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Post by valpomike on Dec 10, 2007 13:54:57 GMT -7
Hollister,
I asked him, since, I don't know of any other German's in this group. I did not want to hurt anyone.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by Pawian on Dec 10, 2007 14:36:58 GMT -7
Michael, Charles is one of the most decent, honorable souls on this board and I am deeply offended by your insinuation. Not that you care one whit about my feelings or anyone that disagrees with you. Your lack of historical knowledge is overwhelming and troubling. Holly, there is no need to get annoyed. Of course there is no valpomike as a seperate existence, it is Jaga in disguise with a clear intention to add more spice and life to the forum! She plays a pike in a pond full of fat carps which need to get more energetic! Don`t pretend that you haven`t seen through her tricky plan yet!?? hahahahahahahaha
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Post by bescheid on Dec 10, 2007 14:43:12 GMT -7
Charles, How could the German people kill so many Polish, without cause. Do the people of Germany feel bad for what there fathers and grandfathers did to the world. Do you care? I feel sorry that our people, the U.S.A. could not have done more to help with this. I am sure, that the U.S.A. will never let this happen again to the Polish. We the Americans did also kill many in war, but most of the time, after action was taken againts us first, and did so in battle. We did not line them up and just kill them, or send them to a gas chamber. Michael Dabrowski Dear Michael You have asked of me a question of that I am unable to answer. For you are seeking answers, of that I have no answer, sorry.. I would tend to belive and think, the answers of that you seek, would be better served withen the confines of your history books. The war was a terrible and horrific event of several years. It served no usefull purpose and proved so destructive as to be simply un-emaginable. Michael, I think perhaps the answers you are seeking in full knowledge of education of today, is of that of what is in your heart. Charles
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Post by Jaga on Dec 10, 2007 14:45:34 GMT -7
Michael, Charles is one of the most decent, honorable souls on this board and I am deeply offended by your insinuation. Not that you care one whit about my feelings or anyone that disagrees with you. Your lack of historical knowledge is overwhelming and troubling. Holly, there is no need to get annoyed. Of course there is no valpomike as a seperate existence, it is Jaga in disguise with a clear intention to add more spice and life to the forum! She plays a pike in a pond full of fat carps which need to get more energetic! Don`t pretend that you haven`t seen through her tricky plan yet!?? hahahahahahahaha sure that's me. Maybe I like arguing with myself and being on two poles of the political spectrum. Maybe I make some people annoyed as Michael... but at least my command of English as Mike is excellent hahaha I wonder whether Michael would like to think that he is Jaga.
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Post by bescheid on Dec 10, 2007 15:00:46 GMT -7
Michael, Charles is one of the most decent, honorable souls on this board and I am deeply offended by your insinuation. Not that you care one whit about my feelings or anyone that disagrees with you. Your lack of historical knowledge is overwhelming and troubling. Thank you Chris, for you are only too kind. I am not sure of what Michael is of question. My English is highly excellent, but it is the subtle grey areas I do have trouble with. He is troubled with some questions, of that I am not sure. Charles
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Post by Pawian on Dec 10, 2007 15:11:55 GMT -7
sure that's me. Maybe I like ... being on two poles On two Poles? ? That`s pure perversion. What does your husband say to this? You have really amazed me! Hmm, how many children would you like to have altogether? Ohm I know what you mean! Congratulations if you are so happy with him... No doubt he would!
