george
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Borat
Jan 14, 2007 10:44:50 GMT -7
Post by george on Jan 14, 2007 10:44:50 GMT -7
Not sure if this question was ever asked or not. Has anyone seen the movie Borat? I have and thought it was hilarious. Anybody else see it and if you did, what did you think of it?
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Pawian
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Borat
Feb 11, 2007 7:47:44 GMT -7
Post by Pawian on Feb 11, 2007 7:47:44 GMT -7
Not sure if this question was ever asked or not. Has anyone seen the movie Borat? I have and thought it was hilarious. Anybody else see it and if you did, what did you think of it? Not yet but going to see it soon. I read Borat uses Polish from time to time.
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scatts
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Borat
Feb 24, 2007 3:07:25 GMT -7
Post by scatts on Feb 24, 2007 3:07:25 GMT -7
Have not seen it, George. I'll wait for the DVD release now. Looks funny from what I've seen.
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Borat
Mar 10, 2007 21:41:59 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Mar 10, 2007 21:41:59 GMT -7
I saw Borat tonight. It was hilarious. I recommend everybody to see it. There is some truth behind all the commedy.
I noticed that Borat is using Polish words sometimes. This was quite surprising for me. There were three phrases: Dzien dobry Jak sie masz dziekuje
I checked the Wikipedia and this is actually what I was suspecting: Although the character Borat is Kazakh, he frequently begins segments with Polish expressions "Jak siê masz?" (How are you?), "Dzieñ dobry" (Good day) and "Dziekujê" (Thank you), quite popular in Kazakhstan because of noticeable Polonia living there due to deportations during WWII.
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Borat
Mar 10, 2007 21:44:39 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Mar 10, 2007 21:44:39 GMT -7
There is more about it. It seems that Polish "Jak sie masz" (how are you) somehow migrated to other languages:
Greetings Dzienkuje (sounds like "jen-koo-eeh") - "thank you" (from the Polish "Dziêkujê"). Sometimes used as a greeting in the opening of the Borat segments of Da Ali G Show . Also spelled as "Chenquieh" when written by Borat, e.g., his speech on the Kazakhstan embassy. Jagshemash - "how are you?" (from the Polish "Jak siê masz?", the Czech "Jak se máš?"). Returning to Central Asia, the Uyghur greeting "yahºimusiz" means "are you well?", and in Uzbek it's "yaxshimisiz". Perhaps ironically, especially in light of Borat's views on Uzbeks, "yaxshi emas" means "not good/well" in Uzbek. Also a common term of greeting in several slavic languages. Dzien Dobre! (sounds like "jen-doh-breh") - "Good Day!" (from the Polish "Dzieñ dobry!"). Sometimes used by Borat in place of "Dzienkuje". It is also the greeting of Baron Cohen's Borat prototype character Kristo, as well as the greeting used by Borat as he opens the segment in his movie where he is about to meet Pamela.
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Borat
Mar 10, 2007 22:08:11 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Mar 10, 2007 22:08:11 GMT -7
I found another quite critical comment about Borat since the movie was done really not in Kazakhstan but in Romania. Borat speaks Polish. Only speakers of Polish will get that. He says "Dzien Dobry," "jak sie masz," "dziekuje" and other Polish phrases. The film's opening and closing scenes were shot in a real Eastern European village. Real Eastern European folk music is played on the soundtrack. With "Ali G," Baron Cohen exploited vicious stereotypes of Blacks. With "Borat" Baron Cohen is not targeting Kazaks. He's exploiting a centuries-old, contemptuous and hateful stereotype of Eastern European peasants that can be found in various Western cultures - witness the American "Polak joke" - - and is common in one thread of Jewish culture. In this stereotype, Poles, and, by extension, Eastern European Christian peasants, are, like Borat, ignorant, bestial, and disgusting. A good précis of the stereotype can be found in a famous passage in Isaac Bashevis Singer's "The Slave." It can be found in the "Golem" article on my website. In fact, "Borat" has a lot in common with Marian Marzynski's controversial film "Shtetl." In both, cameras invade an impoverished Eastern European peasant village. Villagers who are not sophisticated or worldly are conned into appearing on camera to perform for us as if they were trained monkeys. We laugh at them, or feel disgust at them, because they are dirty, because they are poor, and because they keep pigs. In any case, gazing at these lesser peasants, we know that we are superior. Perhaps Baron Cohen will try this technique next in a Darfur refugee camp or a homeless shelter. Poor, unsophisticated people can be so amusing. 64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:9v8mK9KOnYgJ:www.imdb.com/title/tt0443453/usercomments%3Fstart%3D10+Borat+polish+words&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us
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Borat
Mar 10, 2007 23:03:31 GMT -7
Post by joanzaniskey on Mar 10, 2007 23:03:31 GMT -7
