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Post by livia on Feb 4, 2008 3:09:45 GMT -7
They write about one battle in one edition and by many authors each. But of course I agree. But if the books are communist than they are usually distorted as if all mankind history was only the preludium for the land of constant happiness - the Soviet union ;D ;D ;D . Not all historians in that period were like Jasienica!
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Post by livia on Feb 4, 2008 3:17:36 GMT -7
I told you about 12-year-olds insurgents in Warsaw and pointed to the fact that disciplined Germans drafted boys over 16. So, it is a draw. Forger, forger, forger!!! WOW! But a nice one ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Pawian on Feb 4, 2008 7:57:32 GMT -7
But if the books are communist than they are usually distorted as if all mankind history was only the preludium for the land of constant happiness - the Soviet union ;D ;D ;D . Not all historians in that period were like Jasienica! Fortunately, the censorship couldn`t control all publications or ignored some unruly statements. It refered to Jasienica as well as many other minor authors whose books published in communist times I still keep at home .
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Post by Pawian on Feb 4, 2008 7:59:07 GMT -7
WOW! But a nice one ;D ;D ;D Yes, I like it too. It`s wawrzynek wilcze łyko. A beautiful name, a beautiful flower.
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Post by george on Feb 4, 2008 16:27:14 GMT -7
Pawian said "Do you remember our discussion about Warsaw Rising? hahahahaha"
See what i mean Livia? Of course i remember our discussion about the Warsaw Uprising. I think you made a boob out of yourself then and i think your making a "know it all boob" out of yourself to Livia also. History is somewhat like the Bible. It can be interpreted in different ways. Historical opinions are like rectums. We all have one. Right teach
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Post by valpomike on Feb 4, 2008 17:02:14 GMT -7
george,
You tell the teach, Livia, is much smarter than he is. Is his way or no way. Everything he says if all ways correct, and if you don't belive, just ask him. He has too much time on his hands, he should be working on a lesson plan.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by leslie on Feb 4, 2008 17:53:46 GMT -7
Dabrowski As you live in America I would have thought that you would have been able to write even passable English - I see for not the first time that this seems to be beyond you. Or do you just not care? Leslie
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Post by Pawian on Feb 5, 2008 13:05:16 GMT -7
Pawian said "Do you remember our discussion about Warsaw Rising? hahahahaha" See what i mean Livia? Of course i remember our discussion about the Warsaw Uprising. I think you made a boob out of yourself then and i think your making a "know it all boob" out of yourself to Livia also. History is somewhat like the Bible. It can be interpreted in different ways. Historical opinions are like rectums. We all have one. Right teach Hmm, I didn`t know this boob before. I am checking it and it means woman`s breast. ??!!! What did you mean George? Is it nice in the USA to call somebody a breast??? I suppose so, at least when I think of my wife, the comnnotations are very positive... hahahha PS. Any other logical arguments? No?? hahahahaha Just like I thought..... Just like in the Warsaw Rising Thread..... Sad...... But don`t worry! In another thread you will do much better!!!! Never lose hope! hahahahaha See you there!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Pawian on Feb 5, 2008 13:36:29 GMT -7
george, You tell the teach, Livia, is much smarter than he is. It is very possible. Women tend to be more intelligent than men, especially in Poland. ooops, I really need a translator for this superb style. Mike, can you recommend me any Mike-to-English translators? ? hahahaha Mike, do I meddle into your investigation plan??? hahahaha It seems you also have too much time. Besides, the lesson plan was worked out long ago. Now it is just carried out. But I must share some good news with you: currently I am having 2 weeks` winter holiday. Like all teachers in Poland.
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Post by Pawian on Feb 5, 2008 13:40:15 GMT -7
Dabrowski As you live in America I would have thought that you would have been able to write even passable English - I see for not the first time that this seems to be beyond you. Or do you just not care? Leslie Les, you never know, writing is lousy indeed, but Mike can be better at speaking. I can imagine how he smoothly convinces his clients to decide on his private eye agency`s services and not others`. Besides, he isn` t a teacher, he doesn`t need certain things.
