving home, and not to be killed by the merchant of death called,"death by starvation".
I do realize what my personal wishes are, and that is to print upon the various international news papers the photographs of these children for all the world to see and to bring in to the safe homes, this type of brutality.
Even though, my self am against activist in a manner not to put in to print. But, this manner of killing children by the weapon of starvation is above and beyond reason.
Thank you for bringing these photographs in colour for all to see, hopefully, the primary most of those visitors that do not display them selves in to the open will take a good look at those photographs and place it in to their hearts and minds.
Karl
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Post by pieter on May 5, 2018 18:05:40 GMT -7
Pieter, terrible pictures. I never understood what really happened in Netherlands and why the starvation was so bad. The worst of it - this was a deliberate action of Nazi policies. I remember hearing about difficult war winters in Poland, but people were not starving to death there, maybe except the last days in ghetto. Dear Jaga, I think that during it's entire existence the German and Austrian Nazi's tried to starve to death the Polish jews in the Getto. They put hundreds of thousands of people in a to small area. Later they also brought in German jews, who were different than the Polish jews who spoke Yiddish and Polish. Cheers, Pieter |
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