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Post by hollister on Oct 23, 2006 7:47:57 GMT -7
Mr H and I saw this movie on Saturday.
Gut wrenching but a good movie - It is about battle for Iwo Jima and the famous picture of the flag raising. The movie explores what it means to be a hero and how the "heroes" view themselves and how other people view them. It also explores how we as a society use our heroes.
I have a question how many of you know that there was actually two flags raised over Iwo Jima? Why two flags?
I knew before the movie - and I know this group is a pretty special/select group of people but I would like to hear what you think.
I think it IS pretty widely known that there were actually two flag raisings - Wayne doesn't think so.
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Post by leslie on Oct 23, 2006 8:31:05 GMT -7
Google references show that two flags of the US were raised over Iwo Jima;
The first flag, measuring 54x28 inches, was obtained from attack transport USS Missoula (APA-211), and raised on a 20-foot section of pipe at 10:20 a.m. Several hours later, an 8-foot-long battle ensign, obtained from tank landing ship LST-779, was raised, resulting in Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal's famous photograph of the flag raising.
There are several accounts of this scattered over a variety of sites.
Leslie
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Post by jimpres on Oct 23, 2006 10:04:55 GMT -7
Chris,
I can't wait to see the movie. Had an uncle in that theater. Lots of mouments of the flag raising in the US. Marines are very proud of those folks.
Jim
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Post by piwo on Oct 23, 2006 11:47:41 GMT -7
I too look forward to seeing this movie, and I will try to find it at one of the "MEGA-screeens", for some things should be larger then life. Interesting though, the movie reviews are tepid at best. I hope it is not poorly done, for the personal stories of the men in that picture were at times fascinating and tragic. If one accepts the long held military axiom that it takes a 10 -1 manpower advantage to attack troops that are entrenched in naturally defensive terrain, the allies were only about 120,000 - 130,000 men light for the attack. We had 4.6 - 1 ratio.
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Post by kaima on Oct 23, 2006 12:29:37 GMT -7
Mr H and I saw this movie on Saturday. Gut wrenching but a good movie - It is about battle for Iwo Jima and the famous picture of the flag raising. The movie explores what it means to be a hero and how the "heroes" view themselves and how other people view them. It also explores how we as a society use our heroes. I have a question how many of you know that there was actually two flags raised over Iwo Jima? Why two flags? I knew before the movie - and I know this group is a pretty special/select group of people but I would like to hear what you think. I think it IS pretty widely known that there were actually two flag raisings - Wayne doesn't think so. Holly, Sadly I can only say it WAS widely known that there were two flag raisings. That fact is/was often included in any of the histories that exceeded a few paragraphs. How widely know it is today I don't dare to guess. That was over 60 years ago. I remember as a kid thinking that any history over 20 years old was ancient! Kai
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Post by rdywenur on Oct 23, 2006 16:56:25 GMT -7
Is this the one that Clint Eastwood made. I heard that it didn't have a good viewing. Most people were saying they already saw enogh war movies and did not opt to go see this one. Didn't say it was good or bad just not a good show up of movie goers.
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Post by gardenmoma on Oct 24, 2006 9:21:10 GMT -7
10/24 Yes...This is one that Clint Eastwood directed; Steven Spielberg as the producer. The movie rated a 7.4 out of ten (1,397 votes) at the Internet Movie Data Base (IMDB) www.imdb.com/. Apparently it is one of top movies at the boxoffice this week. Don't know if this is one husband and I will go to the cinema to watch or wait for it to come out on DVD...that way if it is "too much for me" I can leave the room and do something else. You can also access a few trailers here www.imdb.com/title/tt0418689/Does anyone remember another movie about this topic being made (possibly with John Wayne) back in the 1950's? Husband says no; but something is ringing a bell with me. GM
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Post by hollister on Oct 24, 2006 9:53:31 GMT -7
GM - I think you are thinking of "Sands of Iwo Jima" that did star John Wayne came out in the late 40's I believe.
from what I have been able to see - the film has received largely favorable reviews - EXCEPT from the more - how do I say this without ruffling feathers - the more conservative media outlets (yes - I am looking at you FAUX News).
The whole point of the movie is how we - the public use/abuse our heroes and how the people who are put into the hero role are affected by their "sudden celebrity." - A modern example would be what happened to Jessica Lynch.
The battle scenes are graphic - VERY graphic and very tense (I had to close my eyes several times).
The portrayal of Ira Hayes is unflinching - his good points and human foibles are there for all to see. It also shows the constant racism of that time.
The theater was most filled and as it was early on a Sat morning I was surprised - even more surprising was that the majority of the folks watching were older (as in old enough to have been there). After the movie was over most sat quietly watching the credits - with periods of brief applause (if you see the movie I think you will see why).
Most of the Marines I have talked to about the film have given the film a thumbs up rating.
I read that Eastwood is in the process of producing a movie about Iwo Jima from the Japanese perspective - now that could be interesting.
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Post by gardenmoma on Oct 25, 2006 21:13:42 GMT -7
RDY,
Thanks for the info...I wanted to say 1940s for the movie, because I did go to the movies at that time period, but couldn't figure out how - at such a tender young age - I would be watching "war" movies. But, if it made that much of an impression on me...I must have. No, it wasn't TV...hate watching old movies on TV. Thanks, also for the more complete opinion about the movie...
GM
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Post by kaima on Oct 25, 2006 23:45:15 GMT -7
Oh, just an extra note if you do read or see the movie. Mike Strank was son of Rusyn immigrants from just 7 km (4 miles) south of the Polish border in the village of Jarabina. If the Spis still belonged to Poland then he would be known as Lemko and not Rusyn.
Kai
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Post by rdywenur on Oct 26, 2006 3:02:18 GMT -7
GM....I believe the credit of review goes to Holly (the other Chris) I did not see the movie.
Chris (aka RDY) "!"!"!"!"
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Post by gardenmoma on Oct 28, 2006 10:07:42 GMT -7
RDY,
Yep...did it again...
And I can't even use the excuse that you both come from upstate NY!
Sorry about this Hollister (Chris) - hopefully I will do better next time I run into both of you in the same topic!
GM
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