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Post by freetobe on Jul 20, 2008 18:34:16 GMT -7
Pieter, No offense, but after viewing the youtubes, I have to say that Polish Pop Music has a way to go. Same old same old beat with some polka rhythms added. The PLYNY is a copy of the Beatles Abbey Road. There is no identifiable melody, just musicians banging out the same old chords with a 70's rock look.
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Post by rdywenur on Jul 21, 2008 4:44:31 GMT -7
Pieter...this reminds me of my dad when he was alive and we were younger he would pull out his accordion on Sunday afternoon and make our ears bleed. Today I wish I could hear him play some of his music on that accordion. He loved playing the tango and other Polish accordion music.
In answer to FTB and Polish Pop music, my observations have been that they are coping what they have seen and heard. Some is very old as that is all they were exposed to. I hate the rap emulation. We all when involved in music copy first then somehow out of that evolves our own form of music and style..some good and some not so good. But like art it is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder.
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 21, 2008 8:03:33 GMT -7
Pieter, No offense, but after viewing the youtubes, I have to say that Polish Pop Music has a way to go. no offence here, but a question. Polish pop music has a way to go to become what?
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Post by pieter on Jul 21, 2008 9:09:45 GMT -7
Pieter, No offense, but after viewing the youtubes, I have to say that Polish Pop Music has a way to go. Same old same old beat with some polka rhythms added. The PLYNY is a copy of the Beatles Abbey Road. There is no identifiable melody, just musicians banging out the same old chords with a 70's rock look. You are partly right and partly not! You have Polish pop music which is a copy of Western stiles, Rock 'n roll, hard rock, New Wave, Punk rock, plain rock, soul, disco, sca and Reggea, and you have musicians who made their own versions like Kazik and others. I aggree with Rdywenur's response. Music always comes out of the big stream of Music history, musicians step on that train of Music (past-present-future), copy, use samples or influences and make their own versions or create new stiles. Like the Indie music of Pavement, Sonic Youth and PJ Harvey today. Or Radiohead, Beck and Bjork which are innovative bands and artists. Poles and other central- and Eastern Europeans also listen to that kind of music, like they listen to jazz and blues. In the merge of stiles new fusion exist, New stiles are born, but that takes time, especially today! Pavement - Major Leaguesnl.youtube.com/watch?v=13DfvdeH-io&feature=relatedSonic Youth - Bull in the heathernl.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4BsnXmJaIRadiohead " All I Need" nl.youtube.com/watch?v=iY4APDrl66s&feature=relatedBeck - Losernl.youtube.com/watch?v=TJN3PGqDRNgBjorknl.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAoBKagWQAPJ Harvey - Send his love to menl.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgx2OHLr6zkPieter
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 21, 2008 10:35:26 GMT -7
Music always comes out of the big stream of Music history, musicians step on that train of Music (past-present-future), copy, use samples or influences and make their own versions or create new stiles. I agree with that very much. This is art, even if pop-art. There are no strict boundaries. Let me present such example. One of the greatest hits in Poland lately is by Czesław Śpiewa. His real name is Czesław Mozil. He was born in Zabrze, Poland (1979), but from when he was 5 until 28 years old he lived in Dennmark, now in Poland again. He is a graduate of The Royal Danish Academy of Music. He sings in Polish, his accent is a bit harsh - Danish souvenir. In the music one can hear traces of rock, even punk rock, cabaret music, echoes of folk music of Central-Eastern music and his original – yet unnamed style. In the video clip I present I can see 1.allusions to the world Lautrec has painted on the example of Paris, Place Pigalle, but typical to certain regions of all European major cities of the respective times 2.traces atmosphere of 'cabaret cultue' as in Berlin of the thirties and in the famous movie 3.American artist od the movie – Buster Keaton, the sad, or wise, one 4.American boxing 5.Italian movie the title escaped me at the moment 6.classical opera and some other, more subtle allusions which I recognize as allusions but cant name
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Post by tuftabis on Jul 21, 2008 10:36:56 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Jul 21, 2008 10:39:36 GMT -7
