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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 0:27:18 GMT -7
The ad's obviously not directed at men, either. The women are too ugly. As for Poland being a woman... Yep, one that's been constantly "double-teamed" by Germany and Russia! ;D Poland or Polska belongs to feminine kind. That`s because Poland is so attractive.... everyone desires her....
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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 0:39:43 GMT -7
Ok Pawian Pay not attention to these many dis-tractors, OK?? For I as a person appreciate your political manner of presentation. For as a fellow, I with certainty do appreciate and admire the personal image of a nice lady in body then a man, and this is for sure.... And beside, it is natural of our bodies, so where is it to say to be not proud of what we are? {Well perhaps not so much within some of us of an other age of [darn alten] as to look upon the mirror of our selves}. But really now! For why is or for why not, out bodies created in nature, is to be viewed as {un-viewable} for are we this ugly? Or, are most viewed by their religious church as this is abnormal? And as such, against the Church? I only speak of this as being curius.. Charles I am not against body and admiring its beauty. I admire my wife`s body quite often so I am not shocked at all. What I think funny in the poster is trying to gain political popularity by going naked in the public. I can be a traditional guy because I consider it silly. Imagine that instead of appearing on a poster, those women go down and run naked in the street, advertising their new feminist party. They will be shouting: Vote for us!, waving their attractive parts to people. Their leit motiff, like in the poster, will be "Nothing to hide!!!!" hahahahahahaha I think the effect on me could be the same as with the poster. A joke! I have just asked my wife: she thinks they are not serious. She is not going to vote for them. When I suggested it, she felt indignant hahahahaha The truth is that Gretkowska unnerves my wife too much.
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 0:39:51 GMT -7
The ad's obviously not directed at men, either. The women are too ugly. As for Poland being a woman... Yep, one that's been constantly "double-teamed" by Germany and Russia! ;D Poland or Polska belongs to feminine kind. That`s because Poland is so attractive.... everyone desires her.... I hope so Pawian, but in my experiance until a few years ago Poland was not desired by many people. Other ladies got more attention, for instance *France, *Italy, *Greece, *Spain, *Portugal, *Turkey, *Austria, *Switzerland, *Australia and *Canada. I don't know much people who went to Poland! The lady has become mature and beautiful, and the bad habits of the past are behind her, now she attracts newcommers (foreign investments, European structural funds and foreign tourists, businessmen and companies - Nationale Nederlanden en Fortis- ). And that is OK! Pieter *- Ofcourse I speak from a Dutch, or North-Western-European perspective, the Dutch (Benelux), (North and West-) German, Danish view, and these Europeans have something with the countries I mentioned. I think Australia and Canada are very attractive to Dutch immigrants, tourists and businesspeople, because it are Anglo-Saxon countries (English is easy for North-West Europeans, English is even easier for the Dutch than German) and a sort of Pioneer states which have a good legislation and more freedom and place for new settlements and expanding businesses. Poland is increasingly popular for Western-European farmers who have a hard time in their countries (especially the Dutch farmers have it difficult).
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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 0:43:40 GMT -7
Poland or Polska belongs to feminine kind. That`s because Poland is so attractive.... everyone desires her.... I hope so Pawian, but in my experiance until a few years ago Poland was not desired by many people. Other ladies got more attention, for instance France, Itraly, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Austrai and Switzerland. I don't know much people who went to Poland! The lady has become mature and beautiful, and the bad habits of the past are behind her, now she attracts newcommers (foreign investments, European structural funds and foreign tourists, businessmen and companies - Nationale Nederlanden en Fortis- ). And that is OK! Pieter OK, saying everyone I meant Germany and Russia primarily. They are the closest neighbours and you know that the sexiest of all is The Girl Who Lives Next Door and whom you see and desire so much everyday but she is so distant... hahahahahahaha Poland has always been such girl to Germans and Russians hahahahahaha
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 0:54:23 GMT -7
The ad's obviously not directed at men, either. The women are too ugly. As for Poland being a woman... Yep, one that's been constantly "double-teamed" by Germany and Russia! ;D Poland or Polska belongs to feminine kind. That`s because Poland is so attractive.... everyone desires her.... I hope so Pawian, but in my experiance until a few years ago Poland was not desired by many people. Other ladies got more attention, for instance *France, *Italy, *Greece, *Spain, *Portugal, *Turkey, *Austria, *Switzerland, *Australia and *Canada. I don't know much people who went to Poland! The lady has become mature and beautiful, and the bad habits of the past are behind her, now she attracts newcommers (foreign investments, European structural funds and foreign tourists, businessmen and companies - Nationale Nederlanden en Fortis- ). And that is OK! Pieter *- Ofcourse I speak from a Dutch, or North-Western-European perspective, the Dutch (Benelux), (North and West-) German, Danish view, and these Europeans have something with the countries I mentioned. I think Australia and Canada are very attractive to Dutch immigrants, tourists and businesspeople, because it are Anglo-Saxon countries (English is easy for North-West Europeans, English is even easier for the Dutch than German) and a sort of Pioneer states which have a good legislation and more freedom and place for new settlements and expanding businesses. Poland is increasingly popular for Western-European farmers who have a hard time in their countries (especially the Dutch farmers have it difficult).
