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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2012 0:46:24 GMT -7
Krakow, my home town: old and new photos in the same location. This is Karmelicka street. I am very familiar with this street since it has a main tram line leading to the center from our house. www.dawnotemuwkrakowie.pl/miniatury/6-ul-karmelicka/if you move the mouse inside the frame the old or new photo would unfold more. click "nastepne zdjecie" to see more
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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 19, 2012 2:41:10 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Nov 19, 2012 6:47:44 GMT -7
Jaga,
Interesting to see the street in 1939 and in 2012. It is wonderful that that old street stayed the same. If you look at the street sign where the worker is digging in the ground on the 1939 photo, it seems a Yiddish or Hebrew sign to me.
I love Krakow, and in my mothers opinion (she lived in Warsaw and Poznan) Krakow is the most beautiful city of Poland. It is the old Capital and probably stil the Polish centre of culture and science today.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Eric on Nov 19, 2012 8:56:34 GMT -7
If you look at the street sign where the worker is digging in the ground on the 1939 photo, it seems a Yiddish or Hebrew sign to me. It's a little blurry, but it looks like Polish to me.
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Post by pieter on Nov 19, 2012 10:25:22 GMT -7
If you look at the street sign where the worker is digging in the ground on the 1939 photo, it seems a Yiddish or Hebrew sign to me. It's a little blurry, but it looks like Polish to me. You are probably right. It is not clear what the words the sign has. I looked at Google maps where the street is located and I see that it is very near Krakow's central Grand Square, Rynek Główny, in the North-West of the old city centre, and thus not near the old jewish Kazimierz district, which is located in the South to South-East of the city centre. It doesn't matter, the street is a wonderful example of Polish Classicist architecture I think. I also like the Green Park like ring around the old city centre, Planty. Planty is one of the largest city parks in Kraków, Poland. It encircles the Stare Miasto (Old Town), where the Medieval city walls used to stand until the early 19th century. The historic Old Town is not to be confused with the Administrative District No. 1 Stare Miasto extending further east. The street is very near the park, and I liked both the park and the streets, boulevards around it. And ofcourse Wawel castle and the path along the Wisla river. (a sort of dike).
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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2012 11:20:01 GMT -7
Glad that you guys looked. The first word is "przystanek" which means "stop" in Polish. I could not figure out the other words but probably they had the tram numbers and the name of the stop.
Probably Jewish signs could be found in Kazimierz, that was a Jewish district, but not at the bus stops, since the official language was Polish. Hebrew signs could be used, but Jidish was probably the main language used in Jewish community.
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Post by Nictoshek on Nov 19, 2012 13:18:57 GMT -7
Well those Jewish signs certainly didn't exist....after THIS:
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Post by karl on Nov 19, 2012 14:50:28 GMT -7
Jaga
Thank you for sharing of your old home area, it is very kind of you.. I would imagine the memories that flood back upon viewing the street and the house you and your family once lived in.
It is interesting of the difference the years will make in as of the clever manner of the photos to superimpose one upon the other for visual reference..
Is your home still in your family, or perhaps has since been sold?
Thank you once again for sharing..
