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Post by Jaga on Sept 14, 2019 4:32:20 GMT -7
Poland wants to please the US and Trump: www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/11/state-department-approves-polands-billion-f-fighter-jet-order/Lockheed Martin has received State Department approval to sell a fleet of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to the Polish military in an estimated $6.5 billion order, part of an expanded military partnership between the United States and Poland, a NATO ally that hosts a substantial U.S. troop presence designed to deter Russia. The deal should allow the 32 U.S.-made fighter jets to gradually replace Poland’s fleet of Mikoyan MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-22 jets, both Russian-made. The country’s first delivery is expected in 2024, making it the 14th nation to operate the F-35. “This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security of the United States by improving the security of a NATO ally, which is an important force for political stability and economic progress in Europe,” the Defense Department said in its announcement. “This proposed sale of F-35s will provide Poland with a credible defense capability to deter aggression in the region and ensure interoperability with U.S. forces.” /// |
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Post by karl on Sept 14, 2019 11:31:45 GMT -7
Jaga
This should insure compensity with new modern machines such as the F-35. For as these machines age, also goes increased maintenance cost in as well as reliability in service use.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Sept 15, 2019 3:37:40 GMT -7
Karl, I hope that this would be a good loan, so that Poles will be able to buy it without being overcharged but as the American partners in the potential military conflict against the enemy.
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Post by karl on Sept 15, 2019 12:10:51 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Sept 16, 2019 5:10:18 GMT -7
Karl,
I hope you are right and this is not a political decision like it took place when Poles chose Sikorski's helicopters.
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Post by Big Pita on Sept 16, 2019 17:28:56 GMT -7
Funny, Saturday's drone attack clearly shows that jet fighters with crews will soon be a thing of the past. Like tanks. In the 90s armies were competing who would make the better tank, today no one uses them anymore ( Except for Russians  |
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Post by Big Pita on Sept 16, 2019 17:44:39 GMT -7
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Post by karl on Sept 16, 2019 19:52:53 GMT -7
Big Pita, first with the programme, welcome to the forum, it is good to have another voice with the various presentations. Second, may I offer to you of some excellent points you have made in the matter of," The Tank is a thing of the past", and with the Jet fighter with crews a thing of the past". Yes, it is agreeable, a new design fighter aircraft machine is very expensive, and with such expensive equipment, it is of some reluctance of commanders to face the loss of one in aircombate, but these are weapons and losses must be expected. One of several reasons of cost, is commensurate with what is required in such on board equipment as instruments/electronics and automatic updating with after sales attention. If cost is of consideration for initial purchase, then of course the unit cost may be trimmed with instalation of basic equipment in the place of gee wizz stoff that generals like to enjoy. But then, with the lower cost, will come the lesser of mission ability. The use of drones as you have pointed out is yes, they are very capable dependant of course of the design. Most off the shelf designs are very capable and will function very well with proper use. The other more expensive designs that are remotely flown are very very capable. With the human at controls from which ever location, has the human manner of thinking and when a situation becomes out of planning, the human mind then will consider and use other options that were not previously thought of. But yes, the Jet fighter machine with human beings guiding it will still be our foreseeable future. For in combat, control of the sky is an absolute. With this, is air to ground combat is still a neccessary means of troop support, but possibly not with use of the F-35. Some years in past whilst completing my required military duty in the Bundeswehr, not by choice, but by assigned duty in our Panzer units. By co-incidence this was following in my fathers foot steps in the Wehrmacht in the last war. In the matter of tanks/Panzer, they diffinitely have a place in todays world and well in to the future. The tank/Panzer can take ground and hold it, a fighter aircraft can take ground, but it can not hold it. For this, it is neccesary in most all combat ground missions and support for ground forces. There is an addage of the Panzer, it is the spear head for for ground forces, it is a highly mobile armoured cannon for fire support, offensive and defensive. If the Panzer is damaged in combat with out the manner of mobility, it can then be used as supporting fire power with use of the cannon. If that becomes disabled or for lack of ammunition, the Panzer then becomes an armoured fort for protection of the crew until the situation becomes unattainable, then it must be abandoned for crew safety. www.digitaltrends.com/news/saudi-arabia-oil-drone-attack-commercial-uavs/Karl |
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