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Post by Jaga on Jul 14, 2019 20:04:24 GMT -7
I experienced this type of treatment during one of the 4th of July parades here in Idaho Falls, when I objected when kids took all the candies from my small Ela....
but the racists views of our president are more and more obvious.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jul 15, 2019 2:54:28 GMT -7
I experienced this type of treatment during one of the 4th of July parades here in Idaho Falls, when I objected when kids took all the candies from my small Ela.... but the racists views of our president are more and more obvious. The only reason you claim the Trump is racist is that the only people who are promoting communism and socialism are people of color. Would that be a comparable observation if they were all white. I don't believe he is racist at all. Is there any surprise that it is CNN who calls him a racist?
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Post by pieter on Jul 15, 2019 3:08:34 GMT -7
John,
The situation in the USA seems to be so polarised right now that the Democrats and the Republicans seem to move to the left and the right. John, I don't agree with you that the only people promoting communism and socialism are people of color. There are black and coloured communists and socialists of course, African American Marxists, Latino socialists, Asian Social democrats, but I think that the majority of leftwing activists, students, leftwing wing of the democratic party, Green Party supporters and supporters of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Social Democrats, USA (SDUSA), the Socialist Party (USA; www.socialistpartyusa.net/), The Socialist Workers Party (SWP) ( themilitant.com/ ), the Communist Party USA ( www.cpusa.org/ ), Socialist Action (USA) and the Spartacist League (US) are white leftwing intellectuals and workers, activists and American civilians with a working class or academic background. Socialist America is a mixed business of white Americans, Afro Americans, Asians and others. You have a lot of different kind of socialist and communist brands in the USA. Western-European style British Labour socialists, Dutch/German/Scandinavia style continental European social democrats, Stalinist Marxist Leninists, Marxist Leninists,Anti-Stalinists radical left Trotskyist communists. The largest Socialist organisation with a large influence in the leftwing of the Democratic Party is the Democratic Socialists of America (DA), but next to that the progressive, leftwing Anti-capitalist, Eco-socialist Green Party of the United States and people like Ralph Nader, who is an Independent today, have influence on the left side.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jul 15, 2019 3:20:08 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 15, 2019 5:44:25 GMT -7
American communists today
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Post by Jaga on Jul 16, 2019 22:15:44 GMT -7
John,
I understand that Trump actually was married to two Slavic women. Still, what he said is very rude and claustrophobic. He is a president, you don't tell people "go back to the country you came from" to the US representative nor anybody else who is legally here.
"the only people who are promoting communism and socialism are people of color" - Sanders is white and he calls himself a socialist. I agree that African-Americans are in majority for welfare programs, but how would you send them back and where. "Socialism" and calling somebody "to leave the country" are different issues
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Post by pieter on Jul 16, 2019 23:47:30 GMT -7
Jaga and John,
African-Americans are Americans like most European Americans and Asian Americans are just Americans, not Africans. They have lived for many generations and for centuries in the USA. Trump in a Machiavellian way uses ethnicity, race and gender to score points and to divide and rule. That tactics and strategies won't last (work) on the long term. A president has to be pragmatic, to be above the parties, to rule in a responsible way and to serve his country and all his citizens. I agree with you that "Socialism" and calling somebody "to leave the country" are different issues. In Europe we are more used to "Socialism", "Social Democracy", "Radical progressive liberalism" and "Marxism" and "Marxism Leninism" than in the USA. Over here it is one of the political flavours and political streams, in the USA you only have to dominant non socialist, "Liberal" Democrats and the "conservative" Republicans, and some Independent voters and politicians who never gain power.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jul 19, 2019 7:51:21 GMT -7
John,
The situation in the USA seems to be so polarised right now that the Democrats and the Republicans seem to move to the left and the right. John, I don't agree with you that the only people promoting communism and socialism are people of color.
Cheers,
Pieter Pieter,
I agree with you on this point. My comments were aimed the 4 females of color in our congress that are promoting socialism and communism. When I read Trump's remarks it appeared he was concentrating on them and the inevitable comments that he is racist.
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2019 12:41:16 GMT -7
Dear John,
If I am correct socialism and communism is popular in university campusses pf American universities, amongst certain professors and university students, in the projects, amongst leftwing intellectuals, certain journalists, some working class groups, amongst minorities and foreign migrant marxists and socialists who came to the USA. But I do believe that the majority of communists and socialists are still people of the white American working class, leftwing intelligentsia and leftwing university students and professors of American universities. Probably some old Veterans, unionists and people of the far left wing of the leftwing of the Democratic party too. And certainly some old Independent left people and Green party people, who adhere to ecosocialist ideas.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2019 13:01:56 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 19, 2019 14:55:15 GMT -7
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