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Post by Jaga on Sept 15, 2007 8:54:58 GMT -7
Guys, I really do not understand why the news are so selective. It seems that everywhere around the world there is so much talk about the fate of Madeleine as like she was the only person lost ever! Why!?! Couple of days ago a young girl and a mother dissapeared here in IF, I am pretty sure that there are many cases like that around the world. What if any of us or our kids would dissapear? Do you think that we will have so much media coverage like Madeleine? There are wars and conflicts going on, what is it, that mass-media talk about this Madeleine (nice girl and it is really pity if she is dead but... why? she is a chosen one to talk about?) Do her parents have special connections? I have heard that they are medical doctors somehow related to the royal family.
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Post by leslie on Sept 15, 2007 11:11:23 GMT -7
Jaga Many children disappear as did Maddie, and are never seem again. At the very least Maddie's mother and father had the initiative and the guts to try to do something about getting their daughter back. On so many occasions you hear about a child going missing - you hear about it that day then never again. I would rather keep on hearing about it rather than forget about it the next day or perhaps the day after.
This case is a mystery, not helped by the inadequacies (?) of the Portuguese police and their legal gags on saying anything - just leaving it to the newspapers to produce what they are best at - unfounded rumours. I hope that Maddie is still alive and not killed by the parents and that she returns.
On a wider issue, my beliefs are strained at times by all the children dying of malnutrition etc in Africa and children elsewhere being killed in bomb attacks. The majority of these are innocent little people who could have had their whole lives before them. The quote is 'Suffer the little children to come to me'! I wish the quote had said 'Adults, get on with your lives; I will protect the children so they don't have to come to me in this way'.
Leslie
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Post by bescheid on Sept 15, 2007 12:39:50 GMT -7
The entirety of the situation is very sad and deplorable. A mystery is only a foundation of lack of information. For this is the key sticky point against the parents of Madeleine. Not with standing of her being a very cute little girl, she is presently a victim of suspected foul play.
Police investigators fairly much operate in a similar manner within the confines of the known industrial world. It is the sophistication of techniques and investigation equipment that may or may not be available. But one similarity that is very common with police investigators is, they have a nose for suspicious cover stories. And the Madeleine parents are not doing so well.
As being foreign British holidayer in Portugal, it is natural for this to become an international incident for several reasons that are as valid and supportive as one another.
It is news that is salable news with public interest. The parents are British foreigners out to enjoy a Holiday time in Portugal, and their very attractive little girl is disappeared under mysteries circumstances. The parents are very distressed, the mother is very naturally upset. Very salable news as a public interest subject that may be extended with timely updates.
But, for the Portuguese Police investigation team, this is a potential hot stone, and as such places them as professionals, fairly much on the front burner of a considerable amount of hot seat.
But also. This works very well into the hands of the Portuguese Police Investigation team. With the high publicity provided by the media, it expands their resources immensely with the word being put out to the public as a multitude of multitude of various eyes and ears. The returns would be a multitude of tips and information from known and unknown sources.
But also, and also. With this high publicity becoming more and more well known, goes also an increase in tension into the parents of the child as guilt. Perhaps with the success that a confession would eventually be forthcoming from the parents to clear their conscience.
The suspicion {and it has a good sound of being plausible} is the child suffered accidental death by the hands of her mother. Both parents opted in their choice to not report her death to the police, buried the child's body as a method of concealing the incident. And as so doing, committed a crime of concealing evidence of a criminal act. For in fact, if the parents had been forth coming to attempt 1st seeking medical help for their child, then cooperating with the responding police in an honest straightforward manner. The entire incident most likely would have resulted in being written off as an unfortunate accident.
{I do trust my English will pass by the word police on this}
Charles
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Post by zooba on Sept 15, 2007 13:04:53 GMT -7
I'm just wondering - if it had been a drug overdose that caused the death, why were there traces of blood in the car?
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Post by Jaga on Sept 15, 2007 14:14:21 GMT -7
Leslie,
sorry, it is sad but then - we should have a special program talking about these kids, so that we should not listen to so called "political" news talking tabloid stories. For me Madeleine story does not represent the stories of other kids but this is just a sensation. It does not help any other kidnapped kids at all! It takes away the attention from important things in the world.
The Alaskian senator was right - people are becoming fatter and more stupid!
