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Post by Jaga on Oct 10, 2008 18:42:54 GMT -7
My husband is afraid that we may grow fashism. Just see the angry mobs at McCain rallies. They are so angry that even McCain need to calm them down. People are angry since they see the loss of their savings. The call for the end of communism (giving money to banks to help them out). Since they cannot blame pres. Bush because it is their guy they blame Congress and... Obama. It is getting intensively rasist. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3174101/Barack-Obama-called-terrorist-at-Republican-rallies-as-US-election-campaign-turns-nasty.htmlBarack Obama called 'terrorist' at Republican rallies as US election campaign turns nasty ++++ Of course not only white mobs are dangerous. African Americans have also their issues. I cannot forget when they call their people on to defend black guys who were punished for beating white guys.... ++++
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Post by Jaga on Oct 10, 2008 18:47:40 GMT -7
Here McCain is even upset that Obama was called a terrorist:
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Post by Jaga on Oct 10, 2008 18:55:20 GMT -7
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Post by Jaga on Oct 10, 2008 20:12:41 GMT -7
Obama is responsible for this economic crisis! This is what the hate from Right wing talk radio, bloggers and FOX News creates www.crooksandliars.com/john-amato/what-hate-right-wing-talk-radio-bloggerJust look at the videotapes of the angry, hateful hordes attending these rallies — screaming that Obama is a socialist; that he’s both a Muslim and a terrorist as proven by his “bloodline” and his name; that his supporters are “commie faggots”; that he’s guilty of treason; underscored by increasing racial invective and even punctuated in one case by a call from an audience member for someone to be killed. These aren’t just isolated individuals; these sentiments are common at these rallies and becoming increasingly virulent and enraged — at the rallies and otherwise:
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Post by Mary on Oct 10, 2008 20:22:01 GMT -7
Just look at the videotapes of the angry, hateful hordes attending these rallies — screaming that Obama is a socialist; that he’s both a Muslim and a terrorist as proven by his “bloodline” and his name; that his supporters are “commie faggots”; that he’s guilty of treason; underscored by increasing racial invective and even punctuated in one case by a call from an audience member for someone to be killed. These aren’t just isolated individuals; these sentiments are common at these rallies and becoming increasingly virulent and enraged — at the rallies and otherwise: Hum......Kind of reminds you of a Sunday morning in the pews at Rev. Jeremiah Wrights church, doesn't it?
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Post by wayneprice on Oct 10, 2008 20:30:02 GMT -7
At the McCain rallies, who gets to shout "Sieg"? Palin or Cindy? All it takes for evil like this to succeed is for good people to do nothing!
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Post by Jaga on Oct 10, 2008 20:51:24 GMT -7
Just look at the videotapes of the angry, hateful hordes attending these rallies — screaming that Obama is a socialist; that he’s both a Muslim and a terrorist as proven by his “bloodline” and his name; that his supporters are “commie faggots”; that he’s guilty of treason; underscored by increasing racial invective and even punctuated in one case by a call from an audience member for someone to be killed. These aren’t just isolated individuals; these sentiments are common at these rallies and becoming increasingly virulent and enraged — at the rallies and otherwise: Hum......Kind of reminds you of a Sunday morning in the pews at Rev. Jeremiah Wrights church, doesn't it? Yes, both are the same. As I wrote before - the angry black mob is the same bad as the angry white mob. Mary, so we agree that all these issues of Obama or Sarah affairs with troopers or with terrorists is a pure nonsense. I wanted to know what do you think about the economical plan of McCain for the future.
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Post by kaima on Oct 10, 2008 20:51:35 GMT -7
Hum......Kind of reminds you of a Sunday morning in the pews at Rev. Jeremiah Wrights church, doesn't it? With this and Ayer's activities when Obama was an 8 year old boy, you are quite stuck in past perceived offenses, no? Do you have any anger over the last 8 years of politics, or does your anger end with the Clintons? Kai PS. Personally, I understand the fellow has contributed a lot to this country in the last 40 years. Certainly I must say I was not the person then that I am today. My biggest mistake was letting them draft me for Vietnam, but then it took me another 15 years to decide that was an unjustified war.
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Post by Mary on Oct 10, 2008 21:13:59 GMT -7
Hum......Kind of reminds you of a Sunday morning in the pews at Rev. Jeremiah Wrights church, doesn't it? With this and Ayer's activities when Obama was an 8 year old boy, you are quite stuck in past perceived offenses, no? Do you have any anger over the last 8 years of politics, or does your anger end with the Clintons? Kai PS. Personally, I understand the fellow has contributed a lot to this country in the last 40 years. Certainly I must say I was not the person then that I am today. My biggest mistake was letting them draft me for Vietnam, but then it took me another 15 years to decide that was an unjustified war. Oh Kai, I'm not an angry person at all. You would love me if you met me. I understand the VietNam thing very well and am sorry you had to serve there. Yes, it was an unjustified war. And I realized it at the time and was against it. HOWEVER...I never was for the way you returning troops were treated. Never would I turn my back on our troops! Thank God you came home. My boyfriend and another good friend did not. I'm sorry you don't understand my sense of humor. You lefties need to lighten up a bit. You and I can be on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but when it all come down, we are of little significance in the outcome.
