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Post by Jaga on Jul 24, 2007 21:08:18 GMT -7
George,
where does your sister live? The house for 850 thousands sounds like California.
Referring to praying for material things. In Poland we usually prayed for health, for bread to eat but there was not a habit to pray for property etc. I remember when I first read a book about evangelicans praying for having more money, property etc and God was allegedly listened to them and was giving them more, I did not really like it.
Catholicism is usually not that materialistic religion as more practical protestant faiths.
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Post by troubledgoodangel on Jul 25, 2007 2:44:25 GMT -7
From all that I have read, it is crystal clear by now that the 22-year old driver should not be driving an autocar. There cannot be any doubt that his speed was frightening, and that he was "showing off to the enraptured pilgrims how to take dangerous curves with the foot on the breaks." By the time he got to the worst curve at the foot of the slope ... he had no breaks! My previous points therefore stand one by one: the priests who were present were highly irresponsible by allowing this young man to speed with 70 people on board! The accompanying driver was also criminally irresponsible for not ordering him to slow down. In my youth, in Patagonia, I have been in charge of a transportation company with a fleet of 32 pickups. Our best drivers were 22 year olds. Some of them drove better than myself, taking what is called "la curva de muerte" (a U-"turn of death" with a one kilometer precipice into the Atlantic Ocean in Comodoro Rivadavia, where dozens of drivers fell to their death) on 120 miles per hour on just two wheels, with the vehicle tipped at 40 degree angle! This was the only way to take that curve, on two wheels! I confess that lacked the courage to imitate him, given that any miscalculation meant certain death. Some of my drivers, all in their early twenties, participated in dreadful accidents and remained cripled for life. But others, like this driver (a Portuguese by name Rocha), were remarkably good. Rocha never had any accident. Does this mean that he belonged in an autocar? Never! Yet the owner of the transportation company has mindlessly declared that "his young man knew better how to drive than many older people with 20 years of driving experience," and that "this was the reason why he was allowed to drive." I am absolutely devastated by the myopia of the person who owns that autocar, by the pilgrimage organizers, and by the Polish media that cannot see where the problem lies!
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Post by rdywenur on Jul 25, 2007 15:31:52 GMT -7
Jaga we have 850,000 dollar homes here too. Does not necessarily need to be in CA.
The bus trip was a terrible tragedy that everyone agrees probably could have been avoided. We do not know why God lets these things happen but it is a plan we will never know about. I have taken a bus trip ocassionally and have been on a few where I felt the driver may have been going a bit too fast. Most are on a time schedule and they are almost forced by their employers to speed in order so that they are on schedule. What is the bus driver doing while waiting for the return trip. Sleeping and resting or is he killing time waitning in some bar having a few vodkas. That is what happened here to a bus load of tourists not too long ago. 22 years old I think is much to young to be driving a bus. You need experienced drivers with good records. 22 year olds are still green between the ears.
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