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Post by kaima on Mar 16, 2008 0:22:25 GMT -7
Did you escape from Dr.Evils secret lair? Were you forced to swim with sharks that had laser beams mounted on their head? Any rubber gloves involved? Hey! Maybe you, I and Charles should get together and write the next James Bond Movie! If rubber duckies qualify, I can help! Kai |
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Post by kaima on Mar 16, 2008 0:41:50 GMT -7
Jim, I guess I'm as boring as you. I have nothing to hide either. It's the ones who do that worry me. I WANT MY COUNTRY DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN TO PROTECT MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN!!! Sometimes I get a bit ticked off at those who think they are so important that our intelegence would bother to watch them...........like there aren't bigger fish to catch! Mary...........the boring! Ahhh ... I am boring as well, but DO NOT want those IDIOT draft dodgers in Washington (Bush, Cheney et. al.) running this nation as a bunch of cowards and giving in to the terrorists any more! It is WELL WORTH 3000 American lives per year to keep our freedoms. Why should we be afraid from paying the price? Give me my freedom. Keep Big Brother out of it; the way it is now the Terrorists have won. We have shown them that by radically reducing our domestic freedoms. We failed totally - so far - to show them that a brave people can remain free and accept the price of that freedom, even in the face of terrorism. We just need a strong leader who values those freedoms. It is unfair to shunt the 'War on Terrorism' off on a small portion of our population (the military) while we civilians are unwilling to make the smallest of sacrifices. Freedom is not free. Those who give up freedom in the name of security have neither freedom nor security. Kai |
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 16, 2008 4:29:23 GMT -7
If Charles was a spy he isn't going to be sitting here telling us he is nor would he have brought up this incident here.
FTB I totally agree with you and I believe they have been doing this long before they said they put it into force. What most don't understand is that this has nothing to do with if we have something to hide. It has more to do with the US American citizens loosing our rights under a false Title of "protection".
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Post by Mary on Mar 16, 2008 6:12:38 GMT -7
If Charles was a spy he isn't going to be sitting here telling us he is nor would he have brought up this incident here. I thought that would be obvious..........and that my comment here was light hearted humor........  |
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Post by joyce on Mar 16, 2008 6:47:05 GMT -7
Add me to your list of BORING people. I, too, have nothing to hide, but yet, I prefer to chose what I want people to know about me. The amount of information that is collected about individuals is staggering. I am not talking about FBI stuff-but about daily life things-such as your medical records, your work history your participation in civic and social organizations. You never know who is listening and who will use certain information about you. The phrase "Loose lips, sink ships" comes to mind.
Regarding the FBI and it's snooping-well it's been done for many years-without our knowledge-if not thru the Internet, thru wire tapping and the "spy vs. spy." Certain people are have been marked as "possible terrorists" because of their personal actions against/towards the government(s). It is those people who the FBI watch & keep tabs on. These people could be your next door neighbors and you wouldn't know it, until one day there's a SWAT team van parked in front of your house and they tell you "for your safety, you need to get out of your house." This is not a creation of a fantasy; this happens all the time. It's not just in bigger cities, it happens in the small sleepy towns too.
There are key words that investigators look for in someone's public internet postings that can give clues as to one's intentions. There have been a few on line groups that have been shut down/terminated because of their terroristic ideas/ideals-due to someone being observant.
If the FBI/government feels it's necessary to snoop into people's private lives to thwart terrorism, then it should be done. How else did they find the smaller terroristic cells that
operated in upper New York state and down in Dallas TX?
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Post by hollister on Mar 16, 2008 6:58:18 GMT -7
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Post by uncltim on Mar 16, 2008 7:38:43 GMT -7
I don't mind snooping when it is used to protect the people. I take exception when it is used to protect bureaucracy and defeat the will of the people for the benefit of a few.
I would imagine we all agree on this.
The basis of the constitution is that government exists to serve the people and derives its power from them, not the other way around. We must be vigilant to to ensure the servant knows its place.
Don't censor yourself, otherwise you have surrendered.
An example of good law enforcement,
Well, I gotta go, someone is at the door.......
