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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2019 9:43:58 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2019 9:47:33 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2019 9:48:33 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2019 9:50:26 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2019 9:53:30 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 2, 2019 9:59:46 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Jul 2, 2019 22:21:19 GMT -7
Pieter, it is very interesting question whether Poles like Polish language and such... I think it depends who and how talks. Some radio-presenters have a way of using the language in the best way, using its best sounds and simplicity.. but when I hear lots of tongue-twisters in Polish I am also not sure that I really like it a lot.
When we spend a half of our life in a different reality we realize that each language has some limitations. For me English is great for science and communication, but not for poetry ... Polish can be beautiful, but it can be also troublesome with difficult sounds and grammar
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Post by pieter on Jul 3, 2019 1:29:21 GMT -7
Jaga,
Your reply is very interesting. It indeed is a very interesting question whether Poles like Polish language and such, because how people relate to their language says something about how they relate to the communication in their own country, it reveals something about their attitude towards their own culture, history, family, society, education, civilization, traditions, customs and Polish people in general. With you I also think it depends on who, how, when and where talks. Interesting were the Poles who disliked the vulgar and simplistic way their language was used and 'raped' (we Dutch should say). The vulgarity in the use of Polish language went against the esthetic values of one of the Polish men that were interviewed. I can understand him, because I can understand the vulgarity and abuse of for instance Dutch, English and German language by some people.
Like In Poland some Dutch radio-presenters have a way of using the language in the best way, using its best sounds and simplicity. But also it's beautiful creativity, the creativity to use the imagination of people in the words they use to express things. These radio presenters use that better than the more simplistic tv people or people on the street or in day to day conversations between Dutch people who know each other as colleagues, friends or meet each other as strangers on the street and have practical contact in the Dutch language to communicate with each other. The same will probably the case in Poland, but a fact is that the Polish language is more complicated than Dutch due to the Latin Grammar and spelling. And all these male and female forms in Polish.
I very well understand that you don't like tongue-twisters in Polish. Tongue-twister can break sentences, sound harsh, can make people hesitate, swallow words or even stutter, without having a Stuttering disability. In many cases of a tongue breaker, an unintended, comical talk arises.
Abuse of tongue-twisters can be the case in the sense of a shibboleth, a custom or tradition, usually a choice of phrasing or even a single word, that distinguishes one group of people from another. Shibboleths have been used throughout history in many societies as passwords, simple ways of self-identification, signaling loyalty and affinity, maintaining traditional segregation, or protecting from real or perceived threats. For foreigners who learned Polish and aren't fluent or perfect Polish speakers Polish tongue-twisters can be very hard and a mental burden to speak the language in a flexible, social, normal way.
When we spend a half of our life using different languages than our own native language we were born and raised in we realise that each language has some limitations. I found out that English, German and French have these for me. For me English is great for music, reading (literature, newspaoers and magazines and websites/blogs), journalism and communication. Poetry can be inside English language songs so for me there is poetry in English language as well, although I have limited knowledge of English and American poetry. Polish can be beautiful, but it can be also troublesome with difficult sounds and grammar as you say. I heard it from Polish family members, friends and Forum members too. I like the way Justyna presents Easy Polish while speaking whole Polish sentencesBy watching these video's on the Polish streets of Katowice with interesting Polish people I get the feeling of being in Poland and hearing a lot of Polish makes you connect to Poland and the Poles. That is the good thing of these video's. Ofcourse the level of Polish is to advanced for me to understand, but it is nice to listen to the language, seeing the images and in the same understanding the content via the English subtitles.I loved these video's very much. These are real conversations. I like the fact that they are all filmed and edited in Katowice, a large business, trade fair-, coal and steel center and the eleventh-largest city in Poland and the center of the Katowice metropolitan area, which has approximately 2 million people.Katowice is the cultural centre of the entire Silesian agglomeration inhabited by over two million people and one of the leading cultural spots in Poland. Most importantly, it is a host city to some of the biggest theatrical and stage events. This also includes hosting gatherings and exhibitions well as film and musical events. Annual musical festivals such as the Rawa Blues, the Tauron New Music Festival, the Silesian Jazz Festival, the Mayday Festival and other concerts, which attract yearly hundreds of thousands of tourists from the entire country. Katowice also temporarily hosts the OFF Festival, the most important alternative event in Poland.Katowice is the seat of an internationally renowned Karol Szymanowski Academy of Music, as well as the Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra. The Silesian Philharmonic also has its seat in Katowice. The opening of a new architectural complex of the National Polish Radio Orchestra took place in 2014.The Karol Szymanowski Academy of Music in Katowice The Karol Szymanowski Academy of Music in Katowice The Karol Szymanowski Academy of Music in Katowice Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Jaga on Aug 4, 2019 21:51:52 GMT -7
Pieter, thanks for the video about the small talk. I think there is a small talk in Poland but different than in Great Britain. We always joke that Brits can talk about the weather all the time.... In Poland people start talking when for instance the bus does not show up too long or in the train during the long travel.
Thanks for nice pictures from Katowice and Silesia.
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