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 0:55:42 GMT -7
I hope so Pawian, but in my experiance until a few years ago Poland was not desired by many people. Other ladies got more attention, for instance France, Itraly, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Austrai and Switzerland. I don't know much people who went to Poland! The lady has become mature and beautiful, and the bad habits of the past are behind her, now she attracts newcommers (foreign investments, European structural funds and foreign tourists, businessmen and companies - Nationale Nederlanden en Fortis- ). And that is OK! Pieter OK, saying everyone I meant Germany and Russia primarily. They are the closest neighbours and you know that the sexiest of all is The Girl Who Lives Next Door and whom you see and desire so much everyday but she is so distant... hahahahahahaha Poland has always been such girl to Germans and Russians hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 1:00:25 GMT -7
Unfortuantely this girl was often abused, raped, tortured, and bullied around by this boys from the hood! That is what I meant with thelady has become mature! No of the neigbour boys would dare to offend, attack or treat her badly now, because she has become strong (army, economy, skilled population, and an independant government and geo-political strategy - the Polish Corps diplomatique) and has powerful protectors (the USA, EU, NATO, UN and etc.).
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 1:03:30 GMT -7
To add to the original subject of this topic:
Even if this Partia Kobiet of Ms Gretkowska is a provocative action, a tongue in the cheek to the Polish Male politicians, it's worth while to have a women party in a country with 40 million people and 20 million women! I would never vote for a single issue party myself, like the Animal party or the Anti-migration party of mister Wilders in my own country. Feminism was a strong force in the sixtees, seventees and eightees in my country. Today you have three differant generations of feminists, the first wave, the second wave and the third wave. The last wave are young women and girls who want to be attractive and feminine on one side but fight for an equal position for women and men in the society on the other side. In the past Feminists were anti-feminine look, which they regarded as submission to the male taste. In fact they nearly were a sort of female segregationalists, because they had women pubs, women restaurants, women clubs, women vacation resorts, women media and etc. Political feminism is not that strong nowadays anymore, but you stil have the lobby and the debate. Some men were influenced by that and were also fighting for more equality. My mother and sister were very temperamentful and dominant women who demanded that I did my share of the household as a boy, as a son and brother in the house of my family (1982 - 1990).
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Post by hollister on Sept 30, 2007 3:41:42 GMT -7
I am a little uncomfortable with some of the discussion here. are we talking about the Women's Party are as an political organization and views or a group of women who decided to take a photo of themselves without clothes? When the only focus is that they don't have clothes on! Oh My! It moves the discussion away from what they are trying to say - Nothing hidden and a party for all - into a discussion about the "proper place and role of women." I think these women deserve to be heard for their views not for what they may or may not have on. I appreciate Pieter's attempts to keep the dialog in that realm.
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 3:46:58 GMT -7
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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 6:43:56 GMT -7
Unfortuantely this girl was often abused, raped, tortured, and bullied around by this boys from the hood! Well, it was the girl`s fault because she naively believed that the world was a charming place full of knights gentle with women....
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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 6:48:19 GMT -7
To add to the original subject of this topic:Even if this Partia Kobiet of Ms Gretkowska is a provocative action, a tongue in the cheek to the Polish Male politicians, it's worth while to have a women party in a country with 40 million people and 20 million women! I would never vote for a single issue party myself, like the Animal party or the Anti-migration party of mister Wilders in my own country. Feminism was a strong force in the sixtees, seventees and eightees in my country. Today you have three differant generations of feminists, the first wave, the second wave and the third wave. The last wave are young women and girls who want to be attractive and feminine on one side but fight for an equal position for women and men in the society on the other side. In the past Feminists were anti-feminine look, which they regarded as submission to the male taste. In fact they nearly were a sort of female segregationalists, because they had women pubs, women restaurants, women clubs, women vacation resorts, women media and etc. Political feminism is not that strong nowadays anymore, but you stil have the lobby and the debate. Some men were influenced by that and were also fighting for more equality. My mother and sister were very temperamentful and dominant women who demanded that I did my share of the household as a boy, as a son and brother in the house of my family (1982 - 1990). I am reading it and come to the conclusion that politically and legally Polish women have all rights. Communism was the system that made males and females equal and it continues till today. Many women occupy important positions and males have nothing against. My principals in school have been mistresses recently, it`s OK with me.
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Post by pieter on Sept 30, 2007 6:53:19 GMT -7
Unfortuantely this girl was often abused, raped, tortured, and bullied around by this boys from the hood! Well, it was the girl`s fault because she naively believed that the world was a charming place full of knights gentle with women.... Pawian, Yes, she surely was Naïve, but in the same time the bullying boys were crossing their limits, with their imperialistic hunger. They did not have enough with their quarters of the neigbourhood, they wanted it all! That's the problem! The Polish aristocratic democracy of nobility was weak, because it depended often on foreign kings they voted. We know what happened after the Poles choose Wasa! Pieter
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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 6:54:24 GMT -7
! Oh My! It moves the discussion away from what they are trying to say - Nothing hidden and a party for all - into a discussion about the "proper place and role of women." I think these women deserve to be heard for their views not for what they may or may not have on. I appreciate Pieter's attempts to keep the dialog in that realm. Oh, I see, Pieter is the good guy while I am this bad one who distracts the course of the discussion hahahahahahahahaha Let it be so hahahahaha Very well, one good thing is that you mentioned the party slogan: Nothing hidden or Nothing to hide. Can`t you see there is a giant humbug in it??? I see this party is already corrupted. Corrupted with lies, like all other parties. What should I think while reading the slogan and seeing that the women are covering themselves with a piece of cardboard? So, Nothing to hide or still something to hide? They are liars, I won`t believe them until they prove that they stick to slogans they propagate!!!!
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Post by Pawian on Sept 30, 2007 6:58:26 GMT -7
Small but pretty! I like her shapely body! And those things of hers ..... hmmm. Delicious..... hahahahahaha PS. The woman is not bad either..... However, isn`t she a bit cold? I feel sympathy for her.....
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