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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 14, 2014 6:42:16 GMT -7
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Post by Nictoshek on Mar 16, 2014 8:54:29 GMT -7
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on Mar 16, 2014 10:49:15 GMT -7
This young lady is Ukrainian
Here she is again - - Katya Buzhynska
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Post by Jaga on Mar 20, 2014 20:13:55 GMT -7
These video remind me this cheesy dance of Polish folk with raunchy girls. She would be a good FoxNews girl for men who needs testosterone boost from watching young sexy girls.
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Post by Nictoshek on May 2, 2014 23:42:27 GMT -7
Concert for Ukrainian defenders:
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Post by pieter on May 3, 2014 8:49:17 GMT -7
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Post by Nictoshek on May 3, 2014 12:30:58 GMT -7
Country might wind up like Syria....with nobody giving a rat's arse.
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Post by karl on May 3, 2014 19:14:05 GMT -7
Country might wind up like Syria....with nobody giving a rat's arse. Nictoe My self to realize for dumping hot coals upon Ukraine with various remarks of "They made their bed, now they must sleep in it". But, this means not of caring, for above previous concentration of bringing into the front of concern with foreign investment at risk with the new government. These are physical things that are to be replaced. The most important consideration is the people, the families at risk. Certainly those of means will get by quite well, not so with the bread and butter folks. For these are those at risk as with their children in observing what the adults are conducting as nonsense, for these children are to inherate tomorrow what is done today. So,,what are these children to use for their model of behavior? Will they use the violence and misconduct as a manner of doing business? Will they so turn their backs upon all that is fine and decent in the Ukraine and create their own model that will be contrary to what we wish for? The above is the reality we must face in dealing with the next generation of Ukrainians. It is not enough to think only in terms of the here and now, but imperative we must think in terms of creating the blue prints of what we wish for tomorrow. For we may not like what we get otherwise. Good will always succeed over evil, but, in doing so, good had best be very very tricky. Karl
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Post by pieter on May 4, 2014 11:27:34 GMT -7
Country might wind up like Syria....with nobody giving a rat's arse. Nicetoe, That is because the majority of the West isn't slavic, and few people have slavic family, cultural and linguistic links like we do. People aren't emotionally, personal connected to the conflict. They see it as a conflict of alien, foreign people, thousands of miles away and do not see the direct connection to their lives. When the conflict will grow larger, more vicious, more bloody and have financial and economical consequences the people and politicians of the West will wake up. But that will probably to late unfortunately. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by karl on May 4, 2014 12:50:56 GMT -7
Country might wind up like Syria....with nobody giving a rat's arse. Nicetoe, That is because the majority of the West isn't slavic, and few people have slavic family, cultural and linguistic links like we do. People aren't emotionally, personal connected to the conflict. They see it as a conflict of alien, foreign people, thousands of miles away and do not see the direct connection to their lives. When the conflict will grow larger, more vicious, more bloody and have financial and economical consequences the people and politicians of the West will wake up. But that will probably to late unfortunately. Cheers, Pieter Pieter You have indeed so, brought in to focus of very cautious approach of the West in regards to intervention into the Ukrainian affair. But then, needs be to understand of the memories of the last war, do we wish to risk what we have today, for the sake of todays Ukraine? My self shant not speak badly of the failures of the past and present that appears to prevails to this date from the past with Ukrainian leadership. But, are we to forsake all that we have today? To play folly with disaster in another war? Just for the sake of a state not even in the EU? Needs be to the Ukrainians to deal with the Russians and for us all to keep our respective military on alert, but not to activate into action our respective forces. If the Americans wish to play John Wayne to rally forth for our part is one solution, but, is this the correct one? Russia is not our enemy, but for many years, a working business partner. The Americans have run out of places to wage war, and with their standing military, the expense of such simply will not justifie the means with no conflict to use them for. But, we do not have that problem, for ours is pulling up our selves to dig our selves out of this still economic situation we have been dealing with for the past few years. If we had the option of the big pond of separation from this possible conflict, then fine. For with most armed conflicts, is a drain upon resources, but, presents many options of activation of additional production to meet the demands of such an armed conflict. This is in the area of demand for workers to fill positions opened by industry for increased production of all manners of support for military requirements. But, we do not have this luxary, for most any armed conflict within the confines of our respective borders, will be upon our heads. Just for the reason of EU membership of various states, will not in self be written in stone they will contribute to the common cause. We have only our selves to provide our own protection with our respective militaries. Trust only is a word, action is real and present. So, shall we see what the answer will be from the Americans for us to use their nuclear weapons they have stored upon our soil? Speaking for my self, and many of us feel the same. I do not agree with war, but, not against it in the manner of self protection. Karl
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Post by pieter on May 4, 2014 13:52:52 GMT -7
