nathanael
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Post by nathanael on Oct 13, 2008 2:16:55 GMT -7
I just wonder what would happen if, as a result of world economic collapse, all countries declared bankruptcy? We must not forget that, in the Bible, the debts - including national debts - are to be forgiven or erased every 7 years. If the economic systems collapse, the national debts should also collapse and be forgiven! I think that this has to be an inevitable part of the solution!
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Post by nathanael on Oct 13, 2008 6:29:11 GMT -7
Unless the systemic abnormalities are corrected by people who are selfless and who understand, the world efforts will only have mixed and non-lasting results. This is the greatest danger: that people get complacent, thinking that the problems "corrected themselves." The problems are still there! I see not only a need for a World Body to monitor stock exchanges, but also a need for a single world currency. Altrimenti, the Chinese will continue profiting on the jobs that do not belong to them. Every nation should protect its job base, regardless of the world market, of the CEO's, and of globalism! I also see a need for some type of understanding between the nations able to produce, and nations able to purchase due to strong growth. This capacity should be calculated based on national growth and ability to absorb productions from nations that do not grow. China, for instance, should start buying foreign products, instead of only making their own. If she refuses, she should be compelled to do so by a World Body that monitors fairness in markets! For we must never forget that market is an ass! It has to be prodded and directed at all times!
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Post by kaima on Oct 13, 2008 8:39:14 GMT -7
Nathanael,
There is nothing to worry about. We have Bush in there pushing God to speed up the End Days and we have Palin in the starting chute to continue his work. All we have to worry about is: Is Rapture as enjoyable as orgasm?
Thus we will be saved from our debts.
Kai the ForeSeer
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Post by nathanael on Oct 14, 2008 9:25:47 GMT -7
"All we have to worry about is: Is Rapture as enjoyable as orgasm?" I have no clue what this has to do with saving the world economy? On a brighter side, there is lots or euphoria in Europe in the last hours. Euphoria, of course, does not qualify as "rapture." France and Germany seem to be getting the best outcome. America and England have rebounded to much lesser degree, which for me is a sign of underlying economic anemia. Poland is breathing a sigh of relief, but no one is enruptured, either. The z³oty was 2.72 two days ago. After the stock market gains, the z³oty immediately began to recede again, to 2.58, in a matter of hours. This for me is a sign that there are serious problems with the U.S. economic health. The z³oty went up when the world panicked. It was attributable to the thinking that, when the ship is sinking, dollar is better than nothing ... and the world started buying dollars. But when Europe showed her might, the dollars began to be dumped again, for euro. My hope is that the U.S. do everything to save then dollar from sliding further! There are huge opportunities these days on world markets. But we need exceptionally bright people to take advantage, people able to read the signs of the times, for the timing is vital. So far, there is news that it is Japan and China who are scooping the American bargains, following this disaster! Japan, in partricular, has been amazingly quick on the trigger, with Nikkei index raising to a 60-year old record.
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Post by kaima on Oct 14, 2008 13:48:33 GMT -7
"All we have to worry about is: Is Rapture as enjoyable as orgasm?" I have no clue what this has to do with saving the world economy? Rapture in this sense is the Evangelical christian concept of every good Christian being called up to heaven in bodily form, happily floating above and away as the rest of us mere mortals suffer down below. It is cousin to the Jim Jones version of going to heaven after drinking poisoned kool aid (a flavored sugar drink in America, used by a cult nut from America in the Caribbean some years back). This fits well with Palin's chritianity, or very close to it. The tie-in to the economy is that with Rapture saving us, we don't have to bother worrying about paying our debts, Salvation and elevation into heaven will solve all of that! Have faith, Brother! Kai the Believer
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Post by uncltim on Oct 14, 2008 14:11:31 GMT -7
Umm... I got nuthin. Maybe!... nah. Tim
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Post by uncltim on Oct 14, 2008 19:11:09 GMT -7
Debt and servitude are NOT American values.
They are NOT Christian values.
They are NOT secular values.
They ARE corporate values.
Wake the f**k up!
Tim the Mad
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Post by nathanael on Oct 15, 2008 14:13:59 GMT -7
My feeling is that the business world and Wall Street has been caught unprepared to deal with the inmensity of events. This includes Bernanke, Paulson, Harvard University, and all the U.S. think tanks. Even Alaska has began courting the villain Putin's Gazprom. It looks like the U.S. has been caught in a grip of insanity! The way I would approach a massive problem as this is as follows: I would give the states three days to identify all paralyzed institutions, businesses, and home mortgages. Once we have the list, I would wire government loans to these areas of national paralysis, just as one treats cancerous tumors with localized radiation. Under my plan, the Nation's economy would be free and running ... in four days since this is how much time it takes to wire the money from the Treasury directly! I know that courage is required and enormous speed to pull this off. But all the alternatives I hear will certainly be more painful and costly!