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Post by kaima on Oct 11, 2008 1:18:41 GMT -7
My biggest mistake was letting them draft me for Vietnam, but then it took me another 15 years to decide that was an unjustified war. Oh Kai, I'm not an angry person at all. You would love me if you met me. I understand the VietNam thing very well and am sorry you had to serve there. Yes, it was an unjustified war. And I realized it at the time and was against it. I'm sorry you don't understand my sense of humor. You lefties need to lighten up a bit. Oh now, I wasn't over there, but was drafted for the war and stood in front of clerks three times when they decided who in line went and who did not. So that is three times I was lucky. You realizing it at the time - you were far ahead of me. I never had anything against those who opposed it, and if anyone had given me a hard time in uniform I would have decked them; that was a decision made in advance, so I wouldn't hesitate. Sense of humor? Yup, I missed it. It is hardest to convey in email and postings. Leftie? You righties need to relax and enjoy being citizens without labeling everything, and labeling wrong. I am far, far to the right of Brother G. W. Bush, that draft dodging coward. If he were not such a coward he might not have gotten us in Iraq and would have kept to the job in Afghanistan where the Taliban were, and where no one before has won a war against those people. We might have if we really had tried. To the right of the neo-con left spending, debt ridden lefties. The true lefties. It is appropriate that the neo-con Republicans adapted red as their color, the color around the world assigned to liberals and lefties. If anything I see myself as a fiscally conservative libertarian: spend no more than you can afford, chose what to spend it on carefully - and the military spending DOES come in for inspection along with everything else - and keep a minimum of government (again, GW Bush preaches small gummn't and builds big gummn't) and regulations, and keep a maximum of personal liberties, with people ranking ahead of corporations. Corporations are nothing but legal persons, whereas people are biological, human persons. No sense of humor? Guess I have had a stuffing full of self righteous religious people stuff their church version of liberty down my country for too long. To them I say keep out of my back 40 and let us live with tolerance for one another. Their true god was proven long ago to be the dollar. Kai
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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2008 5:36:08 GMT -7
Oh Kai, I'm not an angry person at all. You would love me if you met me. I understand the VietNam thing very well and am sorry you had to serve there. Yes, it was an unjustified war. And I realized it at the time and was against it. I'm sorry you don't understand my sense of humor. You lefties need to lighten up a bit. Oh now, I wasn't over there, but was drafted for the war and stood in front of clerks three times when they decided who in line went and who did not. So that is three times I was lucky. You realizing it at the time - you were far ahead of me. I never had anything against those who opposed it, and if anyone had given me a hard time in uniform I would have decked them; that was a decision made in advance, so I wouldn't hesitate. Sense of humor? Yup, I missed it. It is hardest to convey in email and postings. Leftie? You righties need to relax and enjoy being citizens without labeling everything, and labeling wrong. I am far, far to the right of Brother G. W. Bush, that draft dodging coward. If he were not such a coward he might not have gotten us in Iraq and would have kept to the job in Afghanistan where the Taliban were, and where no one before has won a war against those people. We might have if we really had tried. To the right of the neo-con left spending, debt ridden lefties. The true lefties. It is appropriate that the neo-con Republicans adapted red as their color, the color around the world assigned to liberals and lefties. If anything I see myself as a fiscally conservative libertarian: spend no more than you can afford, chose what to spend it on carefully - and the military spending DOES come in for inspection along with everything else - and keep a minimum of government (again, GW Bush preaches small gummn't and builds big gummn't) and regulations, and keep a maximum of personal liberties, with people ranking ahead of corporations. Corporations are nothing but legal persons, whereas people are biological, human persons. No sense of humor? Guess I have had a stuffing full of self righteous religious people stuff their church version of liberty down my country for too long. To them I say keep out of my back 40 and let us live with tolerance for one another. Their true god was proven long ago to be the dollar. Kai Kai, It seems we are more aligned than not! If you look back at my posts you will find I tried to post some facts from Wikipedia which leans neither left or right as far as I can see. I am then attacked with an barrage of ignorant questions and assumptions. I have tried to stay above the crap even to the point of asking we drop it. It gets too distasteful for my easy going style. Yes, It is very easy to miss an attempt at humor, and also easy to misinterpret ones views. Thank you for a thoughtful, intelligent reply. Mary
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Post by kaima on Oct 11, 2008 10:34:57 GMT -7
Mary,
I'll bet you are right and you and I and everyone else will be thankful for me dropping this topic, certainly I have exhausted my ideas on it!
Kai PS But it is a good way to get to know you better.
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Post by freetobe on Oct 11, 2008 16:18:51 GMT -7
Kai, You stay your course. There is no way to have a positive discourse with those of differing opinions on this site. The neo cons are too locked in. For the record, as a former member of the conservative party(years ago during it's formation) I came to understand that the party leaders were NOT conservative and allowed the right wing radicals to control the party. I said bibi, drifted for a while, then joined the Dems to fight the Bush's and thier oil company cronies, the evangelicals who support the GOP and the rest of the lunatic fringe that support them. I truly do not understand how American's fail to see the damage that the past 8 years of Bush's Gop policies have done to our country. Ignorance and bias of Americans today is shocking. When are the American people going to wake up?