Karl, Again you speak as a wise and pragmatic statesman and diplomat. I respect that. It is very difficult for me to take a position in the Ukrainian crisis, because I am not entirely neutral. First of all I think about the Polish interest, the safety of Poland, it's sovereignity, authonomy, freedom and democracy; and thus the independence and prosperity of Poland. The Ukrainian crisis is a great risk for Poland on many fields. There is a problem at Polands Western border. The Ukrainian crisis created a political, financial-economical, diplomatic, military and social-cultural problems for Poland. Poland is a Slavic nation, Ukraine and Russia are slavic nations too. With both peoples, Ukrainians and Russians Poland and the Poles have a troubled past. Poland is strong and independent today and firmly rooted in the EU, NATO, United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), European Economic Area, International Energy Agency, Council of Europe, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, International Atomic Energy Agency, European Space Agency, G6 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G6_(EU) ), Council of the Baltic Sea States, Visegrád Group, Weimar Triangle and Schengen Agreement. The Ukrainian crisis is not only a problem for the Ukrainians and Russians, Ukraine and Russia, it is a problem for the entire region. For Poland, Slovakia and Hungary to the west, Romania and Moldova to the southwest. The Baltic states in the North feel the pressure of Russia too, with their Russian minorities. Germany has borders with Poland, and if Poland is dragged into a regional conflict and invaded in the most extreme scenario, than Germany has a problem and will have to assist Poland as a Military NATO allie, political allie and economical partner. You ask me: " Do we wish to risk what we have today, for the sake of todays Ukraine?" But don't we risk our European safety, peace, prosperity and financial-economical stability on the long term if we do not draw a line. We should be strict to both the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Russia should stop funding and arming the Russian seperatists in Eastern-Ukraine and Southern-Ukraine, or face tough and severe sanctions. It should withdraw it's troops from the Ukrainian border. Ukraine should defend and protect the rights and a certain autonomy of the Russian people in Ukraine, they should be respected as equal and full citizens of Ukraine. The problem is that the situation has gone way out of hand and that the violence and aggression has caused so much anger and grief that is difficult to control the emotions and sentiments of the people. There is hatred, bitterness, rage, resentment, revenge thoughts flow around like rivers of adrenaline or boiling blood, the air is filled with irritations and frustrations and the lack of understanding of the other. 'The other' has killed people of your side. Ukrainians were killed by the Pro-Russian former regime in Kiev and today the Ukrainian army and probably Ukrainian nationalists in Odessa have killed Pro-Russian activists in Odessa and Eastern-Ukraine. The polarization creates a black and white situation of Ukrainian nationalism vs Russian nationalism. There is only the pure Ukrainian identity or the Russian national identity. In Eastern-Ukraine, in Crimea and in Southern-Ukraine ( Odessa) you saw the intolerance towards people of Ukrainian descent who marched with Ukrainian flags. They were attacked, beaten, intimidated and harassed by the Russians in their own country, and vice versa in other area's with an Ukrainian majority. Europe can do little because the EU is politically devided, weak in it's foreign policy, military weak, and no match for the Russians, Ukrainians and Americans. America is the only power, with the largest army in the world and political the most powerful force of all parties in this conflict. The USA should use it's political, diplomatic, financial, economical, military and social-cultural power to the limit. Russia is unimpressed and goes it's way unhindered by nobody (anybody). The fact that Ukraine is transcending into anarchy benefits the Russian Federation. The irritating fact is that nobody dares to confront Russia, because most countries are afraid of Russia. That country with it's mixed Czarist empire and SovjetUnion heritage. Putin's powerply and direction or course is to create a merger of that Czarist and Sovjet heritage. A new Russian identity with the best elements of both former Russian empires. Putin has abandoned the road of communism and socialism and follows the path of Russian nationalism, Russian state capitalism, Russian chauvinism and the social-darwinist approach of ' Survival of the fittest'. If we do nothing and abandon Ukraine, Ukraine will descent into civil war and partly Russian occupation. The Russian Federation will never occupy Western- and Central-Ukraine, because they know that will cause an explosive erruption of Ukrainian Ultra-nationalism. If Russia occupies all of Ukraine, there will be a fierce Ukrainian nationalist insurgency. IRA, ETA, RAF Baader Meinhof, Chechen fighters like circumstances will occur in Ukraine. The Russian armed forces and police troops will have no safe stay in Ukraine, because they will be faced with a hostile population, armed rebellion, sabotage actions and nationalistic and religious (Ukrainian orthodox and Greek Catholic) terrorism ( bomb attacks, machine gun attacks, snipers, targeted killings ( selective assassinations) and etc. The Russians know this already if they remember the Second World War and the first post war years ( 1946-1952). I talk about the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, Ukrayins’ka Povstans’ka Armiya, UPA. Back to my personal or subjective opinion. I am not particulary fond of Ukrainians, nor Russians. But they are a reality for Poland, for Germany, for the Netherlands. We live in a Global, Online and Open borders society. The Russians and Ukrainians are here in Amsterdam, Arnhem, Rotterdam, Groningen, Hamburg, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Frankfurt am Main, München, Vienna ( Wien), Prague, Budapest, Brussels, Paris, London and Warsaw. Russian and Ukrainian Oligarchs, FSB spies, Russian maffia, Russian diplomats, business people, engineers and etc. We have to deal with them if we want it or not. The best way is to take a strong stance, to monitor and control the situation and not to be frightened and not to let ourselves to be intimidated. Russia has to show restraint and back off, and Ukraine has to reform and thus transform itself. Ukrainians and Russians have to learn to coexist and cooperate in the same country as citizens, because everywhere in Ukraine Ukrainians and Russians are present. You can detest or hate the other, but the other won't go away. So you must find a way to coop and coexist with that other. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Nictoshek on May 4, 2014 14:57:46 GMT -7
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on May 6, 2014 8:50:21 GMT -7
7000 year old civilization - - The Trypillian Civilization of Ukraine
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on May 6, 2014 8:54:06 GMT -7
Cucuteni A Civilization Older Than Mesopotamia - Extraordinary Practice of House Burning HD
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Post by JustJohn or JJ on May 6, 2014 9:04:02 GMT -7
Ukraine - The birth of a nation part 1
Ukraine - The birth of a nation part 2
Ukraine - The birth of a nation part 3
Ukraine - The birth of a nation part 4
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