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Post by Jaga on Feb 15, 2007 13:33:10 GMT -7
Finally this subject is not taboo anymore. There is a common knowledge that in order to have a decent treatment in the hospital one have to give some money to the doctors, nurses etc.
Yesterday the special persecution was started against one of the famous heart doctors in Poland - he not only took huge money from patients families but also... sometimes killed the patients
Frankly, I do not know the details, mainly Bujno, Pawian or somebody else would tell us more
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Post by Jaga on Feb 15, 2007 13:35:16 GMT -7
this is a doctor who was arrested:
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Post by bujno on Feb 15, 2007 14:04:36 GMT -7
Finally this subject is not taboo anymore. There is a common knowledge that in order to have a decent treatment in the hospital one have to give some money to the doctors, nurses etc. Yesterday the special persecution was started against one of the famous heart doctors in Poland - he not only took huge money from patients families but also... sometimes killed the patients Frankly, I do not know the details, mainly Bujno, Pawian or somebody else would tell us more Jaga, very true! Public health care system is in crisis in Poland. The are queues to specialist offices and queues for the non-life saving surgeries. Some hospitals are buncrupt and don't have enough money to prolong THE LIFE SAVING therapies, and that money is gathered by the charitative organisations or just spontaneoulsy by the ordinary people. Three are many corruption cases uncovered and doctors and nurses are bieng prosecuted for wanting 'extra' money from the patients in public health care. Doctor Miroslaw Garlicki from the photo is well know in Warsaw, and was famous for the misconduct concerning corruption allegations circulating among the people. Yet, the news that he killed his patients is made up by the free Polish media And no crime was yet proved so we should remain silent until he is judged and proved guilty. The news that the whole public health system is totally corrupted are exaggearted, too. It is not. Most of the outpatients clinics and hospitals are honest and so is the majority of professionals. To have a full idea about Polish health care system one has to know that we have a paid system too. THe basic insurance covering most of the needs cost is beginning from some 600-1000 PLN per year. That is some 200- 330 USD. Such insurance covers the costs of unlimited consultations at the general physician and basic specialists, lab anlyses, echo, usg and all the other basic stuff plus enormous discounts for surgeries and private hospital stays.
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Post by hollister on Feb 15, 2007 15:56:20 GMT -7
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 15, 2007 16:17:17 GMT -7
What ever happened to the Hippocratic oath "Do no harm" Joan
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Post by bujno on Feb 16, 2007 8:03:04 GMT -7
Jaga, here's more of Public Health Care system crisis 1 in 5 Polish hospitals gravely ill 16.02.2007 One in five Polish hospitals are indebted so heavily that they face the risk of being shut down – Health Minister Zbigniew Religa said today. According to the grim data, out of 600 hospitals in Poland 130 are badly in debt. Addressing parliamentarians during a special session today Minister Religa said that the debt of 30 most troubled hospitals amounts to 900 million zloty (around 300 million dollars). He also announced that the state prepared a special help package of 150 million zloty to be available for 11 hospitals. Earlier the conservative government had also proposed a series of debt relief programs for the healthcare institutions. www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/dokument.aspx?iid=48381
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Post by bujno on Feb 16, 2007 8:11:00 GMT -7
What ever happened to the Hippocratic oath "Do no harm" Joan Joan the oath is broken soo often, unfortunately. Both in Poland and elsewhere. US including with its medical malpractice rates so high. BTW - we might not be very happy with Kaczynski Twins being elected. But they were elected in a fair and unambiguously democratic elections -if you like the comparisons between poor US and poor Poland so much.
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Post by Jaga on Feb 16, 2007 8:57:19 GMT -7
Bujno,
yes, I heard about the debt of Polish hospitals. This is what happened to one of the Wroclaw's hospials not a long time ago. Thanks for the update!
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 16, 2007 20:54:47 GMT -7
Buj, Do physicians in Poland have malpractice insurance? Or does the government pay for their "mistakes"? Or rather do patients subjected to physician "mistakes" have any legal recourse in this event? BTW, the hospital system in New York and other states is financially challenged. That means strapped for cash. The states new budget calls for closing and merging hospitals, cutbacks in Medicaid spending and other state entitlement programs. So Poland is not alone in its health care crisis. What is the "free Polish media"? Any thing like the N.J. shock jocks? BTW, do you recognize a rhetorical question when you see one?
Joan
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Post by leslie on Feb 17, 2007 6:29:05 GMT -7
Jaga
Is this a worldwide illness? In the UK we have permanent reports on the cash problems of the NHS hospitals who by the end of this financial year will owe billions. Hospitals are being close; only certain types of operations are being allowed; operation appointments are being deferred. This is not completely national as some hospitals are getting through the year without falling into too high a debt, but the majority seem to be on a cliff edge. Leslie
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Post by Pawian on Feb 17, 2007 14:05:30 GMT -7
Frankly, I do not know the details, mainly Bujno, Pawian or somebody else would tell us more For the last 2 or 3 years I have consulted GPs and specialists on a few health issues. I didn`t have to pay, it was covered by insurance. I underwent some rehabilitation (backbone) and two minor operations. We had a family child birth which we didn`t pay for (a few years before it wasn`t free). My older son spent two weeks in a hospital (suspicion of brain tumor) and he underwent all necessary examinations, including tommographic one. All this was for free and without bribes. 4 years ago on our summer holidays we consulted a child specialist on some problem and the serious examination was free. We have also frequently consulted our family pediatrician on less important issues. I have never given a doctor a bribe. Probably if I had, the treatment would have been faster and more thorough, I don`t know. But the refusal to give a bribe doesn`t mean you can`t get treatment. It is not so bright. Other people have reasons to complain. Money does play an important role. Specialists can be very expensive. During pregnancy my wife consulted a gynecologist in his private surgery, the visits cost a lot, but it was worth. The doctor looked after her when she eventually went to hospital. Unfortunately, other women, who hadn`t had costly private consultations with any doctors, were ignored during their stay in the maternal ward. Nobody talked to them or explained anything. They were really poor.
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Post by bujno on Feb 19, 2007 7:37:11 GMT -7
Buj, Do physicians in Poland have malpractice insurance? Joan, yes they have 'ubezpieczenie od odpowiedzialnoœci cywilnej' which roghly translates into civil responsibility insurance.
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Post by rdywenur on Feb 19, 2007 19:43:45 GMT -7
I think it is the governments sticking therenoses in everything and trying to have control over it. That and the pharmacuetical companies and their huge profits that drive up costs and the suites that everyone seems to have going whether they are justified or not. It has changed the whole course of health care to nothing more than a business for profit and to hell with Hipocratic oath. Today the drs must spend most to their time filling out forms instead of precious time in saving lives.
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Post by joanzaniskey on Feb 19, 2007 20:19:06 GMT -7
Strawberry, Agree with all except the form filling. Drs and hospitals now have huge staffs to do all the paper work required. Maybe that is a reason for sky rocketing medical costs, plus greed of course. Joan
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Post by Bob S on Feb 19, 2007 21:35:54 GMT -7
;D LOL A real health crises is, when your babcia doesnt' know the cure for a strange illness. LOL ;D
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