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Post by pieter on Nov 30, 2005 18:43:13 GMT -7
I watched a Polish (language) movie of Krzystof Kieslowski, a Dekalog 6 movie "A short film about love", with Grazyna Szapolowska, Oloaf Lubaszenko and Stefania Iwinska. Critics: Beyond Pessimism, Kieslowski makes powerful movies which disturb, wonderful and terrible in the same time." Le Vif / L'Express "The mise-en-scène is sharp as a razorblade, the interpretation excellent..." Le Monde movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/s/short_love.htmlwww.imdb.com/name/nm0001425/ - 46k -
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Post by Jaga on Nov 30, 2005 19:06:31 GMT -7
Pieter,
Dekalog was also considered in the USA as one of the most interesting movies. I think it was "Time" magazine that saw it as the very important series. I am glad you saw it. I think, one about killing is also very good, all of these parts are worth to see
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Post by zooba on Dec 1, 2005 2:32:51 GMT -7
I liked most the first part about a sceptical father, a religious grandma and a son, who went skating on a nearby pond. "A short film about killing" is one of my favourite, although it's hard to watch.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 3, 2005 14:29:18 GMT -7
I liked most the first part about a sceptical father, a religious grandma and a son, who went skating on a nearby pond. I disliked this film the most. It was so cruel... The loss of a child is the greatest tragedy.... I can`t watch films like that. I start seeing things...
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Post by pieter on Dec 4, 2005 17:36:07 GMT -7
Pawian, I understand your point, for some reason (maybe because there is a balance between evil and good, balck and white) many artists, writers and moviemakers were fascinated by the dark side of life and men. Movies are a reflection of the human mind, dreams and so nightmares, the cruel history of mankind, crime and punishment, antithesis, sadism of individuals and groups, it keeps returning as a theme. Both the anonymous big city jungle with the lack of social control creates monsters, as the hidden secretive world of closed religious communities of our rural areas with an over exposure of social control create social drama's, secrets and lies, and dirty evil deeds. In extreem ultra-orthodox Duch Reformed Calvinist bible belt communities in villages in Dutch agricultural area's where television is considered an instrument of the Devil and so forbidden, there is inbreed, suicidal tendensies, murder and secret addictions. The same problems as in the secular, liberal cities, with it's crime, drugs, prostitution, unemployment problem, lonelyness of the many Singles, devorced, and the homeless mentally ill who wander around in the streets. The Netherlands were shocked a regulary the last few years by a serie of Child killings by parents, by neglect, abuse and murder. In lots of these cases relational problems were the cause, and often it was a father who killed his family (wife and children) before he commited suicide. In the ninetees, in my twenties I saw a lot of cruel movies, because I wanted it in that time, "A clockwork Orange", "C'est arrive prez de chez nous", "Salo", "Natural Born Killers", "Henry: Portrait of Serial Killer", and many others because it was a sort of deconstructivist thing to do that. Nearly trying to understand the criminal, the bad guy, the crual bastard, to be able to coap with them in my life. Many of my friends read Maquis de Sade, because they said that was the opposite of the bible and so popular under students, artists, intellectuals and vagabonds. In Black and white it is the grey that is important, in Colorfilms it is the nuance between the colors. You can see that also psychological, that there is no pure evil, but a psychological grey area between good and evil. The loss of a child is terrible, but it is very important to be able to face the fact that it has happened, give it a place in your life as a parent, and then go on with your life, realising that you have given that lost person a place in your life, so that you can let it rest. I have to see the other Dekalog movies, also because I am bussy with the spriritual side of life from a Christian perspective. Reading the bible and philosophy about religion.
Pieter
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Post by gardenmoma on Dec 4, 2005 22:22:20 GMT -7
Pieter, Very interesting and reflective remarks. Thank you for bringing them to our attention. I really have to be in the mood to watch movies that are deep and meaningful. I know the actions in the movie you describe are definitely out there, but I do not think this is a series I will be watching. I'm still having difficulty grappling with what happened between 1939 - 1945 - 1959. I grew up during the era portrayed in Good Night, Good Luck and don't remember many details, but being in a 2nd generation immigrant, working class neighborhood, do remember the underlying current of fear.
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Post by zooba on Dec 5, 2005 4:56:49 GMT -7
Pawian, I agree the film was cruel. When I watched it for the first time I didn't have children and that changes a lot. But I had (and still have) a sceptical father who made fun of me being religious. Now I don't watch any films about sick and dying children, kidnapping, etc. especially American movies based on facts. I've heard motherhood makes a woman fragile for ever for this underlying fear about the children, I didn't think the same is for fathers.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 7, 2005 0:37:22 GMT -7
Pawian, I agree the film was cruel. Now I don't watch any films about sick and dying children, kidnapping, etc. especially American movies based on facts. I've heard motherhood makes a woman fragile for ever for this underlying fear about the children, I didn't think the same is for fathers. it reminds me of my mother who once said that after she had had children, she couldn`t watch war movies or those about death camps. She lived through the war as a small child, she remembered some horrors and later she refused to relive them in films. You mention you didn`t know about fathers. I don`t know either. Maybe I am a peculiar father. I can watch war movies with a lot of fighting and nothing happens to me. Probably because the chance of some war in Poland is so unreal, so to me such a movie seems like a bad fairy tale, unlikely to occur in real life. But when I am to see a movie about an accident or murder of a child, I can`t bear it because my imagination starts working and I see things. And there is no denial that accidents and crimes happen to children in Poland and everywhere.
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Post by Pawian on Dec 7, 2005 0:43:29 GMT -7
Movies are a reflection of the human mind, dreams and so niepeghtmares, the cruel history of mankind, crime and punishment, antithesis, sadism of individuals and groups, it keeps returning as a theme. Yes, I agree. Every artisitic production is the reflection of artist`s mind, his joys, fears, hopes, complexes etc. The same with recipients of art. The kind of art people prefer to relish depends on their emotional needs - some want to feel cruelty or sadism in art, some prefer the funny side of it etc
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