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Post by pieter on Sept 5, 2010 1:20:43 GMT -7
As a teenager & art major at Music & Art high school, NYC. I designed some sculptures in geometric abstract shapes. Carl Carl, Did you enjoyed doing it and did you keep some of your works/pieces? Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on Sept 5, 2010 1:31:35 GMT -7
Pieter I do admire you as an artist, for you have the time for draw out of composition with your painting as your medium. With the photography, it is only one moment of exposure, then that moment is then disappeared for ever. Some years past, I was to attend school of photography in Hamburg for my work. It was immensely gratifying to the senses at that time. What I was to notice, was the subtle differences between the painter as art, and of photography. For each is a different medium, but similar in prospective. That what I found with difficulty, was the capture of expressions of people. It is relatively easy for Illustrative capture of objects as with fashion, for both is simple and mechanical with the use of light and shadow. What I found of great difficulty, is the capture at the exact moment, the flash of expression exhibited by the person at that moment of exeleration... Karl Karl, Painting & drawing on one side and photography and film (movies) on the other side are two things, but they are very connected or linked in the artistic or cultural sense. Some great painters were good photographers too, or some photographers can draw or paint very well. Take for instance, Henri Cartier-Bresson, the french photographer and one of the greatest photographers and artists of the 20th century. He was a very good drawer too. Henri Cartier-Bresson, Marilyn Monroe.Henri Cartier-BressonHenri Cartier-BressonCartier Bresson drawing a selfportrait of himself
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Post by pieter on Sept 5, 2010 2:32:38 GMT -7
Pieter I do admire you as an artist, for you have the time for draw out of composition with your painting as your medium. With the photography, it is only one moment of exposure, then that moment is then disappeared for ever. Some years past, I was to attend school of photography in Hamburg for my work. It was immensely gratifying to the senses at that time. What I was to notice, was the subtle differences between the painter as art, and of photography. For each is a different medium, but similar in prospective. That what I found with difficulty, was the capture of expressions of people. It is relatively easy for Illustrative capture of objects as with fashion, for both is simple and mechanical with the use of light and shadow. What I found of great difficulty, is the capture at the exact moment, the flash of expression exhibited by the person at that moment of exeleration... Karl Karl, Three of my best friends, my closest friends are photographers. One of them from Amsterdam constantly goes to New York to take images of people, his models. Another friend of mine, from Amsterdam to is a commercial photographer. Both of them do weddings and commercial meetings to earn an living. With his commercial work the friend of mine who makes images in New York finances his free, fine art, part of his work. It is very important to him and he lives for his art photography. He gave up all the luxury he was fond of and used too in the past. All his energy, focus, money and dedication is focussed on his free work. And I hope that one day he will be known in Amsterdam (Europe) and New York (America). To be succesful in the harsh and tough New York art world he first has to get an artistic career, exhibitions and fame in Holland. It is impossible to start and get famous in New York. There is to much competition, studio's are to expensive and you have to have an American social and commercial network to succeed. It is very interesting to be with these friends, because all their discussions are about the technical aspects of photography. Camera's, body's, lenzes, seizes, flashtechniques, the technical aspects of photography, how to work with models, the psychological, narrative aspect of photography. Discussions about photo-exhebitions, art photographers, developments, art photography, photojournalism, fashion photography, portraits, cities and subjects. Besides my work as a radio journalist I live in a social environment of photographers, painters and cultural people. That is my background. Due to my job I became a little bit alienated from the art and cultural world, because my work demands of me that I spend a lot of time in the world of local politics, economics, education and the Arnhem city society. From the narrow art and cultural narrative and specialism in the past I developped to be a generalist. Where my life was 100% fine art, culture and photography, today it is maybe 25% or less, because 25 % of my time (week) is politics, 25% is the Arnhem economy and 25% is education, history, the Arnhem society and etc. And the 25% art and culture is not only art itself but also the political, management (Public relations and Communication) part of art (my contacts with Museums, art organisations, Foundations and institutions and etc.) and culture. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pieter on Sept 5, 2010 3:04:11 GMT -7
