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Post by bescheid on Oct 9, 2006 7:44:18 GMT -7
Charles This was not meant to shock, although as a general race the Russians do not appeal to me (Eric VERY much excluded) based on the colours they showed in WWII against Poland and their lip service to being one of the Big Three Allies - they had their own agenda and only agreed with Roosevelt and Churchill when it suited. But this was not my main point. All this information is about Russia and a Russian journalist - is there not a Russian culture forum to which this would have been more relevant for discussion than a Polish forum? Leslie Leslie My remark to you was a bit of dark humour, sorry. {see I learnt my humour from you.} You have questioned the subject of a Russian incident as being relevant to a Polish forum. As much as I am tempted to give a personal opinion, this would not be fair. It is a question that must be answered by others. What I would though, expand upon this subject with is: By history, circumstance and location. Russia is very relevant to Polish interest, both nationally and upon the individual person. Events that occur in Russia should be observed and studied. For the simple occurrence of an event is not enough. The circumstances leading to that event must and should be studied, for understanding of the initial foundation leading to the creation of the event, from beginning to the ending, and how a resolution of the event was arrived at. This inself gives clues as to the processes at work. Knowledge is not a curse, burden or un-necessary, it is an important accessory to intelligence. Tools useful for understanding that of others. The input from those of Eric and Constantine are vital and important, primarily as they are eye witnesses {so to speak} of events, present and real that is the here and now in Russia. My reply and associated input, is not designed as a defense for Russians, they will defend them selves in their own manner. The above is simply free thought of my personal making for I have no agenda one or the other. For as I have mentioned, it is yours and the folks here, to determine what is suitable for bringing to the floor for discussion, or that which is not revelent to the majority interest. Charles
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Post by pieter on Oct 9, 2006 7:50:48 GMT -7
The Russians protest: A memorial for Novaya gazeta reporter Anna Politkovskaya was combined with a protest against anti-Georgian discrimination on Pushkin Sqaure in downtown Moscow, October 8, 2006. ----------------------- I am with those who have the courage to potest, to think. The question arises who profited from Anna Politkowska's death most? Kommersant: The murder of Novaya gazeta newspaper reporter Anna Politkovskaya may shift the balance of political power in Chechnya. Politkovskaya concentrated on Chechen Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov, whom Politkovskaya thought should be on trial rather than running in elections, and his associates. Now, whether they are implicated in the investigation of her death or not, federal authorities are likely to give their approval for a massive check of the political and law enforcement figures of that republic. One theory has it that that was the motive for her murder. www.kommersant.com/p711307/r_530/Murder_reporter_Politkovskaya/Wojtek, Thanks for the update,and I am glad that you are not restricted to things that happen Poland only, like some members over here prefer. My motivation for participating in this Forum is my interest in Poland, Central- and Eastern Europe. Why? Whel because these countries are Polands neighbours, and what happens in neigbouring countries has always it's effects on Poland. Poland is part of the Geopolitical reality of both Central- and Eastern Europe, and is in fact an important and influential power in that parts of our continent. Pieter
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Post by bescheid on Oct 9, 2006 9:12:18 GMT -7
bujno
Thank you for the additional information of this unfortunate incident. The url you provided was of much interest and gave good details of the situation.
The fire arm mentioned in the shooting was vague, but, this is to be expected in a public publication. There are many variations of Russian IZH of various kalibers. The mention of the serial numbers being filed off means very little. Those are brought up from the deep impressions left in the metal structure at time of number stamping and then read for identification. As an example of vague ness. A IZH can be a variation of a Makorov 9 mm lugar or 9mm Russian short or a modification used by the Special forces branch using a longed barrel for fitment of silencer equipment.
Or, what ever
Charles
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Post by leslie on Oct 9, 2006 9:36:13 GMT -7
Charles Thank you for your comments - this is what a forum is all about (even with you and me on it!!!!! ). But you wouldn't give your personal opinion - why not? I would find this of value (particularly if you agreed with me!!!! ;D). However, whatever it is, I can almost guess - but even I have been known to be wrong. I value all your contributions Leslie
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Post by bescheid on Oct 9, 2006 14:18:43 GMT -7
Leslie
Some of the things I find most enduring about you, Is your strength of will, sense of justice and that of compassion. I am not sure if this is a trait of just your self or that of your people.
How ever, and or, what ever, never to lose it please?
I realize our differences and understand. For you and I are not so different. For we are people only divided by a simple cloud of vapour of thought.
For in the end, for what have we wrought or gained?
For we are still people
Charles
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Post by Jaga on Oct 9, 2006 21:39:17 GMT -7
Here I found interesting article: Anna Politkovskaya was the 13th journalist to be murdered in Russia since Vladimir Putin came to power. No one believes he personally ordered her execution - but there won't be many tears shed inside the Kremlin. The killer was waiting on the ground floor. Anna Politkovskaya, a tall, elegant figure with steel-grey hair and black clothes, descended in the lift to collect the shopping bags she had left in her Lada outside on the street. It was 4.10pm on Saturday. As the doors opened, a young man in a baseball cap stepped forward and fired two shots into her heart. The third hit her shoulder; the fourth her head. But Politkovskaya, 48, was already dead. Her brutal exit from life this weekend had much in common with the 12 other assassinations of journalists that have taken place on the watch of President Vladimir Putin. www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1891506,00.html
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Post by constantine on Oct 10, 2006 3:38:28 GMT -7
++She was annoying person +++
there are many annoying people in the world but majority of them are not killed by organized crime units. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm, I think that it's not quite right quotation of my previous post. I wrote that SHE WAS ANNOYING PERSON NOT ONLY FOR GOVERMENT! As you see this sentence has another semantic character! It's a very sad story but why our government get all kicks? As for me, usually I am tring to understand who would be in profit. Analizing this situation, I can notice that it's not our government.
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