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Post by valpomike on Feb 5, 2008 13:54:39 GMT -7
To all,
I do very good in my work, and have been doing it for over twenty five years, and have to turn away work. I have many others, like other investigators, come to me for help. So I guess, I am a teacher also. But I don't charge anyone for this. In the state of Indiana, there are fewer than four hundred of us doing this work, but could be over ten times that amount of teachers. Because, I do a good job, I am able to have anything I want, and travel when ever and to where ever I want. The only thing I don't have, but don't need, is a New Benz, but mine is still good, and has many miles and years left, and the new one is over $120,000. and I think this money is better in my investments, bringing me a good return. My goal is not to make any one here mad at me, but all I ask, is not to make me mad either. I also, don't like the names, so of you have been calling me. If most of you would wish that I not post, please say so. There are many great people here, but a few who are not, and you know who you are. I am sorry for taking your time, but had to say this.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by Pawian on Feb 5, 2008 14:04:43 GMT -7
To all, I do very good in my work, and have been doing it for over twenty five years, and have to turn away work. I have many others, like other investigators, come to me for help. So I guess, I am a teacher also. But I don't charge anyone for this. In the state of Indiana, there are fewer than four hundred of us doing this work, but could be over ten times that amount of teachers. Because, I do a good job, I am able to have anything I want, and travel when ever and to where ever I want. The only thing I don't have, but don't need, is a New Benz, but mine is still good, and has many miles and years left, and the new one is over $120,000. and I think this money is better in my investments, bringing me a good return. My goal is not to make any one here mad at me, but all I ask, is not to make me mad either. I also, don't like the names, so of you have been calling me. If most of you would wish that I not post, please say so. There are many great people here, but a few who are not, and you know who you are. I am sorry for taking your time, but had to say this. Michael Dabrowski Mike, now I must admit you have thrown me into a complete delight with your style of writing, compared to your earlier endevours. I wish my students could have such English at their disposal. It needs some polishing but it is lightyears from typical Mike. Thank you. As for a Benz, don`t worry. I strongly believe there will be a new case soon, and if you are as good as you claim, you are going to make a lot of dough out of it. New case like Chinatown or Big Dream, you know this stuff better than I do.......
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Post by Pawian on Feb 5, 2008 14:25:53 GMT -7
Most Polish Risings weren`t military victories. But at least they were moral victories. That`s what Poles like to say about fallen heroes: they won morally. That is why this stuff belongs to this thread too. As usual, with visual commentary. The January Uprising of 1863, launched against the Tsarist Imperial Russia was probably the most desperate of all Polish risings. It began as a spontaneous protest of young Poles against the draft to tsarist army. As there was no regular Polish army of any sort, the group of hot headed young people was soon joined by various politicians and high ranking Polish officers from the tsarist army. The insurrectionists were forced to resort to guerrilla warfare tactics and clandestine structures. Throughout the campaign, not one major fortress city in Russian-occupied Poland was captured and, while the occupying armies numbering in the hundreds of thousands were harried, they were never driven out of the country. Severe reprisals against the Poles, such as public executions or deportations to Siberia, started after the Uprising. The draft to the Tsarist Army. Hammering the scythes. The battle Seeking shelter after the battle The siege of the house Occupants leave Horrible news The battle field Drawings by Artur Grottger, 19 century artist.
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Post by Pawian on Feb 5, 2008 15:07:25 GMT -7
The January Rising was in some ways a contrast to the rebellion of 1830-31. Politically it had been carefully prepared and its underground leadership was highly organised, but its military strength was weak. There was no collision of armies; instead, partisan bands fought a guerrilla war throughout the Kingdom which soon spread to the huge forests of Lithuania and regions of Byelorussia and the Ukraine. The partisans were supported by an 'underground state', running central and local government, foreign policy, a press and an arms industry.
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The odds, however, were hopeless. Feeble attempts by France, Britain and Austria to mediate with the Tsar were ignored. As in 1830, thousands of Poles came from Austria and Prussia and from all the emigrations in the west to fight and die, but the Rising itself did not spread beyond the Russian partition. After fifteen months of desperate courage, the insurrection crumbled away, and its last leadership, headed by Romuald Traugutt, was hanged outside the Warsaw Citadel.
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The January Rising failed mainly because, without the intervention of a foreign power , partisans could not defeat a Russian army which came to number nearly 350,000 men. But its collapse was hastened by a clever stroke of politics. The underground 'government' had - as usual - promised the peasants full ownership of their land and an end to labour duties for the landlord. But in March 1864, Alexander II proclaimed a version of these reforms as his own, on behalf of the Russian government, depriving the Rising of much of its appeal to the rural poor.The spectre of the dead husband Revelation (the deported insurgent has a vision in a mine in Siberia)
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Post by uncltim on Feb 5, 2008 15:16:47 GMT -7
Stubborn pollock!!!! If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that I could retire!
The reason poland exists today is because of stubborn, hard-headed, and uncompromising polish.
Through partition, nazis, communism, and tzars. The polish never lost sight of who they were as a people. remember, all our "conquerors " are gone and the polish remain
Thats why I think my polish ancestry is pretty kick ass!
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