Pieter I do admire you as an artist, for you have the time for draw out of composition with your painting as your medium. With the photography, it is only one moment of exposure, then that moment is then disappeared for ever. Some years past, I was to attend school of photography in Hamburg for my work. It was immensely gratifying to the senses at that time. What I was to notice, was the subtle differences between the painter as art, and of photography. For each is a different medium, but similar in prospective. That what I found with difficulty, was the capture of expressions of people. It is relatively easy for Illustrative capture of objects as with fashion, for both is simple and mechanical with the use of light and shadow. What I found of great difficulty, is the capture at the exact moment, the flash of expression exhibited by the person at that moment of exeleration... Karl Karl, You said it right, the difficulty of photography, the medium is a combination of factors. Timing is very essential. You must have a feeling for timing in photography if you take images of people, because people move, even if they are standing stil and posing as models. If you wait to long the right expression on their faces and the position of their bodies fades. Next to that you have to choose the right Aperture, Shutter speed, Sharpness, Composition and Light. Light is extremely essential in photography. The right light, beautiful light. Natural light from the sky is better than artificial studio light, because you have to use very advanced light techniques in a studio to get natural light. The best light is in the morning between 7.00 and 9.00 P.M. or 17.00 A.M.. Photography is a skil. You have to be dedicated, focussed (concentrated) and invest time, money ( for new objective lenses) and energy in photography to become good at photography. The main thing is that you have to do it a lot. You simply have to take a lot of images to become good at it. The same thing with painting and drawing, with the production, the years of drawing and painting comes the experiance and quality. Pieter
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Post by karl on Sept 5, 2010 3:11:11 GMT -7
Pieter
Referencing the common nature of art as you have brought forward between the medium of painting/drawing and photography is very good. I think perhaps some confusion arrives when approached with out thinking as a comparison with out the connection between the three.
As a trained artist, this is your field of endeavor and of course upon viewing, you know immediately the commonality of purpose in composition..
What I have found through a stack of mistakes large enough to climb upon with photography, is the importance of light. With this, the mechanical means of photo capture as envisioned by the technician. For the painter, it is the capture of his/her vision as imagined first, then placed into reality on the canvas.
In photography to a greatest extent, is of the common purpose of the painter. But, to only an extent though, for the photographer must first, be a technician with working knowledge of the rules of light, and, working skill level of his instrument of image capture. Now with the digital manner of photo capture, is constant. In past with film, the technician must in addition, have the working skill of the various film mediums and how each react to the various light temperature. For most all colour film is designed for mid day exposure, before and after this time, the photographer must adjust the camera settings for the light temperature for correct f/stops, aperture settings and shutter speed.
With the camera technology of now, digital has fairly much taken over.
Presently, I now have a Canon EOS1 for some time. It is such a blessing over my previous Rolleflex film camera. At the time of purchase for photography school, it was cutting technology. Now, because of the age, batteries are no longer available for it.
With the auto features of the Canon, there is no longer the need for manual adjustment, for the camera has taken care of this chore. The remainder is then up to the operator once the camera computer has been set for what ever purpose is required.
It is then as of the painters eye, composition/back ground in reference to main subject/full frame in image capture and knowledge of the rules of light.
Karl
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Post by karl on Sept 5, 2010 4:08:05 GMT -7
Pieter
It is comical, whilst post return to your previous post, I had in this time, indicated most of that you have written in your currant post, I think though, I will let the post stand to make this chronological.
It is very quite interesting, your work description. As a journalist, you by virtue of your work, be required to wear various hats in your field. With this, I would only suppose, will go the social interchange as commensurate with your work..
Pieter, you are a very important element of society. Society revers the poet and the painter, for it forms the foundation of culture society so much treasures. Other then specific roles of the photographer with his/her work in the field of artistic subject matter. The photographer is considered a technician.
The purpose of my original training in photography, was technical duplication of documents/image record of social and political differences placed into physical action {riots/presentation of programmes with photos for back ground for better understanding of the material of subject}. With this, the camera served as a key of entry into areas of restriction for various reasons. The camera person, for some reason, is assumed to be above suspicion, in most cases..
