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Post by Jaga on Aug 3, 2019 22:43:56 GMT -7
There were at least three mass shooting during the last week in the US. In the last one 20 people were killed by a young man from Dallas area. He went to El Paso to kill people who looked like illegals or latinos. Texas governor wants to make it all about mental health, but there is a problem with people being inspired by white nationalism: www.mediaite.com/news/msnbc-anchor-in-u-s-you-are-more-likely-to-be-victim-of-white-nationalist-terror-than-islamic-terror/MSNBC Anchor: In U.S. You Are More Likely to Be Victim of White Nationalist Terror Than Islamic TerrorMSNBC’s Ali Velshi warned about the danger of white nationalism while reporting on the shooting in El Paso, arguing it now appeared to be more of a threat to Americans than Islamic terrorism. “You are certainly at greater risk in 2019 in America of being a victim of white nationalism than you are of being a victim of ISIS-Islamic terrorism,” Velshi said, agreeing with Pete Buttigieg’s tweet calling white nationalism a threat to national security. |
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Post by Jaga on Aug 4, 2019 21:05:30 GMT -7
Karl, there is a serious problem with white young guys having either anti-immigrants or other types of problems and an easy accessibility to guns.
I cannot even imagine what the parents of this boy who was a shooter and also shot his sister really think now about it or what they go through.
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Post by Jaga on Aug 8, 2019 3:27:48 GMT -7
Here is more about Crusius family, his father being on drugs but now turning to Jesus. Is Crusius a Dutch name? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7319821/El-Paso-Walmart-shooter-Patrick-Crusius-father-penned-book-life-drug-addiction.html EXCLUSIVE: El Paso Walmart mass shooter Patrick Crusius' father admits to nearly 40 years of drug addiction which tore apart his family and claims he has spoken directly to Jesus Patrick Crusius' father Bryan wrote a memoir of almost 40 years of drug and alcohol addiction which he says tore apart both his marriages The El Paso gunman and his twin sister Emily are Bryan Crusius' youngest children; they have an elder half-brother Austin and an elder brother, Blake Crusius Sr. writes that he has been an addict for almost 40 years despite being a therapist himself saying that he suffered from alcoholism He said he also took drugs including Vicodine, Quaaludes, hallucinogenics and magic mushrooms He now claims to be cured after Jesus spoke directly to him and having a spiritual encounter with his grandmother Mabel Book offers some insight into suspect's upbringing but does not explain the twisted racial hatred he spewed in alleged online manifesto |
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Post by pieter on Aug 8, 2019 11:54:12 GMT -7
Jaga,
In my opinion this problem exist in all countries in the world with white people of the white Caucasian race, especially of European heritage. People with a Germanic, Slavic, Latin-Romanesque, Celtic, Baltic and Basque heritage have 'White nationalist', Ethnic nationalist, ethnocentrist, American exceptionalist, European exceptionalist, nativist, Identitarian ideas about race purity, white solidarity between white peoples, and xenophobic, discriminatory, racist, islamophobe and in some cases anti-semitic ideas, ideologogies and convictions. European nationalists speak about 'The European nations of the European peoples', meaning an ethnic pure Europe for native European people with countries and nations which are inhabited by 'the Original' populations. A Europe without aliens, without non Europeans, without Africans, Asians, Arabs, Turks and jews. In the mindset and the often indoctrinated brains, hearts and minds of these young white males hatred, irritation, frustration, repulsion of other races (aliens, migrants, refugees, minorities and other religions), aggression, violence, vandalism, hate crimes, assassinations, murders, mass murders and thus terrorism are present. Often these young white agressive males are inspired by video games, and violent movies like History American X, A Clockwork Orange, Funny Games, Fight Club and others.
History American X
The Great Replacement (French: grand remplacement), also known as replacement theory, plays a role in the mindset, mentality and conviction of these young white nationalist murderers. The Great Replacement is a white nationalist right-wing conspiracy theory which states that, with the complicity of "replacist" elites, the white French population—as well as white European population in Europe at large—is being progressively replaced with non-European peoples—specifically Arab, Berber and Sub-Saharan Muslim populations from Africa and the Middle East—through mass migration, demographic growth and a European drop in the birth rate.
