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Post by Pawian on Jul 9, 2007 12:45:19 GMT -7
Today the evening news abounded in very interesting, even exciting information. 1. Magazine Wprost revealed tapes on which Father Rydzyk, the influential director of Radio Maryja, said nasty things about President Kaczynski and his wife. Rydzyk said that Mrs Kaczynska is a witch who should undergo euthanasia, while Mr President is a cheater. The words were spoken on one of Rydzyk`s lectures to students of his university in April.
Is it the end of a fragile cease-fire between Terrible Twins and Father Rydzyk?
2. Deputy prime minister and Minister of Agriculture Andrzej Lepper has been dismissed by Prime Minister Kaczyński. The reasons haven`t been disclosed yet, the rumours suggest giant corruption.
Is it the end of a fragile coalition? Lepper heads the party Samoobrona which helped PiS form tyhe government and today they are ruling the country.
3. Polish soccer fans of Legia, a club from Warsaw, started fights in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania. The local police was helpless when hundreds of fans broke through onto the stadium and halted the match. They also destroyed a lot of equipment. The Lithuanians are visibly flabbergasted by Polish wild hordes.
Is it the end of Legia`s dreams to play in European championships?
Stay tuned if you want to know more!
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Post by george on Jul 9, 2007 16:56:03 GMT -7
Good God, that Father Rydzyk seems like such a crack pot. As weird as some of our American evangelical TV ministers were, this crack pot priest seems to be more out of control. Where is the Polish episcopate when it comes to this guy? Why isn't he censored? I think i know why. Ca ching! The guy has financial power. Also some of Polands Bishops and Cardinals probably agree with him. Oh boy, thats even worse.
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Post by Jaga on Jul 9, 2007 17:40:31 GMT -7
This is so amazing with father Rydzyk. I still remember him when he was a modest priest in Krakow, but he already had a charisma then... maybe a controversial charisma... but still
about the game in Wilnius. This is a shame!
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Post by Pawian on Jul 10, 2007 8:29:33 GMT -7
This is so amazing with father Rydzyk. I still remember him when he was a modest priest in Krakow, Really? I had no idea he worked in Kraków. When? Yes, it is a shame that the Lithuanian police was so unprepared! They were standing and looking at rioters.
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Post by Pawian on Jul 10, 2007 8:35:05 GMT -7
Where is the Polish episcopate when it comes to this guy? Why isn't he censored? O la la. You are dreaming of censorship. Too bad. Are you a communist??? hahahahah They used censorship as one of the main methods to control society. Do you want to control Father Rydzyk and, consequently, his 2 million fans?? What will you do with them? hahahahahahaha Of course some of them agree with Father Rydzyk. He has some support and tha`ts good because it means that the Bishops` Collegium is not unanimous. There are various fractions, options and opinions. Do you want only one option to rule?? Like in communism again? hahahahaha
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Post by Jaga on Jul 10, 2007 8:41:53 GMT -7
This is so amazing with father Rydzyk. I still remember him when he was a modest priest in Krakow, Really? I had no idea he worked in Kraków. When? Yes, it is a shame that the Lithuanian police was so unprepared! They were standing and looking at rioters. I agree, Lithuanians need to learn how to deal with the angry crowd of soccer fans. Referring to father Rydzyk, he was a priest (dzuspasterstwo u Redemptorystow na gorce dla studentow Bursy). I did not know him very well, but some of my friends knew him much better. I am pretty sure that he would not remember me by now but he would remember my friends. He was organizing the youth meeting in India in 80-es, he was organizing the New Year Eve (Sylwester), several "forbidden" movies were showed at the student center there. He was a bit controversial even there. I guess, I wrote about it before, even 20 years ago he had already printer and wireless phone (not the cellphone). About 15 years ago he dissapeared to Germany and nobody knew what is going on with him for a while.
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Post by Pawian on Jul 10, 2007 9:58:00 GMT -7
Referring to father Rydzyk, he was a priest (dzuspasterstwo u Redemptorystow na gorce dla studentow Bursy). I guess, I wrote about it before, even 20 years ago he had already printer and wireless phone (not the cellphone). About 15 years ago he dissapeared to Germany and nobody knew what is going on with him for a while. I didn`t know Bursa environment, I went to Beczka in Dominican Church.
