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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jun 10, 2013 4:13:07 GMT -7
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Post by Eric on Jun 10, 2013 8:54:31 GMT -7
It's one of many problems that the world chooses to ignore. It started as an internal Soviet civil war, which the West triumphed as a failure of the USSR. But when the USSR ended, very few people seemed to care. Even today, no one in the West seems to care about Armenia, and Azerbaijan is important just for its oil. Since Nagorno-Karabakh isn't part of the oil producing region... no one cares.
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Post by Jaga on Jun 10, 2013 15:17:48 GMT -7
Eric, maybe it is better not to be cared about since the oil wars destroy the regions really badly. It's one of many problems that the world chooses to ignore. It started as an internal Soviet civil war, which the West triumphed as a failure of the USSR. But when the USSR ended, very few people seemed to care. Even today, no one in the West seems to care about Armenia, and Azerbaijan is important just for its oil. Since Nagorno-Karabakh isn't part of the oil producing region... no one cares.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Jun 15, 2013 7:54:52 GMT -7
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Sept 28, 2020 7:28:24 GMT -7
Published June 13, 2013 Almost two decades ago, the big guns fell silent in the war between Armenians and Azeris over a mountainous corner of Azerbaijan called Nagorno-Karabakh. www.voanews.com/media/photogallery/1680950.html Nagorno-Karabakh is an unrecognized republic in the Caucasus, officially part of Azerbaijan, but under Armenian control. It can only be accessed through Armenia. UnderstandNagorno-Karabakh is a landlocked region in the South Caucasus, lying between Lower Karabakh and Zangezur and covering the southe astern range of the Lesser Caucasus mountains. The region is mostly mountainous and forested and has an area of 8,223 square kilometres (3,175 mi²). The territory is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan, which has not exercised power over most of the region since 1991. Since the end of the Nagorno-Karabakh War from 1988 to 1994, representatives of the governments of Armenia and Azerbaijan have been holding peace talks mediated by the OSCE Minsk Group on the region's status. On December 10, 1991, as the Soviet Union was collapsing, a referendum was held in the NKAO and the neighbouring Shahumian region. The overwhelming majority of residents voted for independence from Azerbaijan and the establishment of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic but the country remains unrecognised by any UN member [1]. Since the ceasefire in 1994, most of Nagorno-Karabakh and several regions of Azerbaijan around it remain under joint Armenian and Nagorno-Karabakh military control. Representatives of the governments of Armenia and Azerbaijan have since been holding peace talks mediated by the OSCE Minsk Group. According to the US Department of State's travel warning: "As a result of continuing conflict, travelers are cautioned to avoid travel to the region of Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding occupied areas." In spite of that warning, thousands of American and European tourists visit Nagorno Karabakh every year. Armenia and Azerbaijan fight over disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region again www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54323553
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Sept 28, 2020 8:20:36 GMT -7
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Sept 30, 2020 8:54:10 GMT -7
BBC Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict: Azerbaijan president vows to fight on 42 minutes ago
Azerbaijan's president has vowed to fight on until Armenian forces leave disputed territory, on the fourth day of fierce fighting in the region. "We only have one condition: Armenian armed forces must unconditionally, fully, and immediately leave our lands," President Ilham Aliyev said. More than 100 deaths have been reported in the heaviest fighting in years over the Nagorno-Karabakh region. Officially part of Azerbaijan, it is governed by ethnic Armenians. The two former Soviet republics fought a war in 1988-1994 over the territory. Although Armenia backs the self-declared republic it has never officially recognized it.
What are Armenia and Azerbaijan fighting over?
It is unclear what caused the renewed fighting, which is the heaviest since the 1994 ceasefire, and there are growing fears international powers could be dragged into the conflict. On Wednesday French President Emmanuel Macron said he was "extremely concerned by the warlike messages" coming from Turkey, a staunch ally of Azerbaijan. Turkey says it is "fully ready" to help Azerbaijan recover the enclave. Meanwhile, Armenia's defence ministry released a picture of an Armenian SU-25 jet it said had been shot down by a Turkish F-16 on Tuesday. Turkey has rejected the allegation as "cheap propaganda" and Azerbaijan says Armenia is lying about the cause. What's happening on the ground? Dozens of soldiers and some civilians have died since fighting broke out on Sunday. Both sides accused the other of shelling across the so-called Line of Control, separating forces in Nagorno-Karabakh.
On Wednesday, Azerbaijan published footage of what it said was the destruction of two "enemy" tanks and said an Armenian battalion had fled the area around Tonashen. Armenian reports said three civilians had been killed in an Azerbaijani air attack on the town of Martakert in Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenian state news agency Armenpress said seven civilians and 80 service personnel had been killed since the fighting began. Azerbaijan's prosecutor general announced on Wednesday that 14 civilians had been killed and 46 injured.
What's the international situation?
On Wednesday French President Macron warned Turkey about "warlike comments... which essentially remove any inhibitions from Azerbaijan in what would be a reconquest of Nagorno-Karabakh. That we will not accept." Turkey is an ally of Azerbaijan, and even closed its border with Armenia in 1993 in solidarity over the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. France meanwhile has a large expatriate Armenian population. Mr Macron appeared to promise greater support to Armenia in the coming days: "I say to Armenia and to the Armenians, France will play its role."
The country is also a chair of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Minsk Group, created in 1992 to resolve the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
In recent weeks Nato allies France and Turkey have been on opposite sides in a dispute over energy claims in the Eastern Mediterranean. They have also been at odds over the power struggle in Libya.
Turkey has said it will do "what is necessary" to back Azerbaijan, and Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu accused the French president of, in effect, supporting occupation. But there has been international concern that Turkey may back a bigger military operation. Mr Cavusoglu has already said Turkey will support Azerbaijan "both on the field and at the negotiation table" and a presidential aide has spoken of Turkey's commitment "to helping Azerbaijan take back its occupied lands".
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Post by Jaga on Sept 30, 2020 18:21:50 GMT -7
John,
thanks for the update and renewal of the old threat instead of starting the new one. Is it not amazing how the old conflicts are flaring up? Maybe they got bored during the pandemics so now they have to fight.
Russia supports Armenia, Turkey supports Azerbaijan as usual. Old friendships, enemies and friends stay the same according to the historical, religious and cultural bonds.
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Oct 5, 2020 5:25:22 GMT -7
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Oct 7, 2020 6:15:58 GMT -7
Nagorno-Karabakh 'genocide' warning from Armenia PM Nikol Pashinyan
Armenia's prime minister has defended his country's presence in the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh.
www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-54436859
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Post by pieter on Oct 20, 2020 16:56:07 GMT -7
Armenia's President Armen Sarkissian spoke to FRANCE 24 from the capital Yerevan, as the conflict between Azerbaijani and Armenian forces over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh continues to claim civilian lives. Sarkissian accused Azerbaijan of having "started a war" and violating the two recent ceasefires. He also claimed that Turkey "has a completely destructive role" in the conflict and "has added a new dimension to this which doesn't have anything to do with" the aspirations of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh.
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Post by pieter on Oct 20, 2020 17:04:21 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 20, 2020 17:05:52 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 20, 2020 17:17:01 GMT -7
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Post by pieter on Oct 20, 2020 17:17:09 GMT -7
Armenian, Azeri Leaders Spar Over Karabakh
Panel discussion on "An Update on Nagorno-Karabakh"
Nikol Pashinyan (Prime Minister, Republic of Armenia) Ilham Aliyev (President, Republic of Azerbaijan) Moderator: Celeste A. Wallander (President and Chief Executive Officer, The US Russia Foundation)
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