Tim
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Post by Atlantis5 on Mar 16, 2008 8:29:19 GMT -7
OK Charles dear; I must ask the question that is on everyone's minds, (just think of the two of us, sitting in a Smokey bar toasting our countries with our favorite brew, no inhibitions, no secrets....) "Just what the heck do you do?" "Are you a spy or something?" Mary Ok Mary Be prepared to be very disappointed. 1st, I meant not for this to be of any situation. My primary and entire intent, was to inform all of my reason of non-response if perhaps an e-mail was in want of return. I then post of my situation as being a curiosity of mis-direction of resources and of a similar event to occur with other folks here. I realize now, that I should have chosen a more subtle manner of which I had not. I am so used to from long times back, whilst introducing a programme of action, to entice and induce by virtue of high level of success. The interest of my superiors in both co-operation and funding, it become an ingrained habit of that I must learn to control in manners of promotion. Of this, at present, I have failed, sorry... I am not a spy what so ever. I am as I am, a very boring office worker in civil service. I live in a foreign land here and must by virtue of my residency permit, abide and support all laws of the United States, this I do. The agency of responsibility, are only conducting a work assignment whilst in the line of their duty. It is over now, and I do trust from my actions none suffered intellect or professional injury to their career. If the American system follows close to ours, this will not occur, they will simply be transfered to another location and business will continue. My private live is more boring. I do not socialize and keep to a very bare minimum, any close friendships. I stay away from large gatherings and keep at a minimum any entrance to shopping areas. I have a chronic cough from severe allergies {darn the damp weather and associated mold}, I am over age, ugly, afraid of big dogs and a darn magnet to people. In other words, a married hermit trying to stay away from people and in this stead, find people smiling and beginning conversation. I look like a school master in dress. I am fully licensed by local authorities for carry of fire arms. I do not as a habit do this, but keep up my competency at one of the local arms dealer range open to the public as this still a requirement {for protection against snakes and critters of poison}. So Mary, this is my boring tale, I am sorry it was not exciting. Noten: I will be away for remainder of morning untill time: 11.00. Yes, now the reports I must submitt for this situation. {Work is never completed untill the reports are cleared} Charles |
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 16, 2008 9:01:40 GMT -7
Sorry Mary....I was sayiing it back humorously too...but I see how it could be misunderstood. Go ahead you can shoot me (but please miss)
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Post by uncltim on Mar 16, 2008 9:40:48 GMT -7
It would seem our Charles is a "reluctant celebrity". possessing great charm can be a curse!!
You have been a good sport.
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Post by Mary on Mar 16, 2008 10:44:19 GMT -7
Charles,
Fantasy can be much more exciting than our all too real and boring lives.
I think I perfer to picture you as a Bogart type man, with lots of mystery and fog all about.....................
I'm just glad you are back with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I too have a permit to carry a conceled weapon, and never do anymore. I used to have to travel a lot and carried a lot of cash at times. It was only for protection and thank goodness I never needed it.
Now days I just like to line up cans and "plunk" them!
Mary
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Post by Mary on Mar 16, 2008 10:46:52 GMT -7
Sorry Mary....I was sayiing it back humorously too...but I see how it could be misunderstood. Go ahead you can shoot me (but please miss) No Problem!  I'd never shoot any of you............................. except, maybe with a camera! Mary |
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Post by joyce on Mar 16, 2008 11:52:30 GMT -7
I don't mind snooping when it is used to protect the people. I take exception when it is used to protect bureaucracy and defeat the will of the people for the benefit of a few. I would imagine we all agree on this. The basis of the constitution is that government exists to serve the people and derives its power from them, not the other way around. We must be vigilant to to ensure the servant knows its place. Tim Making the "servant(s)" know their place(s) is like running into a brick wall sometimes. It takes one person to stand up against the servants and declare corruption, if you have the proof/hard copy evidence. Even if you do have the evidence in hand, the servants are so quick to point their fingers at someone else for making the mistakes;(no one is held accountable) but yet the "sheep" (servants) follow their leader. You really have to weigh the risks when confronting sheep. ;D |
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Post by freetobe on Mar 16, 2008 19:40:26 GMT -7
Oh Mary,
If what you say is triue about your carry permit and a concealed weapon is so, you should be concerned about our spy agencies survellience of Americans. I am not bickering with you. Though you have nothing to hide, you may want to be more cautious about what you write.
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Post by joyce on Mar 17, 2008 2:04:50 GMT -7
Oh Mary, If what you say is triue about your carry permit and a concealed weapon is so, you should be concerned about our spy agencies survellience of Americans. I am not bickering with you. Though you have nothing to hide, you may want to be more cautious about what you write. A sign seen on a shop wall... "never mind the owner's gun, be aware of the dog." No, I am not bickering either, but let's face gun ownership in the United States is quite profound. One Google search revealed that at least 42 million US households have at least one registered gun. And I think that Texans have their fair share of the arsenal. It's not uncommon, in our rural community, to see a farmer/rancher drive down the road with a shotgun on his headache rack in the back window. I don't call that an "open invitation to trouble" but a warning of sorts. I know that one can carry a concealed hand gun in the car, if you have a permit. But carrying a gun in a car is scary.Not only the thought of someone stealing it, but what if you incur a road rage incident, are you smart enough to leave that gun alone when someone makes you freaking mad? I do believe that we all have the right to bear arms-for our self protection and our domicile. Knowing when to use the gun and when to keep it locked up safe is essential. I had a detective tell me once that if I had a gun and someone was invading my home. if I pulled it out to "scare" someone, I better be ready to use it. You don't know if the intruder has a gun & would use his on you. There are a few jokes-about the self defense issue-if you shoot someone who is standing in the doorway of your home, you better make sure he falls INTO the house. This way it is self defense. I have heard more stories on the news, in Texas, about registered gun owners defending their property, shooting intruders before the police get there. When they say "that no charges are expected to be filed against the homeowner" it gives you a sense that's it okay to shoot first than ask questions later.  |
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