In this respect, social and business affairs such as fashion shows I was to attend. Most usually to set up at one of several locations in front of the cat walk. This is the area a fashion model will stop for the moment, then resume her/his action for their client. That moment is very vital for effect in her/his body movement with clothing that is being modeled and effects of her expression and hair movement for effect.
The above is fun work. For as on the street level {studio photography is simple mind boring} then is a challenge for composition and image collecting for purpose of illustration. This would entail for later presentation of specific equipment such as industrial manufacturing machines, objects such as watches or what ever.
With illustrative photograph is very useful for numerous industrial needs. With one occasion shortly after graduation out of school of photography. An assignment required to image collect with slide film, a pre-mock up of for use as letter heading. The original was hand engraved on wood. Then in turn, to place the mock up upon a white paper background, and photographing it. This photo then is provided to the printing shop to use as image for acid burning upon the print die. This then was used in a printing press machine. Now of course, this is created by computer with out need for manual draw out.
The other situation that must be thought out in advance, is the use of timed flash in situations requiring an extended area. In this case, it is necessary to place slave pole flash units with micro timed flash delay. In this manner, the multiple flash units will appear as one long flash. If to in this stead to have light sources as constant on, it Will in most cases, ruin the final image collection for reasons of confusing the camera sensors.
The camera computer is set for either flash, or ambient light. OR other wise some what similar to pointing the camera lens into the sun.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Sept 5, 2010 12:27:14 GMT -7
Karl, I have 6 camera's to my possesion. The analogue 1989 Canon Eos 1 single-lens reflex (SLR) camera with motordrive and three Canon EF lenses ( a 85 mm 1,2, a 24 mm 1,4 and a 28 x 105 3,5) which I also use for my digital Canon Eos 5D single-lens reflex Camera. Next to that I have two analogue compact camera's, the Yashica T5 and the Leica C1. And next to that I have the digital Canon Ixus 400 and the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 - Black with a high defenition video function. I am a photography freak, who collects books of photojournalism, art photography, photographers I like, like Annie Leibovizt, Manfred Willman and Henry Cartier Bresson. Next to my camera's I have two tripods and a Flashinstallation. I like to use both digital and analogue photography. I have a Minolta scanner for slides and negatives. I also like to watch slides on an old fashionate slide viewer, next to my Apple laptop I-Photo slide shows and photoshop work. I have one girlfriend who is an artist and who is a serious model for me. We cooperate in a model/photographer cooperation. She has her ideas and wishes and I have my ideas. The merger of our ideas becomes the outcome. A third friend, works with us. He makes his own images next to mine, more snap shot like. And we compare and exchange our images. That's fun! Next to this I like to take images of my family in the Netherlands and South-Africa, my friends and colleages, of my journeys to cities and islands and just landscape and architecture images. I am fond of all of my six camera's I collected since the ninetees, and stil use all of them. Most images I make with my digital camera's, but I like to make slides with the analogue camera's too. I use professional Fuji Provia 100 and 400 slide films and Fuji Velvia slide films (100 and 400 ISO too). Pieter
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Post by karl on Sept 5, 2010 16:02:16 GMT -7
Pieter
Very impressive you camera collection, I must say! It was good of you to share.. A very good thing with several cameras is it is more flexible for need and use.
My self, I have of course the Canon EOS1D SLR 58mm Canon 28-90mm zoom lens with auto focus. It is of 4.48 megapixels with RGB primary colour filter non-removal infront of the CCD sensor.
It is a work horse, but heavy and bulky with the type of powersource batteries.
I was of mind to turn it in for one as you have, the Canon EOS5D. The one you have is much less weight and better battery management system with the plus of 12.8 megapixels CCD.
My other camera, is a Hewlett/Packard photosmart 618 digital. The imaging collection plate is only 2.11, but it is so darn handy and light, I have been reluctant to rid of it. Unlike the SLR, the collection plate is sealed, and in this manner is not subject to lint and dirt entry.