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Post by freetobe on Oct 15, 2008 18:04:09 GMT -7
Hey Uncle, how's our Stir the Pot Party campaign doing? Look's like you are fired up! Come on Tim the Mad, we still have a chance to win this.
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Post by uncltim on Oct 15, 2008 20:20:54 GMT -7
FTB It just kills me that you posted that... I had been thinking all day about getting back on the campaign trail!
Tim
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Post by hollister on Oct 15, 2008 20:55:25 GMT -7
I had been thinking all day about getting back on the campaign trail! Tim Any chance you know Joe the Plumber?
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Post by uncltim on Oct 16, 2008 3:34:44 GMT -7
Im not sure. maybe If he turned around an bent over I could recognize him!
I do however know everything a plumber knows.
Tim
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Post by nathanael on Oct 17, 2008 2:40:36 GMT -7
One thing that that stands out this days is the symbiotic relationship between Wall Street and the world markets. I don't know how many of you have been struck by this realization. When Wall Street soared, so did all markets in the world. When Wall Street fell next day, so all the other markets did. Now there are news that , in response to the Wall Street's raising 401 points, the world markets, Asia and Europe, raised an equivalent of 401 points! Doesn't this say something about the leading role of the U.S. economy? Shouldn't the world cooperate more with the United States for that reason? Or, should the world go its own way? And if it does, should not we be worried, if Great Depression II ensues, that the world will attempt to decouple from Wall Street? One wonders what that would mean for the world markets. In the meantime, we should know the following: history is rich in examples of the rich betraying their people. No country has been immune to this disease, not even Poland. Soon the roofs start falling, some wealthy barons and princes will seek allegiances with the devil himself, to save their dough! We should be vigilant in these difficult times to prevent the scores of billionaires we have from quietly taking their money out of the country, for this would only quantify our economic problems! We must compel the rich, Warren Buffetts and Bill Gateses, to engage in emergency job creation for the sake of patriotism!
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Post by nathanael on Oct 17, 2008 3:57:37 GMT -7
A new global economic summit has been proposed by France. A global economic summit is absolutely necessary. U.S. should be proposing this, not Sarcozy or Japan (Japan insists that it be in Tokyo)! Here is my plan: Two issues should take the front seat at such a summit: one world currency and the global sharing of wealth with the less fortunate. Enough of "big CEO's" working for their own enrichment! Enough of stock exchanges doing the same for their wealthy clients! Enough of job base exportation without compensation. Enough of incommensurate salaries in midst of poverty! One single world Economy Nations must be created, just like the United Nations. It must have enough powers to enforce a Charter that is fair to all! It must be honor and ethics oriented, with a moral code that is easily and promptly enforceable! And it must be presided jointly at all times by an economic body consisting equally of rich and poor! If my plan is implemented swiftly, the Capitalism will shed its ruthless, ugly face, and it will attain a face of an angel!
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Post by karl on Oct 17, 2008 6:46:26 GMT -7
A new global economic summit has been proposed by France. A global economic summit is absolutely necessary. U.S. should be proposing this, not Sarcozy or Japan (Japan insists that it be in Tokyo)! Here is my plan: Two issues should take the front seat at such a summit: one world currency and the global sharing of wealth with the less fortunate. Enough of "big CEO's" working for their own enrichment! Enough of stock exchanges doing the same for their wealthy clients! Enough of job base exportation without compensation. Enough of incommensurate salaries in midst of poverty! One single world Economy Nations must be created, just like the United Nations. It must have enough powers to enforce a Charter that is fair to all! It must be honor and ethics oriented, with a moral code that is easily and promptly enforceable! And it must be presided jointly at all times by an economic body consisting equally of rich and poor! If my plan is implemented swiftly, the Capitalism will shed its ruthless, ugly face, and it will attain a face of an angel! Nathanel I realize and understand of your meaning as being of good and just, this for sure For my only reply is of one of concern and a reminder of some thing we wish not to become once more a reality. For some of your proposal is of exact to some thing of so long ago but yet still holds as a foundation for another to rebuild upon. That is the 25 points programme presented by Adolf Hitler of his NSDAP. The following is of insert as illustrative purpose only. mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=140032The following is of the 25 points www.hitler.org/writings/programme/Many would not recognize this, but it strikes into our hearts as of a dagger with certain word groups presented. As fore mentioned, perhaps I am with the wrong book singing in the wrong choral, but I do not think so. For it is within the times of disgruntlement and weakness of heart with our lives, that certain programmes are presented as welcomed, but in reality, will enslave us and make the mockery of our freedom. Perhaps I am wrong, if so, I do most certainly will welcome that proposal. Karl
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