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Post by george on Jul 10, 2007 14:42:02 GMT -7
Pawian....Wanna see the Vatican come out with their censorship stick? Wait and see when a theologian comes out against the Church's stance on birth control . They will be all over them faster than goose poop thru a tin horn. How bout when a Bishop gets cozy with " Liberation theology. Censoring them wouldn't even be a second thought. However, when a orthodox anti-semite mercedes driving millionare Catholic priest who has the support of a couple of million people spouts off, its all of a sudden " hey we can't touch this guy". Why not is what i'm asking. Besides, the Vatican is not exactly a democratic institution. Even they would admit that. Although i woudn't consider them communists
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Post by Polish Heritage Institute on Jul 10, 2007 15:27:46 GMT -7
Instead of blindly believing the liberal, anti-Catholic propaganda, ideological manipulations and misrepresentations published by Wprost Magazine, Gazeta Wyborcza and other such periodicals, you should read the full, authorized text of Fr. Rydzyk's discussion, not just edited fragments.
Let us be realistic and fair about this matter. Everyone who has studied at a university knows that almost every university professor (who teaches subjects pertaining to social behavior) can be made to look bad, if we take his (or her) lectures out of context. This was a closed university lecture/discussion, not an official public statement. This so-called scandal is just another politically motivated defamation campaign against Radio Maryja, the Catholic Church, and all public figures who support the current conservative, Catholic government.
Wprost should be taken to court for what they have done.
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Post by Pawian on Jul 10, 2007 22:02:14 GMT -7
I agree, Lithuanians need to learn how to deal with the angry crowd of soccer fans. After reading Lithuanian sources from your link, it is obvious they were confronted with such wild barbarism for the first time. Cherries! hahahahaha
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Post by Pawian on Jul 10, 2007 22:18:46 GMT -7
Pawian....Wanna see the Vatican come out with their censorship stick? Why not is what i'm asking. Besides, the Vatican is not exactly a democratic institution. Even they would admit that. Although i woudn't consider them communists I wasn`t talking about the Vatican. It is too far away and such scandal as the recent means nothing. They don`t have time to deal with something so petty as calling President`s wife a witch. There are bigger problems, really. I was talking about the Episcopate, Polish Church, all those cardinals and bishops. Some of them openly ciritisize Rydzyk and call for his removal, some support him, others say nothing. Generally they all realise there is a problem with this man but they can do nothing because they are not direct superiors of Rydzyk. It is too complicated to explain now, but in short, Rydzyk belongs to Redemptorist Order and only the head of it can punish the restive priest. It is another matter that the head doesn`t intend to do anything. But, Rydzyk may keep and state his opinion. We don`t agree with it, others do and that`s pluralism that Poles were fighting for throughout communism. The right to say what you think. Again, let me repeat, why do you want to gag Rydzyk? Don`t you understand that when Rydzyk is gagged, next day it can be you or me? The Church didn`t gag Father Zalewski who wrote a book about the relations between Polish priests and communist secret police. Some of these relations were dirty, a few priests were implicated as collaborators and agents. There were attempts to gag him, yes, of course, but to no avail because the priest and public opinion stood ground. How about trading Father Zalewski`s right to publish complicated history with Father Rydzyk`s right to say what he thinks? hahahahahaha
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Post by Pawian on Jul 10, 2007 22:48:59 GMT -7
Instead of blindly believing the liberal, anti-Catholic propaganda, ideological manipulations and misrepresentations published by Wprost Magazine, Gazeta Wyborcza and other such periodicals, you should read the full, authorized text of Fr. Rydzyk's discussion, not just edited fragments. Of course, the lecture is much longer than some seperate fragments. But why not look at fragments first? They are so lovingly spicy... Quotes: "I had talked with Mr President before the elections. And he cheated on me." "President`s wife with such euthanasia? You witch. I will get you. If you want people to get killed , go as first. No offence meant. Remember, I am not speaking as a priest now." Yes, there are misinterpretations. For example, in Wprost and other media the words "You witch!" are followed with exclamation mark. However, when you listen to Rydzyk`s voice, you can hear that he says it quietly, almost jokingly. And the words "Ja Ci dam" (I will get you) also sound very mild as if spoken to a child. Some students are even laughing because they treat it more as a joke than something serious. It can be heard in the very beginning of this broadcasting, at 6 second: Later Father Rydzyk continues to sound joking when he sends late comers to the corner at 1.39. So, I agree, they have gone too far with interpretation. Yes, it was. But Father Rydzyk is a public person and everythng what he says might be made public. Such is the fate of celebrities. No, it shouldn`t. There is freedom of speech in Poland. Father Rydzyk may say what he thinks, Wprost magazine can publish what they think is interesting.
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Post by scatts on Jul 11, 2007 1:58:55 GMT -7
I really do hope this marks the end of the road for this silly government but I suspect it is just more of their cynical game playing with the citizens of this country.
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