Pieter...this reminds me of my dad when he was alive and we were younger he would pull out his accordion on Sunday afternoon and make our ears bleed. Today I wish I could hear him play some of his music on that accordion. He loved playing the tango and other Polish accordion music. In answer to FTB and Polish Pop music, my observations have been that they are coping what they have seen and heard. Some is very old as that is all they were exposed to. I hate the rap emulation. We all when involved in music copy first then somehow out of that evolves our own form of music and style..some good and some not so good. But like art it is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. Rdywy, I aggree with most of the things you write here, only disaggree on one thing Rap or Hip Hop. You had good rap or hip hop too. My teenage years would have been nothing without the rebellion, revolution and energy of the Beasty Boys, RUN DMC and Public Enemy. Clouddeadnl.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYnsa7uS9s&feature=relatedEL-P - Tuned Mass Damper nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wIyT3JTBdco&feature=relatedRomanian hip-hop nl.youtube.com/watch?v=y6XW9WtcACoMokotównl.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_kGrQtHwY&feature=relatedand Run-DMC & Aerosmithpl.youtube.com/watch?v=o8A0rhVG91U
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Post by pieter on Jul 21, 2008 10:42:36 GMT -7
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Post by freetobe on Jul 21, 2008 19:42:43 GMT -7
To all the Pop Music mavens, Is there a reason that the Polish Pop music scene escapes an American audience? Most of the comparisons you made here are known to Gen X'ers but not a child of the 60's, who grew to maturity with the Stones, Beatles, Eric Clapton, The Greatful Dead, Janis Joplin and also remembers the class of Charles Aznovour, Liza Minelli and Tony Bennett. I'm sorry but the Punkers, New Wave etc are not anywhere close to those artists. Even the disco queens, Donna Summer, Evelyn Thomas(Do you remember her big hit?) and the whole disco scene was trashed by the rockers. Kid music fans had fights over what was a superior music form. Did any of it matter? We like the sounds that are appealing to us. Events often influence composers and musicians to write and perform as they do. Maybe they just want to be part of the scene and don't have much original talent. Example: Salieri and Mozart and it trickles down to Pop Music business today
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Post by pieter on Oct 11, 2008 15:20:58 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 11, 2008 15:30:40 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 28, 2008 14:21:46 GMT -7
Vesania - Polish Black Metalnl.youtube.com/watch?v=luA9RRUkorwVesania is a Polish blackened death metal band. They were formed in 1997 with three members: Orion (guitars and lead vocals) (Behemoth, Neolithic), Daray (drums) (Vader, Neolithic, ex-Pyorrhoea), and Heinrich (bass) (Rootwater). Later members were Hatrah (keyboards) who left the band in 1999, Annahvahr (guitars and vocals), and Siegmar (keyboards) who replaced Hatrah in 2000. Their first album appearance Moonastray was a split with Black Altar and was released in 2002 by Odium Records exclusively in Poland, the release was limited to 666 copies and each album was signed with blood. 2003 saw the release of their first full length album Firefrost Arcanum by Empire Records across all of Europe. This was followed by the departure of band member Annahvahr. Their second album God the Lux was released in April, 2005. Shortly thereafter Valeo (Sammath Naur, Mortis Dei) joined the band as lead guitarist. Their third album Distractive Killusions was released in 2007 on Napalm Records, followed by their first single Rage of Reason which was released in January, 2008. Band membersTomasz "Orion" Wróblewski - guitars, vocals Dariusz "Daray" Brzozowski - drums, percussion Filip "Heinrich" Hałucha - bass Krzysztof "Siegmar" Oloś - keymaster Marcin "Valeo" Walenczykowski - guitars Former membersHatrah (1998-1999) - Keyboards Annahvahr - Guitars, Vocals DiscographyReh (Tape) (1997) Moonastray (2002) Firefrost Arcanum (Crash Records/Empire Records, 2003) God The Lux (Napalm Records, 2005) Distractive Killusions (Napalm Records, 2007) Rage of Reason (Single, Empire Records, 2008)
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Post by pieter on Oct 28, 2008 14:41:26 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 28, 2008 14:47:08 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 29, 2008 11:47:37 GMT -7
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