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Post by bescheid on Dec 10, 2007 15:18:24 GMT -7
Michael, Charles is one of the most decent, honorable souls on this board and I am deeply offended by your insinuation. Not that you care one whit about my feelings or anyone that disagrees with you. Your lack of historical knowledge is overwhelming and troubling. Holly, there is no need to get annoyed. Of course there is no valpomike as a seperate existence, it is Jaga in disguise with a clear intention to add more spice and life to the forum! She plays a pike in a pond full of fat carps which need to get more energetic! Don`t pretend that you haven`t seen through her tricky plan yet!?? hahahahahahahaha Oh dear, Oh dear Pawian You are such a pirate!! What are we to do with you...... Charles
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Post by pieter on Dec 10, 2007 15:27:49 GMT -7
Pieter I was at a cross road as rather to present this, for it was a great risk of considerable irritation to you and others. I took the risk for presentation of another side for information input. I take no great pleasure in presenting that war. I understand your position Charles, but I will not capitulate to a compromise or tolerance of your position. I know the view of " certain Germans", but do not see your view as the only German view. I always prefer the view of German Patriots and German Nationalists who opposed Hitler and his regime like the Catholic Clemens August Graf von Galen, the socialist Julius Leber, the German students — Sophie Scholl, her brother Hans Scholl, Alex Schmorell, Willi Graf, and Christoph Probst, of die Weiße Rose, and the conservative Carl Friedrich Goerdeler and the diplomat Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg. I hope so! Yes! Courage for what, courage to chose the side of the opressor, the barbaric rule of terror, the humiluation of human dignaty, and joyn a militairy corps of death and destruction? No many of these men were opportunists, some naïve jong fellows, some crazy christians (who could not think for themselves, but followed a fundamentalist path in which their Calvinist Reformed doctrine told them to obey whatever ruler there was, foreign or Dutch), some of them were * idealists, and others were indoctrinated fanatic warriors following an inhume ideology (as inhumane as the enemy they fought against, the Godless and Brutal Bolsjewists). In Germany and the Netherlands there were many anti-Bolsjewists who were in the same time anti-nazi, because both totalitarian systems had much in common, and even cooperated in the beginning of the war (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) in the occupation of Poland. The Polish and Ukrainians resistance fighters who fought against the Nazi's, Sovjets and their own collaborators (Stalinists and Blue Police) were the real heroes. Not the people in the West who joined the SS. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_AantjesYes, unfortunately, there were a few thousand of them! The Dutch NSB had it's women organisation De Nationaal-Socialistische Vrouwen-organisatie ( NSVO). Dutch women worked as secretaries for the SD, Gestapo and other German and Dutch Nazi organisations. nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationaal-Socialistische_Vrouwenorganisatienl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Op_ten_NoortPieter
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Post by livia on Dec 10, 2007 15:41:39 GMT -7
So it happened what I was anxious about. Instead of working I am reading this board. I am lost, who is who here, the names are dificult to work out. For instance I now totally lost track who is 'Chris'.
Pieter, thank you for your great and frank input on the Dutch collaboration issue. I read the links on National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands and on the Dutch SS. I really did! The propaganda effect of Dutch SS existence was at least as important to the Germans as the unit's military meaning. This propagnada effect seems to be alive till modern times.
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Post by livia on Dec 10, 2007 15:54:08 GMT -7
Pieter, ND is not equal to NSZ. The NSZ had its sins, but their aim was not to kill innocent people even if it happened. It was a war and the aim of the organization was to fight the enemies of Poland. You seem to on concentrate on the margins not the mainstream of the NSZ. And you've failed to cite the most important link: National Armed Forces From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Narodowe Siły Zbrojne (English National Armed Forces, NSZ) was a faction of the Polish resistance movement in World War II, fighting the Nazi German occupation of Poland in General Government. NSZ was created on September 20, 1942. It reached about a total of 75,000 members. Part of NSZ joined the Armia Krajowa in March of 1944. The one arm that did not join was known as NSZ-ZJ (after "Związek Jaszczurczy" or the "Salamander Union"). NSZ units took part in the Warsaw Uprising. In January 1945, the NSZ Holy Cross Mountains Brigade (Brygada Świętokrzyska) retreated before the Red Army with the German approval into the German Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. However, it resumed the fight against the Nazis again on May 5, 1945 in Bohemia, where the NSZ brigade freed women from a