Centuries old ideas, traditions and customs of inequality, colonialism, internalised racism, superiority feelings and mindsets play a role in Great-Britain (the United Kingdom; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern-Ireland with the racist and British nationalist far right Protestant terrorists and militia like the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) and the largest Ulster loyalist paramilitary and vigilante group in Northern Ireland, the Ulster Defence Association (UDA). In 2006, the BBC also reported that the group has links with Combat 18.), Continental Europe, the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South-Africa (Racism of both Black and white people, against others, aliens, foreigners, immigrants and etc.) and Israel (many Israëli's have roots in Russia, Ukraine, America, South-Africa, Europe and other Western countries and take with them old European ideas, and with that also European ideas about Arabs, blacks and Asians). It is a fact that the far right and rightwing populism in Israel is as strong as it is in Europe and the USA. In that respect Israel is a Western country with European roots and thus also European/American white racism (wether it comes from jews, christians or atheist secular nationalists it doesn't matter, but it exists over there). Ofcourse you have Arab superiority feelings, Pan Arabism, Arab socialism, Nassrism, Ba'athism, a party like the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP) with their Nazi symbolism. Arabs have their xenophobia, discrimination and racism towards non-Arab Muslims (in Saoudi Arabia), black Africans, Kurds and Berbers too. In my opinion there is to little attention for this Arab superiority feeling, this Arab Nietschian Arab Übermensch idea, and the fact that many Sunni Muslim Gulf Arabs feel themselves superior towards other muslims like Indian Muslims, Pakistani Muslims, Afghan Muslims, Indonesian Muslims, Bangladeshi Muslims, Thai and Phillippinian Muslims, Malayan Muslims, Berber Muslims from North Africa and Kurd, Turkish and Persian (Iranian) Shia muslims.
Back to Great Britian and the Northern Irish Protestant terrorist group with it's Neo-nazi links:
An armed member of the neo-Nazi terrorist organization Combat 18
Blood & Honour is a neo-Nazi music promotion network and political group founded in the United Kingdom in 1987. Founded by Ian Stuart Donaldson and Nicky Crane, it is composed of White Nationalists and has links to Combat 18. The group organizes White power concerts by Rock Against Communism (RAC) bands and distributes a magazine of the same name.
There are official divisions in several countries. In the United States, two rival groups claim the name: Blood and Honour Council USA and Blood and Honour America Division. Blood & Honour is banned in several countries. Germany outlawed it in 2000, Spain in 2011, Russia in 2012, and Canada in 2019.
Blood & Honour took its name from the motto of the Hitler-Jugend, or HJ, Blut und Ehre, and a song of the same name by the White power band Skrewdriver. Sometimes the code 28 is used to represent Blood & Honour, derived from the second and eighth letters of the Latin alphabet, B and H. Though different national chapters of Blood & Honour use different Nationalist symbols based on their location, common symbolic traits include the usage of a modernised Blackletter script, colours of the Nazi German flag, and other Nazi symbolism, including the Totenkopf Death's Head insignia of the SS-Totenkopfverbände and concentration camp units and AWB-style triskele.
The Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging ([ɐfriˈkɑːnər ˌviərstants.bəˈviəχəŋ]), meaning Afrikaner Resistance Movement, commonly known by its abbreviation AWB, is a South African neo-Nazi separatist political and paramilitary organisation, often described as a White Supremacist group. Since its founding in 1973 by Eugène Terre'Blanche and six other far-right Afrikaners, it has been dedicated to secessionist Afrikaner nationalism and the creation of an independent Boer-Afrikaner republic or "Volkstaat/Boerestaat" in part of South Africa. During bilateral negotiations to end apartheid in the early 1990s, the organization terrorized and killed black South Africans.
A member of the right-wing Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging carries in the AWB flag on his pick up truck in South Africa.
On 21 June, 2019, the government of Canada placed Blood & Honor on its list of designated terrorist groups.
Members of the far right organisation Blood & Honour in France
Members of the far right organisation Blood & Honour in France
Combat 18 (C18) is a neo-Nazi terrorist organization founded in 1992. It originated in the United Kingdom, with ties to movements in Canada and the United States, and has since spread to other countries such as Germany. Combat 18 members have been suspected in numerous deaths of immigrants, non-whites, and other C18 members.
In Germany the far-right German neo-Nazi terrorist group National Socialist Underground or NSU (German: Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund) murderdered nine immigrants of Turkish, Greek and Kurdish descent between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006 and murdered the German police officer Michèle Kiesewetter on 25 April 2007 in Heilbronn in Germany.