I do envy you for your work and associated social life. It has been some years since camera work in the Illustrative and Fashion industry. It was for a short period of time whilst on a project. Once of project programme conclusion, it then was a reassignment to surveillance and photo gathering of some several crowds associated with civil disobedience we were suffering at that time. Very very boring and absolutely mindless work.
Now, I use the Canon at leisure, I like it even though of the bulk and weight, it just works so well in most any situation. The most important though for my self, it is very useful as an addition for presentations. Once the chip is down loaded onto a computer, the images are easily controlled upon a large wall mounted digital screen.
If the subject project is of a particular construction module of concern. The photo images used will show in detail the equipment number, type used, construction or demolition details as the case would be. Then it is fairly straightforward to even indicate the tyre size and manufacturers name.
With image control switch, each image is brought out to correspond with voice presentation. I attempted some time past to use a motion camera for this use, but it become overly complicated and inconvenient to the viewers. This was abandoned for return to still images, these are readily controlled to the viewers speed of study.
A point though of concern, especially in some of the out lay areas out side of the city. Carrying such camera equipment, may become hazardous to the health. It is just the use of good sense.
Karl
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Post by pieter on Sept 6, 2010 4:08:30 GMT -7
Pieter Very impressive you camera collection, I must say! It was good of you to share.. A very good thing with several cameras is it is more flexible for need and use. My self, I have of course the Canon EOS1D SLR 58mm Canon 28-90mm zoom lens with auto focus. It is of 4.48 megapixels with RGB primary colour filter non-removal infront of the CCD sensor. It is a work horse, but heavy and bulky with the type of powersource batteries. I was of mind to turn it in for one as you have, the Canon EOS5D. The one you have is much less weight and better battery management system with the plus of 12.8 megapixels CCD. My other camera, is a Hewlett/Packard photosmart 618 digital. The imaging collection plate is only 2.11, but it is so darn handy and light, I have been reluctant to rid of it. Unlike the SLR, the collection plate is sealed, and in this manner is not subject to lint and dirt entry. I do envy you for your work and associated social life. It has been some years since camera work in the Illustrative and Fashion industry. It was for a short period of time whilst on a project. Once of project programme conclusion, it then was a reassignment to surveillance and photo gathering of some several crowds associated with civil disobedience we were suffering at that time. Very very boring and absolutely mindless work. Now, I use the Canon at leisure, I like it even though of the bulk and weight, it just works so well in most any situation. The most important though for my self, it is very useful as an addition for presentations. Once the chip is down loaded onto a computer, the images are easily controlled upon a large wall mounted digital screen. If the subject project is of a particular construction module of concern. The photo images used will show in detail the equipment number, type used, construction or demolition details as the case would be. Then it is fairly straightforward to even indicate the tyre size and manufacturers name. With image control switch, each image is brought out to correspond with voice presentation. I attempted some time past to use a motion camera for this use, but it become overly complicated and inconvenient to the viewers. This was abandoned for return to still images, these are readily controlled to the viewers speed of study. A point though of concern, especially in some of the out lay areas out side of the city. Carrying such camera equipment, may become hazardous to the health. It is just the use of good sense. Karl Karl, I like your story, because I recognise a lot in your story, because as you know I know a lot of photographers, saw a lot of photographic work in museums and galleries, magazines and newspapers (I sometimes am able to buy just a foreign or Dutch newspaper, because I like one or more photographs in it. I also cut out photo's from these media, to keep them in files or boxes, to watch them later on. I have 32 files with all sorts of subjects, photographs, articles and essays). And books, photobooks are an ediction to me. I like the heavy camera's, my analogue Canon Eos 1 with motordrive, like you see in the first image. I like the fact that you did fashion photography, because I attended a lot of Fashion shows in Arnhem, because Arnhem is a fashion town, with a very important fashion department at our Art academy. The situation you describe here I was in on several occasions on an Arnhem Final exams fashion show, which was adressed