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Post by leslie on Jan 4, 2008 15:21:27 GMT -7
Chris (Holli) Just seen Omaba again on the BBC 2200h News. A recorded few minutes of him addressing the crowd after his win and he said "We will remake America and we will save the world".
Leslie
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Post by hollister on Jan 4, 2008 15:47:20 GMT -7
Leslie, I think I found the quote!
"At his final Iowa rally late Wednesday night, Obama told a wildly enthusiastic crowd of more than 1,000 at a Des Moines high school that they had a historic opportunity today.
"If you will stand up with me for one more day, if you will caucus for me, if you will reach out with me. . .," the hoarse candidate said, "I'm telling you Iowa: We won't just win this caucus. We will win this primary. And we will win this general election. And will remake America. And we will transform the world."
I was looking in his victory speech - this comment came as he was encouraging people to caucus.
Now, I don't know - and I can see how you may view his remark with a bit of suspicion and dismay. However, I think you may be reading a little more into this than is really there. Remember he is speaking to Americans - not the world here. Yes he should be aware that as a public figure he should be careful what his message is saying to everyone - especially someone who is aspiring to be President of the USA. Given that, plus the fact that during elections all candidates indulge in a little stump speech puffery. I think he was trying to evoke specific images/ideals intended to motivate actions - such as voting for him.
His image and campaign is centered around hope - he talks a lot about how we Americas do not have to fear the future - but we have a duty to be active in taking actions to make the US and the world a better place. This is in direct opposition to people such a Gulliani, for example, who it seems can not utter a sentence without saying 9/11 or stirring up images intended to make people fear others and want to bolt the doors and hide under the bed lest the bogey man comes and gets them.
So, I don't think Obama is calling for a America that tells the world what to do (as some have accused Bush of) - rather he wants to encourage Americans to be committed to the idea of working with others to make the world a better place. Could he have expressed himself better? Maybe. I think you may be mistaking enthusiasm for hubris.
PS I have NOT decided on a candidate yet!
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 4, 2008 16:53:24 GMT -7
Ya I vote for heeem anytime. He is sooo soxy. Yum yum!!
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Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2008 17:09:57 GMT -7
Hello Pawian's brother, McCain is an honest and experienced politician. He is not an establishment candidate like Romney and Guliani. Frankly, I agree with you. referring to Huckabee, I am not an evangelical and I am not a creationist. Still Huckabee seems to be much more autentic and down to earth than these other guys and what is the most important - Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and FoxNews do not like him.... that means they know that he would not do everything they want he would do things according to his conscience, he would not be the puppet boy like Bush or Brezniev (Soviet Union leader) who do what their buddies tell them to do.
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Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2008 17:11:06 GMT -7
Pawian brother, I love your picture
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Post by freetobe on Jan 4, 2008 17:35:44 GMT -7
Jaga and others, What about Huckabee the minister?
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Post by jeanne on Jan 4, 2008 18:55:59 GMT -7
Hello Pawian's brother, McCain is an honest and experienced politician. He is not an establishment candidate like Romney and Guliani. Frankly, I agree with you. Jaga, I also like McCain, but just recently, since I've learned more about him. Funny though, Romney claims that McCain IS an establishment candidate and that HE (Romney) is not! I might also agree with Pawian if I could understand what the heck he is saying! I don't think it's so much a matter of Pawian's brother coming down from the mountain as Holly said, but a matter of the vodka coming down from the cabinet!
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Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2008 19:42:32 GMT -7
Jaga, I also like McCain, but just recently, since I've learned more about him. Funny though, Romney claims that McCain IS an establishment candidate and that HE (Romney) is not! I might also agree with Pawian if I could understand what the heck he is saying! I don't think it's so much a matter of Pawian's brother coming down from the mountain as Holly said, but a matter of the vodka coming down from the cabinet! Jeanne, Romney has money and perfect mormon organization. He has a support of FoxNews and Rush Limbaugh. He is a rich CEO. He and Guliani are establishment candidates. Romney runs negative ads but he does not tell anything of substance what he would do when he would be a president... except the usual talking points. Huckabee CANNOT be an establishment candidate since he started with ZERO money and the mass media were ignoring him until he became popular enough so that they had to stop ignoring him.