The NSU is mostly associated with Uwe Mundlos, Uwe Böhnhardt and Beate Zschäpe, who lived together under false identities. Between 100 and 150 further associates were identified who supported the core trio in their decade-long underground life and provided them with money, false identities, and weapons.
Unlike other terror groups, the NSU had not claimed responsibility for their actions. The group's existence was only discovered following the deaths of Böhnhardt and Mundlos, and the subsequent arrest of Zschäpe.  The aggressive and violent National Rebirth of Poland (Polish: Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski, NOP) is an ultranationalist national-revolutionary far-right political party in Poland registered by the District Court in Warsaw and National Electoral Commission.
The NOP is promoting violent forms of neo-fascism and antisemitism, including Holocaust denial. According to the British historian, Dr John Pollard, neo-Nazi elements in the NOP and their racism and homophobia continue to give rise to concern in other member countries of the European Union.
To gain media attention NOP often runs shock value campaigns. During the 2007 Sejm and Senate elections NOP disseminated poster with slogan – Fascism? We are worse!
In the Netherlands, Belgium, the Scandinavian countries, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, Spain, Italy, and Greece you have all kinds of Rightwing National Populist political parties and movements, and next to them Neo-Nazi groups (Freie Kameradschaften [ de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freie_Kameradschaften ]), the Identitarian movement or Identitarianism (a post-WWII European far-right political ideology originating in France building on ontological ideas of modern German philosophy), groups like Pegida (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident (German: Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes)) and the European version of the Alt right (the Alt right in the Netherlands is called Erkenbrand), New Right and the inlfuence of Conservative revolution (German: Konservative Revolution, lit. 'Conservative Revolution'), also known as the "neo-conservative" or "neo-nationalist" movement, a German national conservative movement prominent during the Weimar Republic (1918-1933), in the years between World War I and Nazi Germany.
Confused and plunged into what historian Fritz Stern has named a deep "cultural despair", uprooted as they felt within the rationalism and scientism of the modern world, theorists of the Conservative Revolution drew inspiration from various elements of the 19th century: Friedrich Nietzche's contempt for Christian ethics, democracy and egalitarianism; the anti-modern and anti-rationalist German romanticism; an organic and organised vision of society cultivated by the Völkisch movement; a Prussian tradition of militaristic and authoritarian nationalism; as well as their own experience on the front line during the First World War, escorted by both irrational violence and comradeship spirit.
The movement influenced contemporary thinkers outside of German-speaking Europe. Among them, the Italian fascist philosopher Julius Evola is often associated to the Conservative Revolution.
The Nouvelle Droite, a French far-right philosophical movement created in the 1960s to adapt traditionalist, ethnopluralist and illiberal politics to the European post-WWII context and to distance itself from earlier forms of far-right like fascism and nazism, mainly through a project of pan-European nationalism, as well as its German counterpart the Neue Rechte, have been deeply influenced by the German Conservative Revolution.
Baron Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola (19 May 1898 – 11 June 1974), better known as Julius Evola, was an Italian philosopher, painter, spiritualist, and esotericist. He has been described as a "fascist intellectual", a "radical traditionalist", "antiegalitarian, antiliberal, antidemocratic, and antipopular", and as having been "the leading philosopher of Europe's neofascist movement".
The ideology and theoretical structure of the Identitarian movement is mainly inspired by the Nouvelle Droite and the Neue Rechete, and therefore by the Conservative Revolution.
Dear friends, I know little about the Nationalists, far right, White Nationalist, rightwing terrorist movement in the USA and probably Canada. I know that you have groups like Aryan Nation, Aryan Brotherhood and the Alt right movement in the USA next to the old Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party (ANP) in Arlington, Virginia. I have the impression that most of these mass murderers are lone wolfs. Sometimes they have connections with or are inspired by the American far right terrorists like Timothy McVeigh (1968 – 2001) and the Christ church New Zealand mosques shooters and the Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik who committed the 2011 Norway attacks.