by an international audience and Fashion press, I stood there with my analogue Canon Eos 1 while Fashion photogrpahers with large Canon Eos1 Mark II camera's with huge tele (zoom) lenzes were standing behind and next to me. The guys looked with a melancholic look and respect at my old 1989 analogue Canon, and one of the guys said, ah, yes, the good old stuf from the good old days. That is a very good camera. I was glad that professional Fashion photographers told me that my heavy camera with motordrive was/is a good camera. My other favorite old Camera's are the analogue Yashica T5, because the exellent Carl Zeiss lens, the Leica C1, because of it's zoomlens, and the Canon 5D due to it's fastness,and the the plus of 12.8 megapixels CCD you mentioned. Karl, Do you know the very German photographer, Helmut Newton, all the photographers I know (friends and others) like his work which is very Teutonic, strong and sensual. Newton is the right combination of a Fashion photographer and an artist. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Newton (English) de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Newton (German)
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Post by karl on Sept 6, 2010 10:31:45 GMT -7
Pieter I must say, I am very envious of you for your freedom, of this I must say! You have ask of: Helmut Newton I 1st was aware of this man whilst attending a photo exhibition in Hamburg. I was stunned at his photos, to say the least. The man was an absolute genius with his imagination made into reality. To say of least, he was very remarkable in his accomplishments.. At this time, my first camera was a Yashica 35MM Range Finder Electro 35. It is comical now at present, but at that time, it was very advanced in technology, and it cost me my shirt and shoes for it....It was the go or no go light system. For as I was not with a light meter, I would ask my friend to check with his light meter against a set DIN adjustment, then reset my DIN to correspond to the correct aperture setting for a correct film speed/aperture setting for the exposure. It was simply crazy... www.yashica-guy.com/document/chrono.htmlAt that time, equipment as lens filters were very expensive, to compensate for this, we used a one side of our sunglasses and placed this infront of the camera lens, it worked surprisingly well. Whilst in learning, another trick that worked, was the problem of some ladies facial skin, would show as overly hard. To compensate, I used a piece of bug screen placed over the camera lens. Very surprisingly, the resulting effect, eliminated the harshness of the ladies features to a soft effect with out the lines that would be expected from the screen material.. Now of course, there is no need for such silliness, the equipment available on the market is such variety as to be confusing.. With the available high quality lenses on the market, my choice if possible, is as of yours, {Carl Zeiss}. I have never suffered any problem with this lens system. For no matter the 35MM exposure to be blown up into what ever enlargement, very very seldom was to find the edges blurred or shadowed. It was always clear from center to far edge. Karl
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Post by milonlouei on Oct 29, 2010 21:42:26 GMT -7
This is so nice and different from others. It is having mixture of colours and fading of colours can also be seen. I liked this.
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Post by pieter on Oct 30, 2010 4:48:37 GMT -7
Welcome Milon,
Did you just liked this image or painting or geometric abstract art or fine art/contemporary art in general? Yes, the painting is fine and it must have been a gifted painter, because the fading and letting one layer to go over in another layer smoothly is complicated. I know that by experiance from oil paint and acrylic paint on canvas.
Pieter
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Post by pieter on Feb 11, 2012 13:52:39 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Feb 13, 2012 9:34:53 GMT -7
Ernst Mether-Borgström” Constructivist art is based on colours and forms. It is pointless trying to seek natural motifs in Futura. I’ve tried to create the type of environment that best suits the modern world. It’s in tune with the times.” Best known as a painter and graphic artist, Ernst Mether-Borgström began producing abstract sculptures in the 1960s. One of his metal works, the almost nine-metre high Futura, stands in the courtyard of Espoo City Hall. It originally had a double name, Futura/ Cambodia, that dates from 1971 when the artist made a small model Futura and an over two-metre metal structure Futura/ Cambodia in protest against US policy in Vietnam. When the time came to erect the sculpture in Espoo Centre in 1985, it was just called Futura as the Vietnam War was already history.
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Post by pieter on Feb 13, 2012 9:39:36 GMT -7
Constructivist, geometrical abstract art in Posters, with typographic and graphic elements
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