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Post by Jaga on Oct 12, 2008 20:12:20 GMT -7
McCain campaign is partly responsible for the anger they create. They try to sell the message that Obama is dangerous, he is not one of us. Therefore ksenophobic and primitive people buy it. such negative propaganda is almost ingrained in GOP program for years. Here is a fragment about what they did to Clinton: KRUGMAN: This is also…this is not just about McCain, what he did. The fact of the matter is, for a long time, we’ve had a substantial fraction of the Republican base that just does not regard the Democrats governing as legitimate. Remember, the Clinton years, craziness, right? That they were murderers, drug smugglers, and the imminent prospect of what looks like a Democratic victory would drive a lot of these people crazy even if Sarah Palin wasn’t saying these inflammatory things. It’s going to be very ugly after the election. from: www.crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/week-krugman-pushes-back-against-falsin this program the journalists admit that although both campaign try to sell their opponent negative image, Republicans are much worse: www.crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/apples-and-bowling-balls-chris-matth
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Post by kaima on Oct 22, 2008 17:15:04 GMT -7
Here is an interesting analysis of part of why Colin Powell endorsed Obama:
Op-Ed Columnist Moved by a Crescent By MAUREEN DOWD
Colin Powell had been bugged by many things in his party’s campaign this fall: the insidious merging of rumors that Barack Obama was Muslim with intimations that he was a terrorist sympathizer; the assertion that Sarah Palin was ready to be president; the uniformed sheriff who introduced Governor Palin by sneering about Barack Hussein Obama; the scorn with which Republicans spit out the words “community organizer”; the Republicans’ argument that using taxes to “spread the wealth” was socialist when the purpose of taxes is to spread the wealth; Palin’s insidious notion that small towns in states that went for W. were “the real America.”
But what sent him over the edge and made him realize he had to speak out was when he opened his New Yorker three weeks ago and saw a picture of a mother pressing her head against the gravestone of her son, a 20-year-old soldier who had been killed in Iraq. On the headstone were engraved his name, Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, his awards — the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star — and a crescent and a star to denote his Islamic faith.
“I stared at it for an hour,” he told me. “Who could debate that this kid lying in Arlington with Christian and Jewish and nondenominational buddies was not a fine American?”
Khan was an all-American kid. A 2005 graduate of Southern Regional High School in Manahawkin, N.J., he loved the Dallas Cowboys and playing video games with his 12-year-old stepsister, Aliya.
His obituary in The Star-Ledger of Newark said that he had sent his family back pictures of himself playing soccer with Iraqi children and hugging a smiling young Iraqi boy.
His father said Kareem had been eager to enlist since he was 14 and was outraged by the 9/11 attacks. “His Muslim faith did not make him not want to go,” Feroze Khan, told The Gannett News Service after his son died. “He looked at it that he’s American and he has a job to do.”
In a gratifying “have you no sense of decency, Sir and Madam?” moment, Colin Powell went on “Meet the Press” on Sunday and talked about Khan, and the unseemly ways John McCain and Palin have been polarizing the country to try to get elected. It was a tonic to hear someone push back so clearly on ugly innuendo.
Even the Obama campaign has shied away from Muslims. The candidate has gone to synagogues but no mosques, and the campaign was embarrassed when it turned out that two young women in headscarves had not been allowed to stand behind Obama during a speech in Detroit because aides did not want them in the TV shot.
The former secretary of state has dealt with prejudice in his life, in and out of the Army, and he is keenly aware of how many millions of Muslims around the world are being offended by the slimy tenor of the race against Obama.
He told Tom Brokaw that he was troubled by what other Republicans, not McCain, had said: “ ‘Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.’ Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim. He’s a Christian. He’s always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer’s no. That’s not America. Is something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?”
Powell got a note from Feroze Khan this week thanking him for telling the world that Muslim-Americans are as good as any others. But he also received more e-mails insisting that Obama is a Muslim and one calling him “unconstitutional and unbiblical” for daring to support a socialist. He got a mass e-mail from a man wanting to spread the word that Obama was reading a book about the end of America written by a fellow Muslim.
“Holy cow!” Powell thought. Upon checking Amazon.com, he saw that it was a reference to Fareed Zakaria, a Muslim who writes a Newsweek column and hosts a CNN foreign affairs show. His latest book is “The Post-American World.”
Powell is dismissive of those, like Rush Limbaugh, who say he made his endorsement based on race. And he’s offended by those who suggest that his appearance Sunday was an expiation for Iraq, speaking up strongly now about what he thinks the world needs because he failed to do so then.
Even though he watched W. in 2000 make the argument that his lack of foreign policy experience would be offset by the fact that he was surrounded by pros — Powell himself was one of the regents brought in to guide the bumptious Texas dauphin — Powell makes that same argument now for Obama.
“Experience is helpful,” he says, “but it is judgment that matters.”
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