concentration camp in Holiszowo. The brigade suffered heavy casualties. NSZ occupied the extreme right wing of the political spectrum. Its program included the fight for Polish independence against the Nazi Germany as well as the Stalinist Soviet Union, with the aim at keeping the Second Polish Republics pre-war eastern borders while gaining additional territories to the west. During and after the war, NSZ had been subjected to provocations by Polish communists including their paramilitary organizations such as Gwardia Ludowa (GL) and Armia Ludowa (AL). Reportedly, communist partisans engaged in planting of false evidence like papers and forged receipts at the sites of their own robberies pointing fingers at NSZ. It was a method of political warfare practised against NSZ also by Polish secret police (UB) and Milicja Obywatelska (MO) right after the war as revealed by PRL court documents. NSZ has been blamed for various pacification operations; yet, not taken to war crime tribunal for lack of evidence.[1] Due to policy of non-cooperation with the Soviets, and unlike Home Army (AK), which was completely transparent to communist security services, NSZ remained an idependent military and political power also after Poland was taken over by the Red Army. The anti-communist stance of the National Armed Forces was never thoroughly analyzed though. One should not consider it as an exclusively ideological conflict. The Polish communists, controlled and at the disposal of Moscow, tried to sabotage the patriotic movement with no less energy than the German invader. The communist bands plundered the country side. Murder and rape was the order of the day. One of the NSZ goals was to give protection to the population against the banditry and violence. The NSZ described and evaluated the communist activities in the following way: "One can die by the method proven in Katyn, that is by a single shot in the back of the head, or in the Soviet Forced Labour Camps, or in the gas chambers of German concentration camps (...) there is no real difference in the way one dies (...) therefore it is our duty to stamp out the Soviet agents in Poland. This is simply demanded by the Polish reasons of state." The members of NSZ were persecuted in the Stalinist years after the war. However, in 1992, after Poland regained independence from the Soviet occupation, their soldiers were rehabilitated and given the status of war veterans.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Armed_Forces
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Post by Pawian on Dec 10, 2007 15:56:24 GMT -7
Oh dear, Oh dear Pawian You are such a pirate!! What are we to do with you...... Charles You are abusing me with bad names like pirate because I have seen through your scheme??? I know everything!! You are a part of it, together with kaima and Jaga you invented this fake person Val, you Frankensteins of the 21 century! And now you are pulling our legs and rolling on your carpeted floors, grinning maliciously during the act while we are perusing his every word!
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Post by Pawian on Dec 10, 2007 16:05:33 GMT -7
So it happened what I was anxious about. Instead of working I am reading this board. I am lost, who is who here, the names are dificult to work out. For instance I now totally lost track who is 'Chris'. Yes, there are a lot of fake personalities here, made up by the board members to liven up the forum. Chris is one of them, she was created years ago after this forum had become the operational branch of New Era Matrix. However, over the years, she managed to get out of Matrix control and started an independent cyberexistence. Unfortunately, there are several virtual clones of Chris who continually multiplies in geometric progression. Be careful, some of them might be Terminators of the worst kind!
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Post by Pawian on Dec 10, 2007 16:12:30 GMT -7
I know you don`t exist. You think you are real? ] You are just an electronic impulse, SMITH!!!
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Post by Jaga on Dec 10, 2007 16:23:42 GMT -7
So it happened what I was anxious about. Instead of working I am reading this board. I am lost, who is who here, the names are dificult to work out. For instance I now totally lost track who is 'Chris'. Pieter, thank you for your great and frank input on the Dutch collaboration issue. I read the links on National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands and on the Dutch SS. I really did! The propaganda effect of Dutch SS existence was at least as important to the Germans as the unit's military meaning. This propagnada effect seems to be alive till modern times. Livia, we are just joking. Every nick represents usually one person. We have two active ladies with the first name Chris. One has a nick "Rdywenur" and another one is called Holly from "hollister". This is a real board really, we sometimes joke, but we do not try to make it unreal and surrealistic
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Post by hollister on Dec 10, 2007 16:28:28 GMT -7
We have two active ladies with the first name Chris. Can I show this to my mom? She always wanted me to be a lady - but I always wanted to be a tomboy. She would be so proud. The Hollister Chris
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