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Post by pieter on Sept 15, 2007 15:17:24 GMT -7
Leslie, sorry, it is sad but then - we should have a special program talking about these kids, so that we should not listen to so called "political" news talking tabloid stories. For me Madeleine story does not represent the stories of other kids but this is just a sensation. It does not help any other kidnapped kids at all! It takes away the attention from important things in the world. The Alaskian senator was right - people are becoming fatter and more stupid! Jaga, How about the Diana effect, the child is a beautiful blond, blue eyed child, the mother and father are looking like a dream ad from glossy magazines or Television shows, and today the Warhol 15 minutes of fame for anybody is extended to Reality TV. This case is an exellent example of Reality TV. If this kid had been a Mexican family on holiday in America, a Polish family on holiday in France, or Maroccan immigrants in Holland or Belgium, this would not have been such a big case, because less media attractive. Do you people remember the JonBenet Ramsey case? I have her case glued into my 1999 American holiday picture book, as an American version of the European Madeleine case today! Pieter www.karisable.com/dvcacasech.htmwww.cnn.com/US/9703/ramsey.case/index.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_murderen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
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Post by bescheid on Sept 15, 2007 19:24:41 GMT -7
I'm just wondering - if it had been a drug overdose that caused the death, why were there traces of blood in the car? Zooba This caught also my attention. The blood was discovered several days after the fact. The question though, of what person or animal is the blood from? Dead people do not bleed, but blood will transfer. It would be not so difficult using frensics with a sample of the blood cross matched with a blood sample from one of the parents for a DNA analysis for a match. Or if even the blood is human. Perhaps this has been accomplished, but information withheld for investigational purpose untill lab results are disclosed. Charles
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Post by Jaga on Sept 15, 2007 21:19:20 GMT -7
I'm just wondering - if it had been a drug overdose that caused the death, why were there traces of blood in the car? I had exactly the same thought, this all looks so irrational that why they even talk about it since one excludes the other....
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Post by leslie on Sept 16, 2007 4:35:04 GMT -7
News out today that Richard Branson, one of the most famous and richest men in the world, has stated that he will start a fund for Maddie's parents if it comes to a law case with the resulting high costs of such cases.
The inefficiency of the Portuguese police is demonstrated by the actions that they did not take - e.g. in Britain, the McCanns would have been interviewed immediately the disappearance was confirmed, not days after; the hire car that (according to the papers anyway) has shown so much, would have been taken by the British police and bonded straight away, not allowed to continue going out on hire to both the McCanns and other hirers. And Jaga is surprised why so much attention is being paid to Maddie's disappearance! Also do not believe the scurrilous articles that continue to be printed in so many European newspapers, without any foundation and probably an absence of truth.. Leslie
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Post by rdywenur on Sept 16, 2007 5:04:21 GMT -7
I have been watchig this since the start. My one question to this whole thing is this. Here are two educated people, not hurting for money (both doctors).................so why was Madeline left alone while they went off to dinner. If you are a good parent you do not leave a child alone for one second...it only takes that one second for something bad to happen. What the hell were they thinking. They should have hired a nanny to be with the kids when they couldn't be. In today's world there is no such thing as safety. Why were they not protecting her.
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Post by leslie on Sept 16, 2007 6:31:21 GMT -7
Chris (Rdy..)
I can but agree with you about leaving the children unattended - even me as a moron and not a doctor, I would never have done that. I suppose as they were eating just across the way, I think about 100 yards, and one of them went back to check every half hour, they thought that was OK. But the mystery deepens, fed by the scurrilous and fabricated rumours being printed in the newspapers, obviously because of this Portuguese law that says that the police cannot reveal anything!
Leslie
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Post by rdywenur on Sept 16, 2007 8:07:55 GMT -7
I don't know . To me something does not add up. Why were they not all eating together. It's a family vacation. If they needed one away from the children then they should have left them behind.
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Post by Jaga on Sept 16, 2007 8:58:04 GMT -7
Jaga, How about the Diana effect, the child is a beautiful blond, blue eyed child, the mother and father are looking like a dream ad from glossy magazines or Television shows, and today the Warhol 15 minutes of fame for anybody is extended to Reality TV. This case is an exellent example of Reality TV. If this kid had been a Mexican family on holiday in America, a Polish family on holiday in France, or Maroccan immigrants in Holland or Belgium, this would not have been such a big case, because less media attractive. Do you people remember the JonBenet Ramsey case? I have her case glued into my 1999 American holiday picture book, as an American version of the European Madeleine case today! Pieter Pieter, you are right of course. I just do not understand why mass media and people are so stupid to pump each other (in the way that people pay attention to the stupid mass media crap!
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Post by kaima on Sept 16, 2007 16:29:54 GMT -7
I have been watchig this since the start. I have been skipping it from the start. The girl's life is no more important to me than the same fate befalling an unknown child in Bangladesh. The media plays it up as they did when we recognized Yellow Journalism - to make a dollar. They will do it without my dime going into the pot. Then again, if everyone followed my spending activities (giving not a darn about fashion and fads), then our economy would have to be restructured from consumerism to some other philosophy. No, I am not proposing an alternative, I am only choosing my degree of participation in today's society! Kai
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Post by Jaga on Sept 16, 2007 22:33:52 GMT -7
Today the main news outlets, especially FoxNews and to the certain degree CNN were talking about O.J.Simpson as a breaking news story.
FoxNews even rearranged its programming (the regular programs were gone) so that it would talk about OJ all the time! I wish they were talking as much about any political stories. I start to agree that people are getting fatter and more stupid.
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