Pieter www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/us/politics/grand-replacement-explainer.htmlwww.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-prowhite-gangs-spreading-race-hate-across-australia/news-story/7384aef1faabe901d9f6937756a76ea8
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Post by karl on Aug 8, 2019 19:56:06 GMT -7
Pieter Being you have covered this quite well, my self am some what hesitant as to possibly add or compliment your presentation. Perhaps though, to simply add a few comments as well as a professional written url that is a bit lengthy. My self am not sure of the White Supremacy groups in the USA, but to those in Europe. There is a reason for most every thing and generally some of this can be placed upon the heads of our respectful leadership. Not that they have purposely supported these various groups, but they have in a way not intended. The flood gates were unlocked by tossing the keys out to be grasped by many of these hate groups with statements made out in ignorance of cause and effect. This is described in the opening paragraphs as presented in the below url. What we need, is strong leadership that will provide focus to the public our government represents. Our various respective departments designed to protect both the central government and the public has the tools and the blue prints of progress, but this seems to escape the mindset in Berlin. In this stead, if to study beyond the senseless noise of many of these groups it becomes a voice that is asking for leadership and organization that is beyond simple statements in child like speeches. www.counterextremism.com/european-white-supremacy-groupsKarl |
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Post by Jaga on Aug 9, 2019 3:06:43 GMT -7
Pieter,
yes, the problems of nationalism exists eberywhere, and the great replacement theory works, but where people don't have an easy access to automatic weapons they don't shoot and kill that many people. So, the easy access to guns is a problem.
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Post by pieter on Aug 9, 2019 7:53:22 GMT -7
Jaga,
As a European liberal I agree with you. Problem in America is that many people believe in guns in a sort of religious right. The right to keep and bear arms (often referred to as the right to bear arms) in the USA is the people's right to possess weapons (arms) for their own defense. Only few countries recognize people's right to keep and bear arms and protect it on statutory level, and even fewer protect the right on constitutional level.
The right to keep and bear arms in the United States is a fundamental right protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, and by the constitutions of most U.S. states. The Second Amendment declares:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
In the United States, which has an English common law tradition, the concept of a right to keep and bear arms was recognized prior to the creation of a written national constitution. When colonists in the Thirteen Colonies rebelled against British control during the American Revolution they cited the 1689 English Bill of Rights as an example.
The fondness, love and attachment to fire arms is large in the USA and the lobby of the arms industry and the National Rifle Association. The NRA always points at the Second Amemendment. The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the individual right to keep and bear arms. It was ratified on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.
Cheers,
PieterSource: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms_in_the_United_Statesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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Post by karl on Aug 9, 2019 8:53:22 GMT -7
Jaga Yes, I do agree this as of the many mass shootings that have occured in the USA, But, as a reasonable person, I do not agree with the circus the media is making out of all of this. Although the writer of the following url is placing it as an opinion which is a wise move, for how do you look in side the heads of those most likely to act out such crimes as depicted? What is missing, is the blame placed on weapons such as in this case, assault weapons, for yes, these rifles are deadly if misused. What though is missing is,,personal responsibility of each individual person, and hold them to that. But this is not occuring, for civil authority is finding other aspects to blaim. It matters little if the figure of contention suffered an abused childhood, or drugs or anger, the result is still the same. The important fact of the matter, is results. We do not live in a fail safe world, accidents, sickness, crime and what ever, is the face of reality. Americans best get used to that fact. We as Europeans,, yes, we do have all of the above, and yes we do suffer for it, but,,we do not live in a dream world of one hundred percent safety. And, we live with that fact. Are we different? I do not believe so, for we are all people, human beings with dreams and hopes. Are our expectations different? I do not believe so, just to be careful as our world we live in is a fragile one and it takes but a few minutes to destroy all that we have worked for, dreamt for. www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/opinion/ar15-assault-weapon-ban.htmlOpinion It’s Too Late to Ban Assault Weapons The half-life of military-style rifles ensures they’ll be with us for many generations. Time to deal with the world as it is. By Alex Kingsbury Mr. Kingsbury is a member of the editorial board. Aug. 9, 2019 With proper care and maintenance, an AR-15 rifle manufactured today will fire just as effectively in the year 2119 and probably for decades after that. There are currently around 15 million military-style rifles in civilian hands in the United States. They are very rarely used in suicides or crimes. But when they are, the bloodshed is appalling. Acknowledging the grim reality that we will live among these guns indefinitely is a necessary first step toward making the nation safer. Frustratingly, calling for military-style rifles bans — as I have done for years — may be making other lifesaving gun laws harder to pass. President Trump on