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Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2008 19:43:56 GMT -7
Here I found a very interesting comparison between Huckabee and Romney and how much Romney is aloof and Huckabee for a little guy. It is from REPUBLICAN website: www.redstate.com/blogs/nighttwister/2008/jan/04/when_did_class_warfare_become_a_conservative_talking_pointFormer Governor Mike Huckabee won the Iowa Caucus running away. Looking at the exit polls, it is clear that evangelical Christian conservatives had much to do with it. There's an issue that keeps coming up with Huckabee that I want to address, and that is the issue of class warfare. Peggy Noonan in her column today makes note of something Mike Huckabee said on Jay Leno show a couple of nights ago: ***People are looking for a presidential candidate who reminds them more of the guy they work with rather than the guy that laid them off.*** more below the fold The former governor was of course referring to Mitt Romney. This is not the first time he has invoked class warfare as a talking point. Most of you I'm sure are familiar with his comment about CEOs: ***A lot of American workers are finding that their wages continue to get strapped lower and lower while CEO salaries are higher and higher. And the reality is that when you have the average CEO salary 500 times the average worker, and you have the hedge fund manager making 2,200 times that of the average worker, you're going to create a level of discontent that's going to create a huge appetite for unions.***If that sounds familiar to you it should, because John Edwards said just about the same thing in New Hampshire: ***You've got the head CEO of one of the biggest health insurance companies in America, last year he didn't make a million dollars, he didn't make tens of millions of dollars, he made hundreds of millions of dollars.*** We of course know what the liberal solution to this problem is: Redistribution of Wealth. As conservatives we know that all this accomplishes is making everyone less wealthy, and not even equally so. Those with money will still have money, those without will have less (the very people the backers claim the system would help). As evangelical Christian conservatives, we should reject this mentality for two reasons. 1. It reduces the income of everyone, there by directly decreasing our ability to spread the gospel. Money is one of the means we need to do this (which includes Christian Charity). 2. It hurts the poor the most. It is our duty to look out for the less fortunate even in who we select as our leaders. It should bother us that one of the Republican candidates for POTUS (and a self-proclaimed Christian one at that) so easily uses this talking point against one of our own. It should also give us a window into the character of the man that would use it. - Randy Ketner
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Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2008 23:42:17 GMT -7
Another faux-pas by Romney. What would be the first thing he will do when elected? ***He will build a right team. *** A right team for what? Romney is the least transparent candidate. The only thing he knows how to do is to organize the campaign but he has no clue what he would do as a president. here is more: MERRIMACK, N.H. -- To get a feel for why Mitt Romney took a drubbing in Iowa Thursday night, consider the reception he got from a little girl in the next battleground state, New Hampshire. At a recent "Ask Mitt Anything" night here, a nine-year-old girl asked the Republican candidate what is the first thing he will do as president. "I will build the right team," Mr. Romney replied matter-of-factly. "I tend to be a person driven by data and analysis, not just what's political." The girl looked at him blankly. The response was vintage Romney -- the 60-year-old über-management consultant who achieved front-runner status by planning and plotting details of his presidential bid, from PowerPoint presentations to performance benchmarks. Now, as he tries to close the biggest sale of his life, Mr. Romney's carefully-crafted "operating plan" is under siege.... For the day-to-day operations of his presidential bid, Mr. Romney's plan is similarly business-like, filled with performance benchmarks on political, fund-raising and communication objectives that are provided periodically to Mr. Romney. While rival campaigns were being run on gut-instinct and shoestring budgets, Mr. Romney brought with him all the hallmarks of corporate discipline."I love data," Mr. Romney says. His top advisers receive their own daily reports on certain "metrics" -- from the volunteer count at an event to the number of "retail stops" for shaking hands in a town. (Miles traveled by the candidate are also documented.) There's an "issue matrix" covering taxes and spending, immigration, and identity politics such as evangelicals. The matrix tells the Romney campaign that Mr. Huckabee may be vulnerable to the question of raising taxes, which he did as Arkansas governor, and that Mr. McCain may be vulnerable on illegal-immigration issues. Early on, as money poured in (including $17 million from Mr. Romney so far), a "budget committee" monitored all expenditures. The campaign decided to pump money into organization and commercials to "build infrastructure and name identification," adviser Kevin Madden says. When former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and Mr. McCain pulled out of the much-criticized Iowa straw poll in Ames this summer, Mr. Romney decided to seize on the opportunity and authorized a million-dollar expense. He won the Aug. 11 poll easily by covering supporters' costs including food, transportation and entertainment. ... from: online.wsj.com/article/SB119949556092669169.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Post by Jaga on Jan 4, 2008 23:44:43 GMT -7
Jaga and others, What about Huckabee the minister? what is wrong about being a minister? Any profession is good unless.... a candidate is a paid killer or a prostitute etc.
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Post by livia on Jan 5, 2008 3:13:24 GMT -7
I don't want Mr.Obama and people of Iowa to change my world! Could they stop the changing somewhere over Atlantic Ocean , please ;D ;D ;D
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Post by hollister on Jan 5, 2008 4:42:56 GMT -7
Jaga and others, What about Huckabee the minister? what is wrong about being a minister? Any profession is good unless.... a candidate is a paid killer or a prostitute etc. Jaga, Google this name - Wayne DuMond and Huckabee. PS We all realize that the John McCain Pawain's brother was talking about is a fictional character out of the Die Hard movies and not the Presidential candidate right?
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Post by valpomike on Jan 5, 2008 9:01:17 GMT -7
WHERE'S THE CLINTON'S, gone we all hope.
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Post by Jaga on Jan 5, 2008 10:03:34 GMT -7
+++Jaga, Google this name - Wayne DuMond and Huckabee.+++
Holly,
I heard about the rapist which was released by Huckabee. This was an error, but Huckabee released many prisoners earlier and .... this just happened. Will you prefer pres. Bush approach when he was a governor of TX he executed plenty of prisoners?
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