Karl
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Post by pieter on Nov 19, 2012 15:53:42 GMT -7
Glad that you guys looked. The first word is "przystanek" which means "stop" in Polish. I could not figure out the other words but probably they had the tram numbers and the name of the stop. Probably Jewish signs could be found in Kazimierz, that was a Jewish district, but not at the bus stops, since the official language was Polish. Hebrew signs could be used, but Jidish was probably the main language used in Jewish community. Jaga, Good and nice that you found out the word. Interesting from historical perspective. I am always interested in details in historical black and white photo's next to the whole image, because details often show marks of history. Names, data, events or sings like this. The image shows that Poland was a modern European country before the war, because next to the Modern electric tram (for that time), you see a fency car and in the distance, behind the worker and the man standing on the street you see well dressed ladies on both sides of the street. The street looks good, accept the excrement of horses, well kept and good tram tracks, and the buildings looked well looked after, the same like in the modern image. These old images of European cities show another time and reality. Less populated, less traffic (cars, busses, cabs, trucks), less sings, less advertisement and more pedestrians. Her some other prewar images of Krakow:Demonstration of Obóz Zjednoczenia Narodowego (Camp of National Unity; abbreviated " OZN"; and often called "Ozon," Polish for "ozone") in Krakow in 1939. OZN was a Polish political party founded in 1937 by leaders in the Sanation movement. A year after the 1935 death of Poland's Chief of State Marshal Józef Piłsudski, in mid-1936, one of his followers, Marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły, attempted to unite the various Sanation factions under his leadership. He failed in this, since another Sanation politician, President Ignacy Mościcki, likewise had a large following; nevertheless, substantial numbers did throw their lot in with Rydz-Śmigły. On February 21, 1937, diplomat and Colonel Adam Koc formally announced the formation of OZN. Its stated aims were to improve Poland's national defense and to safeguard the April 1935 Constitution. OZN was strongly pro-military, and its politicians sought to portray Marshal Rydz-Śmigły as Marshal Józef Piłsudski's heir, describing Rydz-Śmigły as the " second person in the country" after President Mościcki—a claim that had no foundation in the Polish Constitution. OZN's first official leader was Adam Koc, and its second was General Stanisław Skwarczyński. After the 1939 German invasion of Poland and the start of World War II, OZN leadership passed to Colonel Zygmunt Wenda. In 1937, OZN had some 40,000–50,000 members; in 1938, some 100,000. During World War II, OZN's military arm, created in 1942, was known as Obóz Polski Walczącej (the Camp of Fighting Poland). Krakowians walking on a street 1939Krakow, Poland, 1938, Mina Perlberger with her family.Polish couple in the Krakow of 1937(This photograph was taken by the father of the guy who put this image on the internet, using the timer on his Leica. The woman's name is " Dorka" and he wrote her name on the back. Photography was his hobby since he was 9 years old. He printed "Krakow 1937" in block lettering on the front at the time he made the print. This is a original Black & White photograph with a glossy finish. ) Entrance of the old Krakow Ghetto in 1937Stanisław Szukalski (1893–1987) in Kraków 1936 in front of his Monument of SzukalskiAnimal Welfare Association of Krakow – a propaganda parade. The girls in the parade. Visible banners saying: “Let us love animals”. Kraków 1936.The procession of school children to celebrate the Spring Festival, organized by the Folk School Society in Krakow.The procession of school children to celebrate the Spring Festival, organized by the Folk School Society in Krakow. Children dressed as dwarfs during the parade. 1934-05-03, Kraków.
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Post by pieter on Nov 19, 2012 16:02:28 GMT -7
Founders of tradition: The Malik familyThe Malik family in 1935 (Krakow)The Malik family is one of the most famous to have come out of Krakow’s Zwierzyniecka district. They are best known for their role in bringing the annual Christmas cribs competition in the city to prominence. Their contribution to this Krakow tradition was begun by Walenty Malik, and carried on by his son Wlodzimierz. The exhibition at the Malik family home, a branch of Krakow’s City Historical Museum, gives a unique insight into their lives, and, running through the holiday period, is a perfectly timed opportunity to learn about the Szopki cribs tradition in Krakow.
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Post by karl on Nov 19, 2012 18:06:49 GMT -7
Jaga and Pieter
Thank you both for presenting such wonderful photos of Krakow. Also do I enjoy historic black and white photos, and as Pieter has noticed as also my self, the well dressed people and some very fine autos that appear to be rather expensive.
Karl
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Post by karl on Nov 19, 2012 18:16:25 GMT -7
Nictoe
Please be not upset for my very short reply of notice. Also have I to see the cinema of Schindler's list in Hamburg. It was appalling of extreme abuse to Jewisch people, many of us were very saddened by these events as depicted.
I felt an expected reply would be in order, it is just not in my heart to expound further of these events at this time.
Karl
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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2012 22:22:27 GMT -7
Karl, my family lived in an apartment with 2 rooms on the first floor of 9 floor building. The location is pretty good, although it is not the city center, but it was very crowded. This apartment is now rented to students. I barely could live there for a week with Ela (in one room) in summer. But I found a picture which shows the buidling where my mother used to work. If you look at the building behind "kino Wanda" - this was a seat of PIW - Krakow's office of big book company. I had a tear in my eye when I saw it: www.dawnotemuwkrakowie.pl/miniatury/7-ul-sw-gertrudy-widoczne-kino-wanda/
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Post by kaima on Nov 19, 2012 22:23:35 GMT -7
I enjoyed the combination of the modern and the old in one photo. It is sad to see the photos of the people going about their normal lives and hoping for a bright future, given our hindsight of the challenges and horror they faced.
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Post by Jaga on Nov 19, 2012 22:51:52 GMT -7
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