Wednesday — touring two mass shooting sites in Ohio and Texas — said that “there is no political appetite” for a new ban of assault weapons. Never mind that a majority of Americans support such a ban. Short of forced confiscation or a major cultural shift, our great-great-great-grandchildren will live side-by-side with the guns we have today and make tomorrow. That also means that we’re far closer to the beginning of the plague of mass public shootings with military-style weapons than we are to the end. Little wonder that major companies are now including mass shootings in their risk to shareholder filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Common-sense gun control measures can and do reduce accidental gun deaths and injuries, domestic violence-related deaths, homicides and suicides. Failure to enact nationwide mandatory comprehensive background checks, safe storage rules, red flag laws and robust licensing systems like those passed in Massachusetts is political negligence that will flabbergast future generations. How could they have allowed the sale of those weapons to civilians in the first place? Why didn’t they do anything about it after the mass murders began? Laws that make it safer for Americans to coexist with weapons won’t remove the contamination of military-style weapons from society, but they will certainly save some lives. Not only is confiscation politically untenable — the compliance rates of gun owners when bans are passed are laughably low. The distribution of these weapons across society makes even their prohibition nearly impossible. In 1996, Australia launched a mandatory gun buyback of 650,000 military-style weapons. While gun ownership per capita in the country declined by more than 20 percent, today Australians own more guns than they did before the buyback. New Zealand’s leaders, in the wake of the Christchurch massacre, launched a compulsory buyback effort for the tens of thousands of military-style weapons estimated to be in the country. For context: In 2016 alone, more than one million military-style weapons were added to America’s existing civilian arsenal, according to industry estimates. Not only are the number of total guns in America orders of magnitude larger than other nations, the political imagination is far less ambitious. Consider a federal assault weapons ban that Democrats introduced this year. It is purely a messaging bill since there was no chance it will win support from Republicans and become law. Yet even this thought experiment falls far short: The bill bans military-style weapons, except for the millions of military-style weapons already in circulation. America’s gun problem is far larger than military-style weapons, the mass killer’s rifle of choice. There are hundreds of millions of handguns in the country that take far, far more lives — both homicides and suicides. Given the quality of modern manufacturing, a great many of those guns will also be operational a century from now. Thinking about guns as an environmental contaminant is useful in considering the threat they pose to ours and future generations. Like radioactive waste, a gun is most often handled safely. Depending on the type, it poses varying levels of harm to humans. I put the idea of guns as an environmental contaminant to John Rosenthal, a gun owner and founder of Stop Handgun Violence. Mr. Rosenthal, whose early activism included being jailed for civil disobedience at nuclear power and weapons facilities, noted that, given the potential lethality of their products to humans over time, it is not surprising that both the nuclear industry (in 1957) and the gun industry (in 2005) secured federal legislation to help limit their liability. Like many actual environmental contaminants, guns are not evenly distributed throughout the country. Nearly one-third of residents of the United States own a gun, two-thirds of gun owners own more than one and nearly half of all firearms in civilian hands are owned by 3 percent of the population. More than 60 percent of households in Alaska contain a firearm, while fewer than 6 percent of homes in Delaware can say the same, according to one study. Alaska has among the highest gun death rates per capita in the nation. More access to guns, more gun injuries and deaths. The only way to cut the half-life of guns is to convince Americans that they’re safer without them. Yet with violent crime at historic lows and Americans still buying up semiautomatic rifles by the bushel, it’s tough to see what it will take to stop the spending. Meanwhile, fears about gun bans cause even more guns to flow into civilian circulation. Those of us hoping for a major generational shift on guns are courting disappointment. Younger Americans are far less likely to own guns than in previous generations, but those who do are more zealous about them. This doesn’t mean that cultural change isn’t possible in the long term. Perhaps children forced to participate in active shooter drills in kindergarten will develop a generational loathing of the weapons. Perhaps people who inherit arsenals from their relatives will dispose of the guns responsibly. Perhaps financial incentives like a tax on guns per household, tax credits for buybacks or mandating that gun owners carry special insurance could move the needle slightly. We already know that even modest efforts to remove environmental contaminants from a community are worth it. Perhaps if gun control advocates frankly acknowledge that military-style rifles are going to be present in American society for many generations to come, it will help assuage fears of mass confiscation and give gun owners the space they need to support sensible safeguards that will save lives. The guns — even those that make mass murders more deadly — are here to stay. Karl |
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Post by Jaga on Aug 17, 2019 12:51:55 GMT -7
Karl,
in a way I agree that it is a bit late to ban the weapons since we have so many, but at least we need to slow their flow and add rigid regulations. Otherwise we will have so many shootings in America that it would feel that we live in the Western movie or dark times of Middle Age.
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