Why Vladimir Putin is angry at Poland

[JustJohn or JJ]

Why Vladimir Putin is angry at Poland

By Vitaly Shevchenko BBC Monitoring

26 December 2019

As top Russian officials were summing up the results of 2019, one subject stood out in President Vladimir Putin's pronouncements: Poland and its role in World War Two.

Over the past seven days, he mentioned it no fewer than five times at key meetings - some of which had little to do with history or even foreign policy.

In an unusual outburst at a Defence Ministry board on 24 December, he described the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany as "scum and an anti-Semite pig".

Two hours later, he brought the subject up again at a meeting with parliamentary leaders. State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin thanked Putin and demanded an apology from Poland.

More here: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50918434#

[karl]

J.J.

It would appear the events of that darn war will not ever rest. But, non the less, the event should not be forgotten even after all these years past. One thing appears to be so even after all these years, there remains a toxic relationship between Poland and to days Russia.

For one, it matters little of this date and time who and what was the cause of the war, with this, my self hold no vested interest other then a personal matter of losing my father in that time. Even though hardly a person was/is exempt from losing one or more close relatives or parents, or for that matter left untouched by the war, it is some thing we as people must live with.

What we read as history, needs be remembered as written by and published by the country it is to be the official record for the people it represents. In this manner, that history written and used by that state as presented may differ from another. What stays constant is the dates used to mark those events as recorded.

To say one record defined as history may differ from another is a matter of opinion and viewpoint, such as the blind fellows describing what an elephant looks like.

For as above, to agree with one point of view as presented in the artical is a matter of conjecture for all people that could speak out from that time of events are dead.

For a different view of what the elephant looks like is of the following:

sputniknews.com/politics/201508231026098760-molotov-ribbentrop-pact-untold-story/

Karl

[Jaga]

John and Karl,

interesting story.
I think that Putin is playing politics as usual, just like getting his hands into the US elections. It sounds suspicious to invoke Polish ambassador in Nazi Germany. It really does not make any sense except he has something he wants to play in his hands. Putin was a part of Soviet secret service, he knows how to manipulate.

[pieter]

Folks,

Who invaded Poland on 17 September 1939, 16 days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. Who signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in Moscow on August 23, 1939. The SovjetUnion.

Who carried out a series of mass executions of about 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia in Katyn, a rural locality in Smolensky District of Smolensk Oblast, Russia, located approximately 20 kilometers (12 mi) to the west of Smolensk, the administrative center of the oblast. The SovjetUnion’s NKVD (the predecessor of the KGB).

Who deported around 10% of total population of Kresy by late 1940, with 30% of those deported dead by 1941. Who arrested and imprisoned about 500,000 Poles during 1939–1941, including former officials, officers, and natural "enemies of the people" like the clergy, but also noblemen and intellectuals. Who executed about 65,000 Poles. The Sovjets in the period 1939-1941.

Polish family members of mine from Eastern Poland were killed in Katyn (Polish officers) and deported to the SovjetUnion.

British historian Simon Sebag Montefiore states that Soviet terror in the occupied eastern Polish lands was as cruel and tragic as the Nazis' in the west. Soviet authorities brutally treated those who might oppose their rule.

Pieter

Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939–1945)

[Jaga]

Pieter, very well said. I guess the best way to defend itself is an attack and this is what Putin is just doing. Soviet Union bears quite a responsibility for WW II initial successes. They invaded Baltic countries and Poland helping Hitler and helping themselves.

[karl]

Dear Pieter

In this case my self do hold a vested interest for my friend, you.. I am so sorry for your family losses in that darn war. For yours and my family losses will never be returned, but lost for ever.

Even though war is some times necessary for survival of our respective lives and our manner of living, my self do still hate war.

May also extend to you Jaga, for your family must have suffered losses in that darn war. For this, may I extend my sincere feelings in this regard..

Karl

[pieter]

Dear Karl,

This darn Second World War will follow us for many years into the 21th century, because Europe carries so much visible scars of that war. From the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche (Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church) in Berlin to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp (Museum) in Oświęcim. From the Guernica painting of Pablo Picasso to ugly cities and towns with terrible style new buildings of the Second half of the 20th century which replaced beautiful old cities that were destroyed by the German and Austrian Nazi Luftwaffe Stuka and Heinkel bombers, the Western Allies Royal Airforce, the US Airforce and the Sovjet Airforce, German Tiger tanks, American Sherman tanks, British artillery, the Red Army and others.

The Germans are so vulnerable and allergic and intolerant towards everything related to the old original Nazi’s of the NSDAP, Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Goering, and Neo-Nazi’s. The strictest anti-Nazi laws in the world. Germans want to destroy all old Nazi buildings, everything that reminds them and foreigners of the Third Reich. Also afraid for Neo-Nazi shrines. I am against the removal of Nazi elements, because the Nazi era was part of Germany. Nice or not that period from 1933 until 1945 exsisted. The DDR also exsisted and you can’t erase everything in East-Germany which reminds of the DDR.

We live today folks. Germans are good neighbours of us and for the Poles, Danes, Czechs, French people, Austrians, Luxemburg people and the Belgians. I have male and female friends who are 50% German and 50% Dutch or 100% German.

Karl, you are a friend of mine. You are 50% German and 50% Danish and you work for a German fiirm. 2020 is different than 1942. I believe in the Free, Federal, Democratic and humanistic Germany of today, the Bundesrepublik Deutschland (the Federal Republic of Germany). Our German neighbour. Germany is 30 km away from Arnhem.

Cheers,
Pieter

[karl]

Pieter

Thank you for your reply, for until then, my self was feeling uneasy and regretful of this presentation my self have posted.

What you say is quite very true, speaking for most German people I know, it would be their great wishes to erase those Hitler years as a scar.

Germany is a very important element of my life, although I do owe my physical life to early days in Dänmark and in to my teens, but Germany provided the opportunities I may or may not have had, who knows except perhaps those with a crystal ball handy at their finger tips.

A bottom line though I must say even to the above, I would have if given the choice of the above, would have given it all away for if it would have saved Father and brought him home to us safe.

Thank you once again for your very thoughtful reply.

Karl

[kaima]

[Jaga]

Cute picture, except that Trump should drive the golf car like during one of the NATO meetings.