Jaga, My parents were eastern European peasants, hardly impoverished because they found enough to pay for a steerage ticket on a ship to America. Is this film possibly a comment on today's eastern European peasants? I hope not. I believe that it is a totally crass attempt to appeal to the insensitive of the world by ridiculing others and therefore make lots of money. Some say the film is hilarious, I think it has a moment or two, but is generally offensive to the world. Has it occurred to you that possibly the film makers were only using the Polish language because it was more familiar sounding than the Kazaath . For most less educated Americans, the Polish phrases used in the film are typical of the main characters origins. The US and other countries have as many ignorant types as depicted in the film. Try "Animal House" for example. Peace, Joan
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 3:25:20 GMT -7
Post by rdywenur on Mar 11, 2007 3:25:20 GMT -7
No and don't plan on it. I find this type of comedy very unfunny. When I was in Florida in October it was overkill on tv talking about this film and that is the only reason I knew about the film. (but then I found the tv stations very boring down there compared to what I have up here)
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 8:17:02 GMT -7
Post by Jaga on Mar 11, 2007 8:17:02 GMT -7
Ladies,
I am not sure what to say. The movie is hilarious really although I did not like all scenes. The fight betweeen two naked men was disgusting. I do not see this movie only as a joke about Kazakhstan/Eastern Europe. It is also a critique towards American culture, American values, war in Iraq etc. Still, I think it is worth to see
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 8:41:54 GMT -7
Post by pieter on Mar 11, 2007 8:41:54 GMT -7
Borat - Training dog to kill jews
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 9:25:12 GMT -7
Post by jimpres on Mar 11, 2007 9:25:12 GMT -7
Pieter,
The Americans had dogs trained to kill the Japanese in WWII. My uncle was one such soldier who had a dog like this. German shepard.
Jim
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 9:51:49 GMT -7
Post by hollister on Mar 11, 2007 9:51:49 GMT -7
Jaga, Did you read the following review? Borat and Kazakhs jagahost.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=books&action=display&thread=1163395892The man (Sacha Baron Cohen), who portray Borat is Jewish. According to a US State Department report on human rights violoations around the world - Borat is suffering "human rights violoations" at the hands of the Kazakh government! Can life get any more absurd?
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 10:30:01 GMT -7
Post by pieter on Mar 11, 2007 10:30:01 GMT -7
Jim, Interesting, I have had several experiances in Holland and Belgium that I had to run for my life, being chased by killer dogs. In the Belgian Arden mountains I was once chased by a Dobberman Pincher, walking in an agricultural area. I did not know that I could run that fast, jumping over several iron wired fences, for many fields, to save my own life. Being scared gives you wings in such occasions. And on the Dutch country, I was chased by two large Bouvier dogs when I cycled from one town to another, the bit me in my feet and legs, and I managed to kick them off me an cycle my lungs out to get rid of them. I was an early teenager back then, about 11 years old. Later I saw criminal dogs (Pit Bulls) being trained by criminals in a park in Amsterdam, and watched dogfights in my neigbourhood when it was stil a red light district. (Since last year prostitution was prohibited in my area, so they are gone) Pieter Links: dogbiz.com/dogs-grp3/doberman/dobe.htmwww.bouvierpagina.com/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull / P.S.- I just hate dogs like Pit Bulls, Doberman Pinchers and Rotweilers, and the people who keep them. They are often agressive people, or want power via their dogs. Pathetic.
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 11:15:53 GMT -7
Post by jimpres on Mar 11, 2007 11:15:53 GMT -7
Pieter,
I would agree that Pit Bulls are predisposed to be agressive. And most dogs can be trained to be agressive. I would not own a Pit Bull or any dog whose linage has been agressive through the years. You were quite lucky in your escape from a Dobberman. Dogs are much faster then two legged humans.
Jim
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Borat
Mar 11, 2007 11:20:27 GMT -7
Post by jimpres on Mar 11, 2007 11:20:27 GMT -7
Pieter,
On another note. I was walking my two labradors in San Diego and a woman with a pit bull on a lease was coming toward me. I put both of my dogs on a lease and proceeded to walk toward her. The pit bull ran toward us and she could not hold him. He jumped on the back of my black lab and started to chew on his neck. I grabed in by the nape of the collar and threw him to the ground and put my knee on his neck pinning him to the ground. I told the woman if she could not handle him I would put an end to him. She grabbed the leash and went back the way she came. I said I would not be so kind next time. Never saw her again.
Jim
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